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widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-17 22:11 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2020-08-17 16:30 -0400
Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:27 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2020-08-17 13:33 -0700
Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:24 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2020-08-21 14:47 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-17 21:52 +0100
Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:22 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 14:10 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-17 22:33 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 15:13 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 11:33 +0200
Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:20 +0200
Re: widening multiplication scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-17 21:38 +0000
Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:19 +0200
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 11:31 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 05:00 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 15:10 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-18 12:31 +0000
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 15:15 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 06:53 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 16:14 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 07:24 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 22:41 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 14:24 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-18 22:54 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 15:18 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 15:54 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 15:38 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 07:03 +0000
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 09:24 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 02:13 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 10:43 +0000
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 12:50 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 07:30 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 07:44 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 17:35 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 10:13 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 14:30 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:07 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 22:13 +0000
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:49 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 11:31 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 03:47 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 13:21 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-20 08:20 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 09:51 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 02:51 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-21 11:44 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 12:17 +0100
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 13:36 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 13:15 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 11:04 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-21 08:30 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 13:32 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-21 12:46 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 07:43 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 16:13 +0100
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 20:15 +0200
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 20:14 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 16:37 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 15:38 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 01:02 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 04:57 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 16:11 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 08:46 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 18:33 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 13:44 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:48 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 21:45 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 05:20 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 10:16 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 08:59 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:04 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 13:59 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 23:01 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-08-23 07:42 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 22:12 +0100
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 13:31 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 04:53 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 14:22 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 06:47 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 16:25 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 07:42 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-24 09:10 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 02:06 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-23 13:10 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 16:16 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 22:02 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 18:14 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 14:27 +0200
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-21 05:58 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 19:15 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 16:48 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-19 23:39 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:51 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:56 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 16:04 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-19 18:04 -0700
Re: widening multiplication antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-08-20 00:13 +0000
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 10:06 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Stef <stef33d@yahooI-N-V-A-L-I-D.com.invalid> - 2020-08-20 11:26 +0200
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 13:25 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 07:41 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 15:08 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 10:29 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 17:41 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 13:34 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 20:21 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 15:16 -0700
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 09:32 +0200
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-18 11:11 -0400
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 22:45 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 20:17 +0200
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-19 15:20 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 20:59 +0000
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-19 17:28 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-19 22:43 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2020-08-19 21:38 +0200
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 21:47 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 12:24 +0200
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-20 08:14 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 14:20 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 10:39 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 15:55 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:30 +0200
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-22 05:09 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 17:15 +0200
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:06 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 19:06 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 20:28 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 01:36 +0200
Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 18:15 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 11:16 +0200
Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 21:05 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:45 -0700
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-22 11:47 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 10:21 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-22 16:18 +0100
Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:16 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-23 04:38 +0000
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-23 08:22 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-24 03:00 +0000
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-23 23:54 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-24 06:19 +0000
Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-24 09:45 -0400
Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-24 14:47 +0000
Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 12:14 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 08:40 -0700
Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-26 18:06 +0000
Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 17:55 +0200
Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-23 17:38 +0100
Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 13:15 -0700
Re: widening multiplication rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2020-08-23 08:03 -0700
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 04:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20200822212226.239@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #153852 |
On 2020-08-22, Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Gcc is wrong. > >> GCC does it per the spec. int * int yields int > > No, it yields long since long is always twice as large as int > and can hold the result of a multiplication of two ints. This > is what the standard says !!! You people do realize that this is *not* actually trolling, right? It simply doesn't meet any reasonable, workable definition. This is, in a sense, is a kind of opposite of trolling. A troll manages to convince a good many people that he or she is sincere (believes what they write). This post instantly convinces me that the writer behind "Daniel Hyde" is doing nothing other than generating amusement by inventing falsehoolds which predictably provoke lengthy technical refutations from some c.l.c long timers.
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 08:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rhtn30$p7v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153930 |
On 8/23/20 12:38 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2020-08-22, Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Gcc is wrong. >> >>> GCC does it per the spec. int * int yields int >> >> No, it yields long since long is always twice as large as int >> and can hold the result of a multiplication of two ints. This >> is what the standard says !!! > > You people do realize that this is *not* actually trolling, right? No, I don't. > It simply doesn't meet any reasonable, workable definition. It meets precisely definition #2 under <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Noun_2> > This is, in a sense, is a kind of opposite of trolling. A troll manages > to convince a good many people that he or she is sincere (believes what > they write). It doesn't matter to a troll whether you respond out of the belief that there's a possibility that he might have been sincerely mistaken (which the reason for most of my replies to Daniel Hyde), or to criticize them for being a troll. The only result that disappoints a troll is no response at all. > This post instantly convinces me that the writer behind "Daniel Hyde" > is doing nothing other than generating amusement by inventing > falsehoolds which predictably provoke lengthy technical refutations from > some c.l.c long timers. That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the noun better, look at the corresponding verb: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait.
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 03:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20200823182120.305@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #153953 |
On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: > That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the > noun better, look at the corresponding verb: ><https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was > originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material > is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. I'm just moving the "troalposts" a little bit to a reasonable place.
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 23:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rhvdm1$5qg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153976 |
On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. > > My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in > falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it.
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| From | Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 06:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrk6mvi.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> |
| In reply to | #153977 |
On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: > On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. >> >> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in >> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. > > I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the > belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it. All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 09:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ri0gam$ci5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153982 |
On 8/24/20 2:19 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: >> On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >>> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >>>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >>>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >>>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >>>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. >>> >>> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in >>> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. >> >> I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the >> belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it. > > All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly > being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt. I no longer have any doubt that Scott Newman and Daniel Hyde both deliberately posts blatantly incorrect statements for the sole purpose of disrupting this group by either misleading newbies or prompting experts to waste their time correcting his errors. Do you? I gave Daniel Hyde the benefit of the doubt when he actually bothered responding to one criticism, even though I has strong doubts about whether he was really redeemable, but only because it is my policy to give people some limited opportunities to correct a bad impression they've made on me. Bonita, on the other hand, appears to merely be someone with strong and incorrect ideas who pays no attention to counter arguments other than to rudely dismiss them. She's obnoxious, and I'd be glad see her obnoxiousness disappear (whether or not she herself disappears), but I don't call her a troll.
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 14:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20200824073949.746@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #153989 |
On 2020-08-24, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: > On 8/24/20 2:19 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: >>> On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >>>> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>>>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >>>>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >>>>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >>>>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >>>>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. >>>> >>>> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in >>>> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. >>> >>> I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the >>> belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it. >> >> All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly >> being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt. > > I no longer have any doubt that Scott Newman and Daniel Hyde both > deliberately posts blatantly incorrect statements for the sole purpose > of disrupting this group by either misleading newbies or prompting > experts to waste their time correcting his errors. Do you? "Someone is misleading newbies in a newsgroup, and, damn it, I'm not just going to sand idly by while that happens!" Come on. First of all, what newbies. There probably isn't anyone here with less than 20 years of C experience. Maybe there should be a c.l.c bot that automatically follows up to those idiot posts with a canned one-liner containing a link to an informational page.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 12:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ri13ic$1qo9$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #153990 |
On 8/24/2020 7:47 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2020-08-24, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >> On 8/24/20 2:19 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >>> On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: >>>> On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >>>>> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>>>>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >>>>>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >>>>>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >>>>>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >>>>>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. >>>>> >>>>> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in >>>>> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. >>>> >>>> I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the >>>> belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it. >>> >>> All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly >>> being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt. >> >> I no longer have any doubt that Scott Newman and Daniel Hyde both >> deliberately posts blatantly incorrect statements for the sole purpose >> of disrupting this group by either misleading newbies or prompting >> experts to waste their time correcting his errors. Do you? > > "Someone is misleading newbies in a newsgroup, and, damn it, > I'm not just going to sand idly by while that happens!" > > Come on. First of all, what newbies. There probably isn't anyone here > with less than 20 years of C experience. > > Maybe there should be a c.l.c bot that automatically follows up > to those idiot posts with a canned one-liner containing a link to > an informational page. > C_Sarcasta_Bot version 0.0.1. ;^)
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| From | Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-24 08:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87h7ss3vcv.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> |
| In reply to | #153989 |
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> On 8/24/20 2:19 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote:
>>> On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the
>>>>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb:
>>>>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was
>>>>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material
>>>>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait.
>>>>
>>>> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in
>>>> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling.
>>>
>>> I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the
>>> belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it.
>>
>> All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly
>> being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt.
>
> I no longer have any doubt that Scott Newman and Daniel Hyde both
> deliberately posts blatantly incorrect statements for the sole purpose
> of disrupting this group by either misleading newbies or prompting
> experts to waste their time correcting his errors. Do you?
>
> I gave Daniel Hyde the benefit of the doubt when he actually bothered
> responding to one criticism, even though I has strong doubts about
> whether he was really redeemable, but only because it is my policy to
> give people some limited opportunities to correct a bad impression
> they've made on me.
>
> Bonita, on the other hand, appears to merely be someone with strong and
> incorrect ideas who pays no attention to counter arguments other than to
> rudely dismiss them. She's obnoxious, and I'd be glad see her
> obnoxiousness disappear (whether or not she herself disappears), but I
> don't call her a troll.
And I'm sure that they're all *delighted* that we're spending time
arguing about the definition of "troll". Let's not.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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| From | Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-26 18:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrkd962.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> |
| In reply to | #153989 |
On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: > On 8/24/20 2:19 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> On Mon, 2020-08-24, James Kuyper wrote: >>> On 8/23/20 11:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >>>> On 2020-08-23, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>>>> That is precisely the original definition of a troll. To understand the >>>>> noun better, look at the corresponding verb: >>>>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Verb>, definition #8. It was >>>>> originally derived from definition #4, where the inflammatory material >>>>> is metaphorically considered to be a kind of bait. >>>> >>>> My point is that if the people being baited are complete idiots in >>>> falling for it, then it isn't not True Scotsman's trolling. >>> >>> I have to disagree - nothing is more typical of a true troll than the >>> belief that their victims are idiots for falling for it. >> >> All this is a minor disagreement IMHO, given that people are regularly >> being called trolls, when their intention is obviously not to disrupt. > > I no longer have any doubt that Scott Newman and Daniel Hyde both > deliberately posts blatantly incorrect statements for the sole purpose > of disrupting this group by either misleading newbies or prompting > experts to waste their time correcting his errors. Do you? No. > I gave Daniel Hyde the benefit of the doubt when he actually bothered > responding to one criticism, even though I has strong doubts about > whether he was really redeemable, but only because it is my policy to > give people some limited opportunities to correct a bad impression > they've made on me. > > Bonita, on the other hand, appears to merely be someone with strong and > incorrect ideas who pays no attention to counter arguments other than to > rudely dismiss them. She's obnoxious, and I'd be glad see her > obnoxiousness disappear (whether or not she herself disappears), but I > don't call her a troll. We agree. My point was just that some people (not you) regularly call BM (and Rick, and so on) a troll -- although they are simply wrong[1] and rude. /Jorgen [1] Not always, but much of the time. -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| From | Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 17:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rhu3gq$1qpe$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #153930 |
I'm not a troll. F.e. uint32_t * uint32_t yields uint64_t. Why should this be different; no smaller type could hold the result.
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 17:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <SXw0H.1028357$SG4.146275@fx27.am4> |
| In reply to | #153968 |
On 23/08/2020 16:55, Daniel Hyde wrote: > I'm not a troll. > F.e. uint32_t * uint32_t yields uint64_t. > Why should this be different; no smaller type could hold the result. It depends on the values. If you multiply 2 by 3 to get 6, for example, then clearly 6 fits into uint32_t. And probably the vast majority of u32*u32 in bug-free code will have a result in the range of u32.
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| From | Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 13:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87sgci8ka1.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> |
| In reply to | #153762 |
Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> writes:
>> Gcc generates a 32 bit multiplication, discarding any result that
>> overflows, then widens the possibly truncated result to 64 bits.
>> Lcc-win generates a 64 bit multiplication.
>
> Gcc is wrong.
Context:
1 long long fn(int a,int b)
2 {
3 long long result = a * b;
4 return result;
5 }
How is gcc wrong? (Hint: It isn't.)
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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| From | rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2020-08-23 08:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0929be3f-e99d-4662-a063-4b9caa9cc697o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #153691 |
On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 4:11:56 PM UTC-4, jacobnavia wrote:
> Consider this:
>
> 1 long long fn(int a,int b)
> 2 {
> 3 long long result = a * b;
> 4 return result;
> 5 }
>
>
> Gcc generates a 32 bit multiplication, discarding any result that
> overflows, then widens the possibly truncated result to 64 bits.
>
> Lcc-win generates a 64 bit multiplication.
>
> Am I doing something wrong what the standard is concerned?
>
> Thanks in advance.
Jacob, since you have source code to lcc-win, provide an instrumentation
mode which first conducts every integer expression in floating point.
That way you can find the bounding expressions. The user will run test
data through it, recording the results on many samples. Then, use that
data for the next compile to determine when to upsize, and optionally,
which parts of the expression to upsize.
You can also auto-upsize one step beyond the instrumentation to be safe.
C/C++ are designed to be as efficient as possible, but there are needs
beyond efficiency. I see no issue adding in support for those other
needs, including exactness at the expense of performance.
Look at the MAPM arbitrary precision library. Maybe add bi and bfp types
for arbitrary precision integer and floating point.
Peace, my French compadré. :-)
--
Rick C. Hodgin
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