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Experimental C Build System

Started bybart <bc@freeuk.com>
First post2024-01-29 16:03 +0000
Last post2024-02-12 02:18 +0000
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  Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-29 16:03 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-30 00:57 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 17:38 -0800
        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 09:06 +0100
          Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 15:23 -0800
            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 08:36 +0100
              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 19:12 -0800
          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-31 00:44 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 01:45 +0000
        Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 04:46 +0000
          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 11:52 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 16:50 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 17:57 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-30 19:22 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-31 16:41 +0000
                  Re: Experimental C Build System vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-31 19:01 +0000
                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-31 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 09:39 +0100
                      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 11:31 +0000
                        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 16:11 +0100
                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 17:33 +0000
                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 18:34 +0000
                            Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-01 22:23 +0200
                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 20:55 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:10 -0800
                              Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 22:38 +0100
                                Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-02 00:55 +0200
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:31 +0000
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 02:08 +0000
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 09:02 +0100
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-02 15:28 +0200
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 15:49 +0100
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-02 16:53 +0200
                                          Stu Feldman (Was: Experimental C Build System) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-02 16:29 +0000
                                            Re: Stu Feldman (Was: Experimental C Build System) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 17:29 +0000
                                              Re: Stu Feldman (Was: Experimental C Build System) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-04 05:44 +0100
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 13:47 +0000
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 15:57 +0100
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 15:18 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 17:44 +0000
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 18:26 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 05:45 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-03 21:24 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 13:19 +0100
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 21:42 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 22:12 +0000
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 01:29 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 12:02 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 12:25 -0800
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 06:47 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 19:52 -0800
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 19:58 -0800
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 05:52 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-03 14:52 +0100
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 14:59 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 06:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 11:08 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 15:44 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 16:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 17:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 13:29 +0100
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 12:31 -0800
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 22:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 16:24 -0800
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 01:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 17:51 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2024-02-04 14:07 +1100
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:01 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 04:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 21:36 -0800
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 21:41 -0800
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 13:44 +0100
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 15:50 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 18:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 14:52 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2024-02-05 17:57 +0100
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 09:17 -0800
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-05 19:11 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 12:29 -0800
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 06:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 14:51 -0800
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-03 21:15 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 21:39 +0000
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 14:23 +0100
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 13:48 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 14:16 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-03 18:17 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 20:12 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-02-04 16:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 14:08 -0800
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-04 18:22 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 13:53 +0100
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 14:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 18:36 +0100
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 22:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 23:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 15:32 -0800
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-02-05 17:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 18:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-05 18:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:25 -0800
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-05 21:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:40 -0800
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 22:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 14:39 -0800
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 22:47 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-06 00:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-05 19:16 +0000
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 00:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 16:10 -0800
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-05 10:41 -0600
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 18:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-06 23:41 -0600
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 09:56 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 11:10 +0000
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-02-07 11:13 +0000
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 11:05 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2024-02-07 23:46 +1100
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 15:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-07 14:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-07 10:11 -0600
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 21:53 +0100
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 14:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 16:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 17:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System [Ben] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 22:50 -0600
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 09:40 +0000
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 11:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 12:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 16:35 +0100
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 16:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 21:24 +0100
                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 16:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-02-08 17:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-08 17:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-08 17:25 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 23:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-08 17:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 21:30 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 00:58 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 01:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-09 01:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 01:27 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 01:30 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 10:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 13:16 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 02:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 15:49 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 17:13 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:24 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 10:34 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 21:56 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 23:12 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 23:47 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 00:28 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 15:41 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 23:53 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 00:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 16:33 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 02:26 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 02:47 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-10 20:17 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-10 20:09 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-10 19:51 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-09 18:25 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 20:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:06 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 13:15 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 22:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-10 15:24 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:04 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 09:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-08 17:15 +0000
                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 23:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 15:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-07 19:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:44 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 15:30 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-07 10:12 -0600
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 08:40 -0800
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-07 12:24 -0600
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-05 01:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:17 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:41 -0800
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:46 -0800
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-05 06:48 -0800
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 11:20 -0800
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:33 -0800
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-05 21:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 23:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 15:41 -0800
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-06 01:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-06 00:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-05 06:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 22:46 -0800
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 15:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-05 13:02 +0100
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 14:50 +0000
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-05 22:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 23:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-06 00:16 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 14:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 14:40 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-06 16:59 +0000
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 19:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-06 20:32 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 20:34 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-06 20:49 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-06 13:07 -0800
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 21:39 +0000
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-07 15:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 20:48 +0000
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 21:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 23:15 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 23:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-08 01:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 01:34 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-02-08 01:50 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 02:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-07 22:48 +0100
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 23:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-06 21:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 21:43 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-08 17:23 -0800
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-07 00:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-07 02:18 +0000
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-07 04:21 +0100
                                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-07 07:17 +0000
                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-07 12:59 +0100
                                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2024-02-07 23:53 +1100
                                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-07 15:45 +0200
                                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2024-02-08 12:56 +1100
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-08 17:22 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-06 00:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-06 10:08 +0100
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 11:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:03 +0000
                            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 22:34 +0100
                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 22:29 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:28 -0800
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 01:03 +0000
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 17:42 -0800
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 02:43 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 19:03 -0800
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 10:54 +0100
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 21:16 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 16:09 -0800
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 01:32 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-03 02:36 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 00:53 -0800
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 13:51 -0800
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-02-03 17:56 -0500
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-04 07:52 -0800
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-04 06:18 -0800
                                Re: Experimental C Build System tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-02-02 03:22 +0100
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 11:13 +0000
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2024-02-03 00:25 +1100
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 13:29 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 10:47 +0100
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-02 15:45 +0200
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 16:26 +0100
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 14:39 +0100
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-03 16:26 +0100
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 17:11 +0100
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-06 13:59 +0200
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-06 13:14 +0100
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-06 14:32 +0200
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-06 14:16 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-06 17:02 +0100
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-06 20:31 +0000
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 14:14 +0000
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-02 16:43 +0200
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 15:18 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-02-02 20:43 +0100
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 20:16 +0000
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 16:31 +0100
                                      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 17:00 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 17:31 +0000
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 10:36 -0800
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 19:52 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 20:21 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 21:09 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 13:15 -0800
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 15:13 +0100
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 21:23 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 21:51 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 01:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 12:16 +0000
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-03 17:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 19:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-02-03 21:57 +0100
                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 18:48 +0100
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 20:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-04 20:55 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-02-07 02:57 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 03:18 +0000
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 15:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 15:48 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 16:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: Experimental C Build System vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-02-08 00:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 21:59 +0100
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 09:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-07 10:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 15:37 +0100
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 22:51 +0100
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 23:11 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-05 13:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-05 14:59 +0100
                                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-05 15:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 11:25 -0800
                                                                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-05 22:46 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-05 14:43 +0000
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 22:42 +0000
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 14:53 -0800
                                                          Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 14:02 -0800
                                                            Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-05 10:48 -0600
                                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 17:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-05 11:36 -0600
                                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 14:04 -0800
                                        Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 18:54 +0000
                                          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 06:04 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 22:13 -0800
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 06:43 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 00:02 -0800
                                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 08:47 +0000
                                            Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-03 06:30 +0000
                                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 11:17 +0000
                                                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 14:02 -0800
                                      [meta] Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-03 15:04 +0100
                                        Re: [meta] Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 07:19 -0800
                                          Re: [meta] Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-04 05:29 +0100
                                            Re: [meta] Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 05:37 +0000
                                    Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 16:26 +0000
                              Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:30 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 11:05 +0100
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 21:18 +0000
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 15:50 +0000
                              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 00:26 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 00:35 +0000
                                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 11:13 +0100
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 10:54 +0000
                                  Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 14:15 +0000
                              Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 01:46 +0100
                      Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-01 16:20 +0000
                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 21:34 +0000
                    Re: Experimental C Build System Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-01 16:09 +0000
                      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 17:32 +0000
                        Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 19:25 +0000
                          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 19:51 +0000
                            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 12:12 -0800
                              Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 12:43 -0800
                            Re: Experimental C Build System Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-01 22:36 +0200
                      Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 23:09 +0100
                        Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:32 +0000
                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 21:17 +0000
                    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 09:48 +0100
                      Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 11:49 -0800
                        Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 21:39 +0000
                          Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:24 -0800
                            Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:38 +0000
                              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-01 23:53 +0000
                        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 23:14 +0100
        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 09:17 +0100
          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 12:09 +0000
          Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 15:25 -0800
            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 17:50 -0800
          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 03:14 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 20:38 -0800
          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:46 +0000
          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 14:06 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-05 14:48 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 15:23 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-30 16:46 -0800
      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 03:13 +0000
        Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-31 03:23 +0000
          Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 08:47 +0100
            Re: Experimental C Build System Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 11:02 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 15:31 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:13 +0000
                  Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 23:00 +0000
                    Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 00:29 +0000
                      Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 03:07 +0000
                        Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 15:00 +0000
                          Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:40 +0000
                    system(3) (was: Re: Experimental C Build System) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-02-01 08:15 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 00:33 +0000
                    Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:11 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 14:55 +0100
              Re: Experimental C Build System Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 14:42 +0100
        Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-31 12:19 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 14:29 +0000
        Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 16:43 +0100
        Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 01:05 -0800
          Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 11:54 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 07:17 -0800
              Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 15:54 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 16:05 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 12:39 -0800
              Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-03 22:19 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:56 -0800
                Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 20:57 -0800
    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-31 20:36 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System thiago <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 20:36 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-08 13:50 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System thiago <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 20:42 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 02:18 +0000

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#381976

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-02-07 14:21 +0000
Message-ID<uq03ln$1f2sh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381975
On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>
>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>> system of a distro.
>>>
>>> Wait really?
>>
>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to 
>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other 
>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up 
>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>
> 
> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche 
> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
> 
> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools 
> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, 
> or small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple 
> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not 
> included by default in the installation.
> 
> 

I've tried a fair number. The ones that used to come CDs for you to boot 
on a Windows PC. Ones installed on one or two crummy Linux notebooks. 
The ones you downloaded to use with Virtual Box. The various versions 
you downloaded and burned into an SD drive to plug into RPIs. And mostly 
recently the ones that come with WSL.

I think pretty much all of them that I remember came with a C compiler.

So it is easy to make the assumption that gcc is always available.

But isn't this also supposed to be one big advantage of Linux over 
Windows that this stuff is built-in?

 > Installing the tools is usually very simple
 > ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent),

Is 'apt-get' always available?

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#381991

Fromcandycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
Date2024-02-07 10:11 -0600
Message-ID<uq0a3m$1g2qa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381976
On 2/7/24 08:21, bart wrote:
> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the 
>>>>> base
>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>
>>>> Wait really?
>>>
>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to 
>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other 
>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up 
>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>
>>
>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche 
>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>
>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools 
>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, 
>> or small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple 
>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not 
>> included by default in the installation.
>>
>>
> 
> I've tried a fair number. The ones that used to come CDs for you to boot 
> on a Windows PC. Ones installed on one or two crummy Linux notebooks. 
> The ones you downloaded to use with Virtual Box. The various versions 
> you downloaded and burned into an SD drive to plug into RPIs. And mostly 
> recently the ones that come with WSL.
> 
> I think pretty much all of them that I remember came with a C compiler.
> 
> So it is easy to make the assumption that gcc is always available.
> 
> But isn't this also supposed to be one big advantage of Linux over 
> Windows that this stuff is built-in?
> 
>  > Installing the tools is usually very simple
>  > ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent),
> 
> Is 'apt-get' always available?

It depends on the distro. apt is exclusive to Debian/Ubuntu. Other 
distros do have their own package managers though.
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#382020

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-07 20:46 +0000
Message-ID<uq0q6p$1j15l$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381976
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:21:44 +0000, bart wrote:

> The ones that used to come CDs for you to boot 
> on a Windows PC.

Those would be “live CDs”. They might be trying to cater to a wider 
audience, of both techy and non techy types.

Normal distro installers can assume the user is non-techy, and set up 
defaults accordingly, since the techy ones would know how to ask for more.

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#382024

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-07 21:53 +0100
Message-ID<uq0qkf$1j1v4$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381976
On 07/02/2024 15:21, bart wrote:
> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the 
>>>>> base
>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>
>>>> Wait really?
>>>
>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to 
>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other 
>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up 
>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>
>>
>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche 
>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>
>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools 
>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, 
>> or small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple 
>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not 
>> included by default in the installation.
>>
>>
> 
> I've tried a fair number. The ones that used to come CDs for you to boot 
> on a Windows PC. Ones installed on one or two crummy Linux notebooks. 
> The ones you downloaded to use with Virtual Box. The various versions 
> you downloaded and burned into an SD drive to plug into RPIs. And mostly 
> recently the ones that come with WSL.
> 
> I think pretty much all of them that I remember came with a C compiler.
> 
> So it is easy to make the assumption that gcc is always available.
> 
> But isn't this also supposed to be one big advantage of Linux over 
> Windows that this stuff is built-in?

No, but it is all very easily available.  I don't know of any distros 
that don't have an easy way to install a C compiler.

> 
>  > Installing the tools is usually very simple
>  > ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent),
> 
> Is 'apt-get' always available?

It is on any Debian-based distros.  There are plenty of other package 
managers, with different details in their commands (and the names of 
packages), which is why I wrote "or equivalent".

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#381979

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-07 14:54 +0000
Message-ID<uq05ip$1fdph$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381975
On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>
>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>> system of a distro.
>>>
>>> Wait really?
>>
>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to 
>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other 
>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up 
>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>
> 
> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche 
> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
> 
> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools 
> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, 
> or small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple 
> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not 
> included by default in the installation.
> 
> 
I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never 
remember being given an option to not install gcc. It might be buried 
away somewhere. Whilst there is embedded Linux, which is a rather 
different matter, I've never seen a "normal user" distribution. Since as 
you say there are hundreds than they might exist. But the regular 
distributions are so easy to find that I'd be sceptical that a normal 
user would obtain a "normal user" one.
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#381994

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-02-07 16:15 +0000
Message-ID<874jektfn0.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#381979
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>
>>>> Wait really?
>>>
>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>
>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>> included by default in the installation.
>> 
> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
> remember being given an option to not install gcc.

Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?

-- 
Ben.

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#382001

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-02-07 17:34 +0000
Message-ID<87ttmkrxdv.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#381994
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>
>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>
>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>> included by default in the installation.
>>> 
>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>
> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?

Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
here?

-- 
Ben.

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#382074 — Re: Experimental C Build System [Ben]

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-07 22:50 -0600
SubjectRe: Experimental C Build System [Ben]
Message-ID<uq1mhr$1r247$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382001
On 2/7/2024 11:34 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> 
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>>
>>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>>> included by default in the installation.
>>>>
>>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>>
>> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
>> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?
> 
> Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
> here?
> 

Glad to see that you are not dead.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#382082

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-08 09:40 +0000
Message-ID<uq27ig$1tcfa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382001
On 07/02/2024 17:34, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> 
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>>
>>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>>> included by default in the installation.
>>>>
>>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>>
>> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
>> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?
> 
> Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
> here?
> 
Me. Yes sorry.
I've lost Google groups. Thunderbird has a "reply" button whch means 
"email" and its too easy to press "reply" if you're not terribly used to 
it. I did that to KT as well and he wondered why I was replying via email.
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#382091

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-02-08 11:55 +0000
Message-ID<877cjfrx0p.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#382082
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On 07/02/2024 17:34, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>> 
>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>>>> included by default in the installation.
>>>>>
>>>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>>>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>>>
>>> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
>>> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?
>> Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
>> here?
>> 
> Me. Yes sorry.
> I've lost Google groups. Thunderbird has a "reply" button whch means
> "email" and its too easy to press "reply" if you're not terribly used to
> it. I did that to KT as well and he wondered why I was replying via
> email.

An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
trivial to add build tools later).

-- 
Ben.

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#382098

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-08 12:32 +0000
Message-ID<uq2hkf$1v9f9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382091
On 08/02/2024 11:55, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 07/02/2024 17:34, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>>>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>>>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>>>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>>>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>>>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>>>>> included by default in the installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>>>>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>>>>
>>>> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
>>>> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?
>>> Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
>>> here?
>>>
>> Me. Yes sorry.
>> I've lost Google groups. Thunderbird has a "reply" button whch means
>> "email" and its too easy to press "reply" if you're not terribly used to
>> it. I did that to KT as well and he wondered why I was replying via
>> email.
> 
> An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
> that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
> trivial to add build tools later).
> 
Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions 
aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since 
discarded, and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember is 
"Ubuntu". You take what is usually an old machine which has come to the 
end of its useful life as Windows computer, but still has a bit of kick 
in it and can become a Linux box. So I try to go for a lightweight 
distribution which won't stress it out. It chugs through and gives an 
install. And don't think there is any tick box or option which says 
"don't install gcc". Now other people have said I'm wrong about this, 
and of course as programmer I need gcc and wouldn't be interested in 
that tick box anyway. But I'm pretty sure you do get gcc by default and 
if you had to take special action I would have remembered it.
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#382107

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-08 16:35 +0100
Message-ID<uq2sbl$213ok$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382098
On 08/02/2024 13:32, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 11:55, Ben Bacarisse wrote:

>> An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
>> that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
>> trivial to add build tools later).
>>
> Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions 
> aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since 
> discarded, and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember is 
> "Ubuntu". You take what is usually an old machine which has come to the 
> end of its useful life as Windows computer, but still has a bit of kick 
> in it and can become a Linux box. So I try to go for a lightweight 
> distribution which won't stress it out. It chugs through and gives an 
> install. And don't think there is any tick box or option which says 
> "don't install gcc". Now other people have said I'm wrong about this, 
> and of course as programmer I need gcc and wouldn't be interested in 
> that tick box anyway. But I'm pretty sure you do get gcc by default and 
> if you had to take special action I would have remembered it.

If you install Ubuntu desktop, then it might have gcc by default (it's a 
long time since I've used "pure" Ubuntu).  Other distributions may be 
different.

People who use Linux as their preferred system usually pick their 
distributions with a bit of care and thought, and use it on appropriate 
computers.  While it is certainly true that an old and outdated Windows 
machine can be given new life when the Windows installation is scraped 
and replaced by Linux, for developers using Linux it is normally an 
active choice.  The last three main development machines I have had at 
work have never had Windows on them - they were bought for Linux, and 
used only with Linux.

Basically, what you are saying is that your entire Linux experience is a 
few installations long ago, to briefly play around with it on throw-away 
machines.  And you think that is sufficient to insist that /you/ know 
details when actual long-term Linux users tell you differently?

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#382117

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-08 16:31 +0000
Message-ID<uq2vkj$21qi0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382107
On 08/02/2024 15:35, David Brown wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 13:32, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 08/02/2024 11:55, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> 
>>> An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
>>> that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
>>> trivial to add build tools later).
>>>
>> Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions 
>> aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since 
>> discarded, and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember is 
>> "Ubuntu". You take what is usually an old machine which has come to 
>> the end of its useful life as Windows computer, but still has a bit of 
>> kick in it and can become a Linux box. So I try to go for a 
>> lightweight distribution which won't stress it out. It chugs through 
>> and gives an install. And don't think there is any tick box or option 
>> which says "don't install gcc". Now other people have said I'm wrong 
>> about this, and of course as programmer I need gcc and wouldn't be 
>> interested in that tick box anyway. But I'm pretty sure you do get gcc 
>> by default and if you had to take special action I would have 
>> remembered it.
> 
> If you install Ubuntu desktop, then it might have gcc by default (it's a 
> long time since I've used "pure" Ubuntu).  Other distributions may be 
> different.
> 
> People who use Linux as their preferred system usually pick their 
> distributions with a bit of care and thought, and use it on appropriate 
> computers.  While it is certainly true that an old and outdated Windows 
> machine can be given new life when the Windows installation is scraped 
> and replaced by Linux, for developers using Linux it is normally an 
> active choice.  The last three main development machines I have had at 
> work have never had Windows on them - they were bought for Linux, and 
> used only with Linux.
> 
> Basically, what you are saying is that your entire Linux experience is a 
> few installations long ago, to briefly play around with it on throw-away 
> machines.  And you think that is sufficient to insist that /you/ know 
> details when actual long-term Linux users tell you differently?
> 
Baby X was developed for Linux. I've used it seriously and not just 
played around. But whilst I've been given powerful Linux machines to use 
at university, I've never felt the need for a powerful Linux system for 
hobby use. But you can run a lot of extremely interesting programs on 
fairly low powered machines.
I don't often install Linux. Usually only when I retire a Windows 
machine, though I have tried virtual Linux installations under Windows. 
Sadly this doesn't work well. I don't have no experience at all. Because 
of the realities of UK economic life, whilst I can easily afford to buy 
a second computer I can't easily afford to buy a bigger house, and I've 
only got room for one computer, and I find I can't work on laptops. So 
whilst I have a Linux machine, it's not currently set up and usable.
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#382135

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-08 21:24 +0100
Message-ID<uq3d9j$247ke$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382117
On 08/02/2024 17:31, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 15:35, David Brown wrote:
>> On 08/02/2024 13:32, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 08/02/2024 11:55, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>>>> An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
>>>> that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
>>>> trivial to add build tools later).
>>>>
>>> Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions 
>>> aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since 
>>> discarded, and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember 
>>> is "Ubuntu". You take what is usually an old machine which has come 
>>> to the end of its useful life as Windows computer, but still has a 
>>> bit of kick in it and can become a Linux box. So I try to go for a 
>>> lightweight distribution which won't stress it out. It chugs through 
>>> and gives an install. And don't think there is any tick box or option 
>>> which says "don't install gcc". Now other people have said I'm wrong 
>>> about this, and of course as programmer I need gcc and wouldn't be 
>>> interested in that tick box anyway. But I'm pretty sure you do get 
>>> gcc by default and if you had to take special action I would have 
>>> remembered it.
>>
>> If you install Ubuntu desktop, then it might have gcc by default (it's 
>> a long time since I've used "pure" Ubuntu).  Other distributions may 
>> be different.
>>
>> People who use Linux as their preferred system usually pick their 
>> distributions with a bit of care and thought, and use it on 
>> appropriate computers.  While it is certainly true that an old and 
>> outdated Windows machine can be given new life when the Windows 
>> installation is scraped and replaced by Linux, for developers using 
>> Linux it is normally an active choice.  The last three main 
>> development machines I have had at work have never had Windows on them 
>> - they were bought for Linux, and used only with Linux.
>>
>> Basically, what you are saying is that your entire Linux experience is 
>> a few installations long ago, to briefly play around with it on 
>> throw-away machines.  And you think that is sufficient to insist that 
>> /you/ know details when actual long-term Linux users tell you 
>> differently?
>>
> Baby X was developed for Linux. I've used it seriously and not just 
> played around. But whilst I've been given powerful Linux machines to use 
> at university, I've never felt the need for a powerful Linux system for 
> hobby use. But you can run a lot of extremely interesting programs on 
> fairly low powered machines.

Certainly you can.

> I don't often install Linux. Usually only when I retire a Windows 
> machine, though I have tried virtual Linux installations under Windows. 
> Sadly this doesn't work well. I don't have no experience at all. Because 
> of the realities of UK economic life, whilst I can easily afford to buy 
> a second computer I can't easily afford to buy a bigger house, and I've 
> only got room for one computer, and I find I can't work on laptops. So 
> whilst I have a Linux machine, it's not currently set up and usable.

OK.

Of course it is completely up to you what you use, and how you use it. 
But it is wrong to view /your/ ways of doing things as though they are 
the "normal" way.  You can freely install Linux on an older machine and 
use Windows on newer ones, and you would not be the only one doing that 
- but it is not by any means the normal situation for people who do 
serious development on Linux.

And it is absolutely fine if you only install Linux very occasionally, 
and only one or two distros, and only long ago - but it is /not/ fine 
for you to think that you are right, and others are wrong, about the 
process.

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#382119

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-02-08 16:50 +0000
Message-ID<871q9msxxd.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#382098
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On 08/02/2024 11:55, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 07/02/2024 17:34, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 14:09, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 10:56, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2024 05:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/24 12:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> But the tools are *still preinstalled*, so installers can definitely
>>>>>>>>>>> rely on compiling stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, they aren't. It's common for devel tools not to be part of the base
>>>>>>>>>> system of a distro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wait really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you install Windows you don't get Visual Studio and you have to
>>>>>>>> install it separately. If you install Linux you get gcc and other
>>>>>>>> development tools, and I don't think there's even a way of setting up
>>>>>>>> the install to say you don't want them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are several hundred Linux distributions, not including the niche
>>>>>>> ones or outdated ones.  Have you tried them all?
>>>>>>> Most "normal user" oriented distros do not have gcc or related tools
>>>>>>> installed by default, nor do most server systems, or firewall systems, or
>>>>>>> small installations.  Installing the tools is usually very simple
>>>>>>> ("apt-get install build-essentials", or equivalent), but they are not
>>>>>>> included by default in the installation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've installed Linux several times on a desktop machine. I can never
>>>>>> remember being given an option to not install gcc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is beside the point.  You said you "get gcc and other development
>>>>> tools".  Which distribution(s) did you install?
>>>> Did you reply via email by accident, or would you rather not answer
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>> Me. Yes sorry.
>>> I've lost Google groups. Thunderbird has a "reply" button whch means
>>> "email" and its too easy to press "reply" if you're not terribly used to
>>> it. I did that to KT as well and he wondered why I was replying via
>>> email.
>> An easy mistake to make.  So what Linux distributions did you install
>> that gave you gcc by default?  The ones I've used, don't (though it's
>> trivial to add build tools later).
>> 
> Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions
> aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since discarded,
> and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember is "Ubuntu".

Ubuntu does not, as far as I can tell, install gcc by default.

> But I'm pretty sure you do
> get gcc by default and if you had to take special action I would have
> remembered it.

You remember that gcc was installed by default often enough that you
were prepared to claim it as a general rule about Linux, but you can't
remember any of the distributions that did it...  Oh well, we'll never
know now.

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#382121

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2024-02-08 17:04 +0000
Message-ID<slrnusa2cv.2h7.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#382119
On 2024-02-08, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> Whilst I've installed Linux many times the names of the distributions
>> aren't very meaningful to me, the machines are mostly long since
>> discarded, and I couldn't rightly tell you. But one name I remember
>> is "Ubuntu".
>
> Ubuntu does not, as far as I can tell, install gcc by default.

It doesn't.  At least not in the past decade (14.04 forward).  It may
have at one point in the past; but I only started using it *maybe* at
10.04 (more likely 12.04; certainly by 14.04).

Now, that is not to say you might not get the option at the tail end of
the installation process to select it (amongst other tools), ala
Debian's tasksel step.

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#382122

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-02-08 17:10 +0000
Message-ID<uq31ts$22580$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382119
On 08/02/2024 16:50, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

>> But I'm pretty sure you do
>> get gcc by default and if you had to take special action I would have
>> remembered it.
> 
> You remember that gcc was installed by default often enough that you
> were prepared to claim it as a general rule about Linux, but you can't
> remember any of the distributions that did it...  Oh well, we'll never
> know now.

You're being unfair.

Let's say I've used a dozen versions of prepackaged Linux (eg. as 
monolithic image, or already installed), which have always had gcc. And 
another dozen that I've had to install myself.

If those asked whether I wanted gcc added, then I really can't remember. 
Usually there were 1000 packages to install; you just let it get on with 
it and install the lot.

BTW if gcc /isn't/ installed, do you still get a bunch of standard C 
headers in /usr/include? If so, what do you have to select to not 
install them?

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#382128

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-02-08 17:25 +0000
Message-ID<i88xN.76397$U1cc.21733@fx04.iad>
In reply to#382122
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

>BTW if gcc /isn't/ installed, do you still get a bunch of standard C 
>headers in /usr/include? If so, what do you have to select to not 
>install them?

$ rpm -q -f /usr/include/stdio.h
glibc-headers-2.18-19.fc20.x86_64

An optional package.   glibc will be installed, of course,
but the delvelopment package(s) (containing headers, link-time
libraries, etc) are optional.

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#382144

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-08 23:30 +0000
Message-ID<uq3o6d$26ubh$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382128
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 17:25:34 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> $ rpm -q -f /usr/include/stdio.h

Hah. Never typed that often enough to discover that “rpm -q -f” can be 
shortened to “rpm -qf”? ;)

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#382129

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-02-08 17:38 +0000
Message-ID<20240208093519.256@kylheku.com>
In reply to#382122
On 2024-02-08, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 16:50, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> But I'm pretty sure you do
>>> get gcc by default and if you had to take special action I would have
>>> remembered it.
>> 
>> You remember that gcc was installed by default often enough that you
>> were prepared to claim it as a general rule about Linux, but you can't
>> remember any of the distributions that did it...  Oh well, we'll never
>> know now.
>
> You're being unfair.
>
> Let's say I've used a dozen versions of prepackaged Linux (eg. as 
> monolithic image, or already installed), which have always had gcc. And 
> another dozen that I've had to install myself.

One of the main points of GNU/Linux distros having developed binary
packaging system was so that users didn't have to get sources and build
stuff themselves.

That was the the big thing: use our distro and everything is prebuilt
and easy!

The distros made a point of the compiler being unnecessary, and just
being another set of packages.

Finding a dozen different binary distros that package the compiler
as a non-optional base package seems like a historic impossibility.

Malcolm probably said yes when prompted for dev tools and doesn't
remember.

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