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Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes...

Started byJohn Forkosh <john@somewhere.com>
First post2024-08-23 22:03 +0000
Last post2024-08-26 02:33 +0000
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  Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... John Forkosh <john@somewhere.com> - 2024-08-23 22:03 +0000
    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 23:06 +0000
      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-23 17:02 -0700
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-24 02:26 +0000
    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-24 14:41 +0200
      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... John Forkosh <forkosh@somewhere.com> - 2024-08-25 12:09 +0000
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 17:06 +0300
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-25 10:54 -0400
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 18:10 +0300
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-26 21:36 +0100
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-25 18:47 +0200
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 12:58 -0700
    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-24 20:11 +0200
      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-24 19:27 +0100
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-24 21:12 +0100
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-24 18:07 -0300
        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... John Forkosh <forkosh@somewhere.com> - 2024-08-25 12:18 +0000
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-25 10:50 -0400
            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-08-25 16:55 +0200
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-25 16:30 +0100
                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 19:17 +0300
                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-25 18:17 +0100
                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-08-25 18:20 +0200
                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-25 18:26 +0100
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 14:21 +0300
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 13:40 +0200
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 14:51 +0100
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 10:41 +0200
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-30 03:18 +0000
                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 05:41 +0000
                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-26 12:05 +0100
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-26 13:30 +0100
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-26 14:54 +0100
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 12:32 -0700
                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-26 13:07 -0700
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-28 00:49 +0100
                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 01:39 +0100
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-28 15:57 +0100
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 19:26 +0100
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 00:43 +0100
                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 11:35 +0100
                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 13:35 +0100
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 14:10 +0100
                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 16:13 +0100
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-29 15:40 +0000
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 16:45 +0100
                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-29 15:58 +0000
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 17:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 18:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 13:30 -0700
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 22:29 +0100
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 15:03 -0700
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 23:45 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 16:32 -0700
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-30 00:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-30 02:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-30 06:44 -0700
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 13:41 -0700
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-31 07:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-31 12:45 -0400
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 14:03 -0700
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 09:45 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 10:44 -0700
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-01 18:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-01 15:01 -0400
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 13:11 -0700
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 13:14 -0700
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 14:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-31 19:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-31 19:32 +0000
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-31 16:04 -0400
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-31 15:10 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-01 13:15 +0100
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 06:30 -0700
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 15:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-01 00:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 18:17 -0700
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-31 20:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 20:26 -0700
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-01 13:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 06:39 +0200
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-08 10:12 -0400
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 16:37 +0200
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 10:46 +0200
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-09 07:03 -0400
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 13:06 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-09 08:21 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-17 05:46 -0700
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-09 17:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-09 14:25 -0400
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-17 05:56 -0700
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-17 06:57 -0700
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-17 19:02 +0200
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-17 16:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... antispam@fricas.org - 2024-09-18 15:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-21 06:00 -0700
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-01 13:12 -0400
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-07 03:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-02 13:03 +0100
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-02 13:39 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-02 16:22 +0100
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-02 20:43 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-02 15:31 -0700
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-02 23:48 +0100
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-02 15:52 -0700
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-02 23:59 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-02 19:44 -0700
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-02 20:04 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-03 16:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 18:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-29 21:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-05 15:21 +0000
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-05 16:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-05 17:37 -0400
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-06 10:35 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-06 14:05 +0300
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-06 07:56 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-08 11:53 +0300
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 12:08 -0700
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-06 13:23 -0400
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-06 19:58 +0000
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-06 23:38 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 05:23 +0200
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-05 19:10 +0100
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-06 10:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-06 12:34 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-07 01:44 +0000
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-07 11:53 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-08 00:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 12:05 +0100
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-08 18:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 21:18 +0100
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 01:19 +0000
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-09 12:31 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-10 04:40 +0000
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 11:52 +0100
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 13:55 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 14:30 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-10 16:53 +0300
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 16:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-12 21:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 22:01 +0100
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 14:15 -0700
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 23:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 16:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-09 00:25 +0100
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 00:29 +0000
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-09 02:07 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 03:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 11:14 +0200
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 16:46 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 19:21 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 22:04 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 09:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-10 13:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 16:28 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-11 23:59 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-12 13:45 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-12 21:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-13 16:24 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-11 17:12 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 12:08 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-09 16:56 -0400
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 18:10 -0700
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 02:06 +0000
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 20:14 -0700
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-09 15:58 +0100
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 16:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-09 17:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 19:37 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 21:04 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 13:16 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 09:19 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 12:18 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 22:10 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-09 22:33 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 16:24 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 18:52 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 20:07 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 20:46 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 21:39 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-14 15:07 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-14 15:51 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-10 04:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 12:49 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-14 15:13 -0700
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-09 00:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 16:50 +0000
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-09 13:05 +0200
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 11:01 +0200
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-09 12:28 +0200
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-09 12:29 +0200
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 05:53 +0200
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 05:58 +0200
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-08 17:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 17:36 +0100
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-10 15:24 +0100
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 17:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-11 01:22 +0100
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-11 15:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-11 16:51 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-12 00:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-12 01:40 +0100
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-13 01:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 17:20 -0700
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-15 20:05 -0700
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-16 10:58 +0100
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-16 11:30 +0000
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-16 14:42 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-16 14:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-16 17:40 +0300
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-16 12:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-16 19:13 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-17 17:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 09:44 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-17 14:08 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 10:05 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-18 07:27 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 14:15 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-16 19:26 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-09-17 09:27 -0400
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-12 02:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-12 12:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 12:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-12 20:54 +0100
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 13:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-13 14:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 05:44 +0200
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-08 11:58 +0300
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 11:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-08 16:34 +0300
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-08 16:39 +0100
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 17:44 +0100
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 00:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 16:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 01:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 17:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 17:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-10 15:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-10 17:58 +0100
                                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-11 01:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-11 10:52 +0100
                                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-12 00:47 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-12 12:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 12:39 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 12:39 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-13 00:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-13 15:02 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-13 15:12 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-09-13 23:01 +0100
                                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 13:05 -0700
                                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 09:47 -0700
                                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-09 18:27 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 16:40 +0200
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-08 20:09 +0300
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 11:18 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-08 17:22 +0200
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-08 19:01 +0100
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-08 18:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 12:19 -0700
                                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-09-08 11:50 -0700
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-06 04:53 -0700
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-09-06 14:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-09 17:57 -0700
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-29 14:26 -0400
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 23:53 +0100
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-30 00:08 +0100
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-30 13:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-30 17:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-30 14:37 -0400
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-31 02:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-31 02:11 -0700
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-30 06:40 -0700
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-29 23:43 +0300
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 12:30 -0700
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 21:41 +0000
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-27 14:18 +0100
                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 12:22 -0700
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 12:50 -0700
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-28 00:15 +0100
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 17:46 -0700
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-01 07:07 +0000
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-27 18:19 -0700
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-28 15:47 +0100
                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-28 08:18 -0700
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 21:40 +0000
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 05:40 +0000
            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 17:59 +0200
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 19:28 +0300
                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 20:12 +0200
                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-25 19:24 +0100
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 03:43 +0200
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-27 01:33 +0200
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-27 00:47 +0100
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 07:09 +0200
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-27 09:37 +0200
                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 10:36 +0200
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-27 11:32 +0200
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 11:47 +0200
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-27 14:51 +0200
                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 15:14 +0200
                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-27 20:54 +0200
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 07:02 +0200
                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-28 11:26 +0200
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 11:30 +0200
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 11:49 +0200
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 13:43 +0300
                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 13:02 +0200
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 15:06 +0300
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 14:40 +0200
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 09:37 +0200
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 13:49 +0300
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-28 14:25 +0200
                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-08 21:34 +0000
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 11:34 +0200
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 14:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-09 17:11 +0200
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-09 23:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-10 11:20 +0200
                                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> - 2024-09-13 02:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-13 16:25 +0200
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-13 18:05 +0300
                                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-13 17:32 +0000
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 13:55 +0300
                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-27 21:13 +0100
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-08-27 21:07 +0000
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 07:03 +0200
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-28 14:01 +0300
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 12:39 -0700
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-28 18:48 +0200
                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 22:00 +0300
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 05:39 +0000
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-26 17:16 -0700
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 07:10 +0200
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 05:17 +0000
                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 07:23 +0200
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 06:47 +0000
                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 08:58 +0200
                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 23:44 +0000
                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 06:59 +0200
                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-28 05:39 +0000
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 08:04 +0200
                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-30 03:21 +0000
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 10:43 +0200
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-31 00:01 +0000
                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 06:44 +0200
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-31 22:30 +0000
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-08-30 14:38 +0000
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-31 00:02 +0000
                                              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-01 15:19 +0000
                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-01 15:22 +0000
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-01 23:48 +0000
                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 08:09 -0300
                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 13:32 +0200
                                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 08:47 -0300
                                          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 14:58 +0200
                                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 10:35 -0300
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                                                Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 10:52 -0300
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 11:04 -0300
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 16:18 +0200
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 16:51 +0100
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 18:58 +0200
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 16:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 14:02 -0300
                                                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 19:13 +0200
                                                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-28 19:29 +0200
                                                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 19:33 +0200
                            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-27 15:06 +0300
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-27 12:49 +0300
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-27 12:44 +0300
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 23:50 +0000
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-28 06:31 -0700
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-25 18:28 +0200
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-26 05:38 +0000
            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-25 18:23 +0200
          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 17:58 +0200
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          Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-25 20:11 +0300
            Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-25 17:48 -0700
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-26 10:54 +0300
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                  Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-27 12:33 +0300
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                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 12:16 -0700
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-27 21:53 +0200
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 23:55 +0000
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 23:53 +0000
                      Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 01:28 +0100
                        Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-28 05:45 +0000
                    Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 09:49 +0200
              Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-26 15:13 +0100
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#387850

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 12:22 -0700
Message-ID<87a5gxeppa.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#387840
Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language. For something supposedly low level than
>>>> C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>
>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>
>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs: usually if
>>>> you declare a variable A, then you can access A's value just by writing A;
>>>> its address is automatically dereferenced.
>>>
>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.  On the
>>> left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a value.  On the
>>> right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.  CPL used the terms and
>>> C got them via BCPL's documentation.  Viewed like this, BLISS just makes
>>> "evaluation" a universal concept.
>>
>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.  The
>> 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an assignment.
>>
>> Disclaimer: I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see the terms
>> "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are not searchable.  If
>> someone has better information, please post it.  Wikipedia does say that
>> the notion of "l-values" and "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>
> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>
> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses a
> mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand expressions" and
> "evaluated in LH mode".

The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs; they appear to be scans of
paper documents.

https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf

Do you have friendlier documents?

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#387853

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 12:50 -0700
Message-ID<valalt$33pkn$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387850
On 8/27/2024 12:22 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language. For something supposedly low level than
>>>>> C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs: usually if
>>>>> you declare a variable A, then you can access A's value just by writing A;
>>>>> its address is automatically dereferenced.
>>>>
>>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.  On the
>>>> left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a value.  On the
>>>> right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.  CPL used the terms and
>>>> C got them via BCPL's documentation.  Viewed like this, BLISS just makes
>>>> "evaluation" a universal concept.
>>>
>>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.  The
>>> 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an assignment.
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see the terms
>>> "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are not searchable.  If
>>> someone has better information, please post it.  Wikipedia does say that
>>> the notion of "l-values" and "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>>
>> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
>> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>>
>> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses a
>> mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand expressions" and
>> "evaluated in LH mode".
> 
> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs; they appear to be scans of
> paper documents.
> 
> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf

I can search this for sure.

> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
> 
> Do you have friendlier documents?
> 

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#387860

FromBen Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-08-28 00:15 +0100
Message-ID<87a5gxzhep.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#387850
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language. For something supposedly low level than
>>>>> C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs: usually if
>>>>> you declare a variable A, then you can access A's value just by writing A;
>>>>> its address is automatically dereferenced.
>>>>
>>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.  On the
>>>> left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a value.  On the
>>>> right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.  CPL used the terms and
>>>> C got them via BCPL's documentation.  Viewed like this, BLISS just makes
>>>> "evaluation" a universal concept.
>>>
>>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.  The
>>> 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an assignment.
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see the terms
>>> "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are not searchable.  If
>>> someone has better information, please post it.  Wikipedia does say that
>>> the notion of "l-values" and "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>>
>> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
>> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>>
>> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses a
>> mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand expressions" and
>> "evaluated in LH mode".
>
> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs; they appear to be scans of
> paper documents.
>
> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
>
> Do you have friendlier documents?

The earliest that is searchable has this title page:

  UNIVERSITY OF LONDON INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
  *************************************************
  THE UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICAL LABORATORY, CAMBRIDGE
  *************************************************
  CPL ELEMENTARY PROGRAMMING MANUAL
  Edition I (London)
   
  This document, written by the late John Buxton, was preserved by Bill
  Williams, formerly of London University’s Atlas support team. Bill has
  generously made it available to Dik Leatherdale who has OCRed and
  otherwise transcribed it for the Web. All errors should be reported to
  dik@leatherdale.net.  The original appearance is respected as far as
  possible, but program text and narrative are distinguished by the use of
  different fonts. Transcriber’s additions and “corrections” are in red,
  hyperlinks in underlined purple.  A contents list and a selection of
  references have been added inside the back cover.
   
  March 1965

I don't know where I got it from.  The other searchable one is just a
PDF is the oft-cited paper "The main features of CPL" by Barron et. al.

-- 
Ben.

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#387869

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 17:46 -0700
Message-ID<87ttf5cw49.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#387860
Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
>> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs; they appear to be scans of
>> paper documents.
>>
>> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
>> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
>>
>> Do you have friendlier documents?
>
> The earliest that is searchable has this title page:
>
>   UNIVERSITY OF LONDON INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
>   *************************************************
>   THE UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICAL LABORATORY, CAMBRIDGE
>   *************************************************
>   CPL ELEMENTARY PROGRAMMING MANUAL
>   Edition I (London)
[...]
> I don't know where I got it from.  The other searchable one is just a
> PDF is the oft-cited paper "The main features of CPL" by Barron et. al.

It's likely you have the same documents I have.  And the first one is
searchable (my mistake), while the second is not.

https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
"The main features of CPL"
985322 bytes, sha1sum b21f12f964aa4145f984c667862548943fdbf864

https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
3626287, sha1sum b007dd5e284cd8cf101a475cae2374eb121892c6

Quoting the former:

"""
6. Expressions

There are two possible modes of evaluation of an expression in CPL,
known as the left-hand (LH) and right-hand (RH) modes. All expressions
can be evaluated in RH mode, but only certain kinds of expression are
meaningful in LH mode. When evaluated in RH mode an expression is
regarded as being a rule for the computation of a value (the RH
value). When evaluated in LH mode an expression effectively gives an
address (the LH value): the significance of this is discussed further in
Section 8.
"""

I speculate that the terms "LH value" and "RH value" evolved to
"l-value" and "r-value", and later to "lvalue" and "rvalue".

And quoting <https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/cpl2bcpl.pdf> :

"""
3.1.
Left and Right hand values

In Fortran, function arguments are passed by reference, that is they are
a collection of pointers to the memory locations where the values can be
found. In Algol, the programmer can specify that some arguments are to
be passed by value, the remaining ones being passed by name, a somewhat
subtle mechanism specified in terms of run time copying of the actual
parameters of a call modifying the function body. Strachey coined the
terms Lvalue and Rvalue to describe the kind of value passed by
reference and value parameters, respectively. These terms were derived
from the kind of values needed when evaluating expressions on the left
and right hand sides of assignment commands. Lmode evaluation could be
performed on simple variables, subscripted expressions and, perhaps more
surprisingly, on functions calls.
"""

Christopher Strachey was the primary designer of CPL.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#388067

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-01 07:07 +0000
Message-ID<vb13r6$1dlt4$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387869
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 17:46:30 -0700, Keith Thompson wrote:

> Strachey coined the
> terms Lvalue and Rvalue to describe the kind of value passed by
> reference and value parameters, respectively.

I think “call by reference” is/was sometimes also referred to as “call by 
simple name”.

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#387870

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-08-27 18:19 -0700
Message-ID<86seup1m1g.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#387860
Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language.  For something supposedly
>>>>>> low level than C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs:
>>>>>> usually if you declare a variable A, then you can access A's
>>>>>> value just by writing A;  its address is automatically
>>>>>> dereferenced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.
>>>>> On the left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a
>>>>> value.  On the right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.
>>>>> CPL used the terms and C got them via BCPL's documentation.
>>>>> Viewed like this, BLISS just makes "evaluation" a universal
>>>>> concept.
>>>>
>>>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.
>>>> The 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an
>>>> assignment.
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer:  I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see
>>>> the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are
>>>> not searchable.  If someone has better information, please post
>>>> it.  Wikipedia does say that the notion of "l-values" and
>>>> "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>>>
>>> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
>>> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>>>
>>> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses
>>> a mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand
>>> expressions" and "evaluated in LH mode".
>>
>> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs;  they appear to be
>> scans of paper documents.
>>
>> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
>> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
>>
>> Do you have friendlier documents?
>
> The earliest that is searchable has this title page:
>
>   UNIVERSITY OF LONDON INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
>   *************************************************
>   THE UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICAL LABORATORY, CAMBRIDGE
>   *************************************************
>   CPL ELEMENTARY PROGRAMMING MANUAL
>   Edition I (London)
>
>   This document, written by the late John Buxton, was preserved by
>   Bill Williams, formerly of London University?s Atlas support team.
>   Bill has generously made it available to Dik Leatherdale who has
>   OCRed and otherwise transcribed it for the Web.  All errors should
>   be reported to dik@leatherdale.net.  The original appearance is
>   respected as far as possible, but program text and narrative are
>   distinguished by the use of different fonts.  Transcriber's
>   additions and 'corrections' are in red, hyperlinks in underlined
>   purple.  A contents list and a selection of references have been
>   added inside the back cover.
>
>   March 1965
>
> I don't know where I got it from.  The other searchable one is just
> a PDF is the oft-cited paper "The main features of CPL" by Barron
> et. al.

My understanding is the terms l-value and r-value, along with
several other terms widely used in relation to programming
languages, became widely used following a summer(?) course taught
by Christopher Strachey.  Some of the other terms are referential
transparency and parametric polymorphism, IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Concepts_in_Programming_Languages

I believe it is possible to track down the notes from that course,
if a diligent web search is employed.  I remember reading a copy
some years ago after finding one on the internet.

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#387911

FromBen Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
Date2024-08-28 15:47 +0100
Message-ID<87seuoyaa6.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#387870
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language.  For something supposedly
>>>>>>> low level than C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs:
>>>>>>> usually if you declare a variable A, then you can access A's
>>>>>>> value just by writing A;  its address is automatically
>>>>>>> dereferenced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.
>>>>>> On the left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a
>>>>>> value.  On the right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.
>>>>>> CPL used the terms and C got them via BCPL's documentation.
>>>>>> Viewed like this, BLISS just makes "evaluation" a universal
>>>>>> concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.
>>>>> The 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an
>>>>> assignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disclaimer:  I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see
>>>>> the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are
>>>>> not searchable.  If someone has better information, please post
>>>>> it.  Wikipedia does say that the notion of "l-values" and
>>>>> "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>>>>
>>>> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
>>>> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>>>>
>>>> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses
>>>> a mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand
>>>> expressions" and "evaluated in LH mode".
>>>
>>> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs;  they appear to be
>>> scans of paper documents.
>>>
>>> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
>>> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
>>>
>>> Do you have friendlier documents?
>>
>> The earliest that is searchable has this title page:
>>
>>   UNIVERSITY OF LONDON INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
>>   *************************************************
>>   THE UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICAL LABORATORY, CAMBRIDGE
>>   *************************************************
>>   CPL ELEMENTARY PROGRAMMING MANUAL
>>   Edition I (London)
>>
>>   This document, written by the late John Buxton, was preserved by
>>   Bill Williams, formerly of London University?s Atlas support team.
>>   Bill has generously made it available to Dik Leatherdale who has
>>   OCRed and otherwise transcribed it for the Web.  All errors should
>>   be reported to dik@leatherdale.net.  The original appearance is
>>   respected as far as possible, but program text and narrative are
>>   distinguished by the use of different fonts.  Transcriber's
>>   additions and 'corrections' are in red, hyperlinks in underlined
>>   purple.  A contents list and a selection of references have been
>>   added inside the back cover.
>>
>>   March 1965
>>
>> I don't know where I got it from.  The other searchable one is just
>> a PDF is the oft-cited paper "The main features of CPL" by Barron
>> et. al.
>
> My understanding is the terms l-value and r-value, along with
> several other terms widely used in relation to programming
> languages, became widely used following a summer(?) course taught
> by Christopher Strachey.  Some of the other terms are referential
> transparency and parametric polymorphism, IIRC.

The earlier ('65 and '66) writings about CPL that I've seen all use the
longer terms, and those lectures certainly use the short forms, so it
seems clear this is when they came about and, since he is the sole
author of the notes (unlike all the CPL documents that are groups
efforts), it's also likely he invented the terms.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Concepts_in_Programming_Languages
>
> I believe it is possible to track down the notes from that course,
> if a diligent web search is employed.  I remember reading a copy
> some years ago after finding one on the internet.

I suspect there is no copyright-free PDF as the notes were published by
an academic press.

None the less well worth a read, even nearly 60 years later.  Is it a
shame that that is the case?

-- 
Ben.

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#387914

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-08-28 08:18 -0700
Message-ID<86mskwznez.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#387911
Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BLISS is a rather strange language.  For something supposedly
>>>>>>>> low level than C, it doesn't have 'goto'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is also typeless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs:
>>>>>>>> usually if you declare a variable A, then you can access A's
>>>>>>>> value just by writing A;  its address is automatically
>>>>>>>> dereferenced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not always.  This is where left- and right-evaluation came in.
>>>>>>> On the left of an assignment A denotes a "place" to receive a
>>>>>>> value.  On the right, it denotes a value obtained from a place.
>>>>>>> CPL used the terms and C got them via BCPL's documentation.
>>>>>>> Viewed like this, BLISS just makes "evaluation" a universal
>>>>>>> concept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I recall, the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" originated with CPL.
>>>>>> The 'l' and 'r' suggest the left and right sides of an
>>>>>> assignment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disclaimer:  I have a couple of CPL documents, and I don't see
>>>>>> the terms "lvalue" and "rvalue" in a quick look.  The PDFs are
>>>>>> not searchable.  If someone has better information, please post
>>>>>> it.  Wikipedia does say that the notion of "l-values" and
>>>>>> "r-values" was introduced by CPL.
>>>>>
>>>>> I presume, since I mentioned the concepts coming from CPL, you are
>>>>> referring to specifically the short-form terms l- and r-values?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't help with those specific terms as the document I have uses
>>>>> a mixture of terms like "the LH value of...", "left-hand
>>>>> expressions" and "evaluated in LH mode".
>>>>
>>>> The documents I have are unsearchable PDFs;  they appear to be
>>>> scans of paper documents.
>>>>
>>>> https://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/134.full.pdf
>>>> https://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Do you have friendlier documents?
>>>
>>> The earliest that is searchable has this title page:
>>>
>>>   UNIVERSITY OF LONDON INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
>>>   *************************************************
>>>   THE UNIVERSITY MATHEMATICAL LABORATORY, CAMBRIDGE
>>>   *************************************************
>>>   CPL ELEMENTARY PROGRAMMING MANUAL
>>>   Edition I (London)
>>>
>>>   This document, written by the late John Buxton, was preserved by
>>>   Bill Williams, formerly of London University?s Atlas support team.
>>>   Bill has generously made it available to Dik Leatherdale who has
>>>   OCRed and otherwise transcribed it for the Web.  All errors should
>>>   be reported to dik@leatherdale.net.  The original appearance is
>>>   respected as far as possible, but program text and narrative are
>>>   distinguished by the use of different fonts.  Transcriber's
>>>   additions and 'corrections' are in red, hyperlinks in underlined
>>>   purple.  A contents list and a selection of references have been
>>>   added inside the back cover.
>>>
>>>   March 1965
>>>
>>> I don't know where I got it from.  The other searchable one is just
>>> a PDF is the oft-cited paper "The main features of CPL" by Barron
>>> et. al.
>>
>> My understanding is the terms l-value and r-value, along with
>> several other terms widely used in relation to programming
>> languages, became widely used following a summer(?) course taught
>> by Christopher Strachey.  Some of the other terms are referential
>> transparency and parametric polymorphism, IIRC.
>
> The earlier ('65 and '66) writings about CPL that I've seen all use the
> longer terms, and those lectures certainly use the short forms, so it
> seems clear this is when they came about and, since he is the sole
> author of the notes (unlike all the CPL documents that are groups
> efforts), it's also likely he invented the terms.

Not sure if the 'this' refers to the 1965/66 writings or the later
course.  In any case my comment was only about when the terms became
widely used, not when they were invented or first described.

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Concepts_in_Programming_Languages
>>
>> I believe it is possible to track down the notes from that course,
>> if a diligent web search is employed.  I remember reading a copy
>> some years ago after finding one on the internet.
>
> I suspect there is no copyright-free PDF as the notes were published by
> an academic press.

I remember finding a copy on the net somewhere perhaps 10 years ago
(no claim that the number 10 is accurate!).  If I had to bet I would
bet it was a PDF, but of course I'm not sure of that.  Also of course
I don't know if the copy I found infringed any copyrights.

> None the less well worth a read, even nearly 60 years later.  Is it a
> shame that that is the case?

What I might call the mainstream programming language community has
largely ignored the ideas that have come out of the declarative and
functional programming languages and the experience of those who
developed them.  I consider the continuing relevance of the Strachey
notes to be a symptom of that larger shortcoming.

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#387804

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-08-26 21:40 +0000
Message-ID<vaiso4$2k7o6$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387794
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 12:05:02 +0100, Bart wrote:

> BLISS is a rather strange language. For something supposedly low level 
> than C, it doesn't have 'goto'.

BLISS is proof that you don’t need goto to write well-structured, yet low-
level code.

> There is also a key feature that sets it apart from most HLLs: [variable
> references are always L-values]

Another key feature: scoped macros. And the variations on that concept, 
like the way aggregate types are defined in an essentially macro-like 
fashion.

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#387791

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-08-26 05:40 +0000
Message-ID<vah4ge$2b9i8$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387750
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 16:55:14 +0200, fir wrote:

> c is mid level language ...

In 1980s terms, it was.

Since the prevalence of languages at a higher level than what was 
considered “high-level” then, you could say it has dropped a level.

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#387754

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-25 17:59 +0200
Message-ID<vafkdk$1ut4h$2@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#387748
Am 25.08.2024 um 16:50 schrieb James Kuyper:

> C is a high level language. It is a very low-level high-level language,
> but it's not in any sense an assembler.

C is almost the lowest-level of all high level lanugages.
I don't know any further language which lacks nearly every abstraction.

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#387758

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2024-08-25 19:28 +0300
Message-ID<20240825192810.0000672c@yahoo.com>
In reply to#387754
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 17:59:49 +0200
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:

> Am 25.08.2024 um 16:50 schrieb James Kuyper:
> 
> > C is a high level language. It is a very low-level high-level
> > language, but it's not in any sense an assembler.  
> 
> C is almost the lowest-level of all high level lanugages.
> I don't know any further language which lacks nearly every
> abstraction.
> 
> 

Define "abstraction".
In my book this API is abstract.

struct bar_implementation;
typedef struct bar_implementation* bar;
typedef const struct bar_implementation* cbar;

bar* bar_make();
void bar_set_abra(bar x, int abra);
void bar_set_cadabra(bar x, double cadabra);
void bar_foo(bar x, int y);
int bar_get_abra(cbar x);
etc...

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#387767

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-25 20:12 +0200
Message-ID<vafs6u$21ofd$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#387758
Am 25.08.2024 um 18:28 schrieb Michael S:

> Define "abstraction".

OOP, functional programming, generic programming, exceptions.

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#387768

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-08-25 19:24 +0100
Message-ID<vafsst$20j4p$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387767
On 25/08/2024 19:12, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 25.08.2024 um 18:28 schrieb Michael S:
> 
>> Define "abstraction".
> 
> OOP, functional programming, generic programming, exceptions.
> 

That isn't surprising. The code you constantly post always uses the most 
advanced features, uses every toy that is available, and the most 
elaborate algorithms.

And it is always utterly incomprehensible.

I suspect that most of the time this is unnecessary and you just write 
this way because you can. Or to show off. Or to write stuff it is 
impossible to write in C (good!).

This is where having fewer such features helps. If I port an algorithm 
to some new language X, then if it was originally in C, I'd have a 
fighting chance.

In C++ written by you, then forget it. I don't even need to look at the 
code. If you wrote novels, you'd be using a vocabulary 20 or 30 times 
bigger than any normal person understands. It really doesn't help.

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#387784

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-26 03:43 +0200
Message-ID<vagmjc$29l69$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#387768
Am 25.08.2024 um 20:24 schrieb Bart:

> That isn't surprising. The code you constantly post always uses the
> most advanced features, uses every toy that is available, and the
> most elaborate algorithms.
> 
> And it is always utterly incomprehensible.

No, it saves work and it is nearly optimal in terms of performance.

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#387806

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 01:33 +0200
Message-ID<vaj3c4$2lb2c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387768
On 25.08.2024 20:24, Bart wrote:
> On 25/08/2024 19:12, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Am 25.08.2024 um 18:28 schrieb Michael S:
>>
>>> Define "abstraction".

This could have been looked up online (e.g. in a Wikipedia article).

>>
>> OOP, functional programming, generic programming, exceptions.

(And there are yet more.)

> 
> That isn't surprising. The code you constantly post always uses the most
> advanced features, uses every toy that is available, and the most
> elaborate algorithms.

I'm not sure in what bubble you lived the past decades. The listed
abstraction examples date back to the 1960's. They were realized in
many programming languages, including long existing ones as well as
many contemporary ones. I suggest to try to understand the concepts
if you want to reach the next experience level. :-)

Janis

> [...]

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#387807

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-08-27 00:47 +0100
Message-ID<vaj46o$2kusd$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387806
On 27/08/2024 00:33, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 25.08.2024 20:24, Bart wrote:
>> On 25/08/2024 19:12, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>> Am 25.08.2024 um 18:28 schrieb Michael S:
>>>
>>>> Define "abstraction".
> 
> This could have been looked up online (e.g. in a Wikipedia article).
> 
>>>
>>> OOP, functional programming, generic programming, exceptions.
> 
> (And there are yet more.)
> 
>>
>> That isn't surprising. The code you constantly post always uses the most
>> advanced features, uses every toy that is available, and the most
>> elaborate algorithms.
> 
> I'm not sure in what bubble you lived the past decades. The listed
> abstraction examples date back to the 1960's. They were realized in
> many programming languages,

Perhaps not so much in the ones people used. Assembly? Fortran? Cobol? 
There have always been academic languages.

  including long existing ones as well as
> many contemporary ones. I suggest to try to understand the concepts
> if you want to reach the next experience level. :-)

I sometimes use (and implement) such features in scripting code which 
has the support to use them effortlessly.

I've rarely needed them for systems programming.

My comments were in connection with their clunky and abstruse 
implementations in C++, and BM's habit of posting C++ code full of 
gratuitous uses of such features.

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#387814

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 07:09 +0200
Message-ID<vajn36$2rqra$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#387807
Am 27.08.2024 um 01:47 schrieb Bart:

> My comments were in connection with their clunky and abstruse 
> implementations in C++, and BM's habit of posting C++ code full
> of gratuitous uses of such features.
It's not gratitious: it reduces code size and makes the code more
readable.

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#387821

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-08-27 09:37 +0200
Message-ID<vajvoh$2t849$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#387807
On 27/08/2024 01:47, Bart wrote:
> On 27/08/2024 00:33, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> On 25.08.2024 20:24, Bart wrote:
>>> On 25/08/2024 19:12, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>> Am 25.08.2024 um 18:28 schrieb Michael S:
>>>>
>>>>> Define "abstraction".
>>
>> This could have been looked up online (e.g. in a Wikipedia article).
>>
>>>>
>>>> OOP, functional programming, generic programming, exceptions.
>>
>> (And there are yet more.)
>>
>>>
>>> That isn't surprising. The code you constantly post always uses the most
>>> advanced features, uses every toy that is available, and the most
>>> elaborate algorithms.
>>
>> I'm not sure in what bubble you lived the past decades. The listed
>> abstraction examples date back to the 1960's. They were realized in
>> many programming languages,
> 
> Perhaps not so much in the ones people used. Assembly? Fortran? Cobol? 
> There have always been academic languages.
> 
>   including long existing ones as well as
>> many contemporary ones. I suggest to try to understand the concepts
>> if you want to reach the next experience level. :-)
> 
> I sometimes use (and implement) such features in scripting code which 
> has the support to use them effortlessly.
> 
> I've rarely needed them for systems programming.
> 

As a counterpoint, I /have/ seen at least some of these in systems 
programming - namely my own, and that of colleagues, customers and 
suppliers.  (Small-systems embedded and microcontroller programming is 
pretty much all "systems programming".)

But it is also fair to say that abstractions are less than you might see 
on "big" systems.  For systems programming, there is more concern about 
the efficiency of the results, leading to a different balance with 
respect to speed or ease of coding, maintainability, code re-use, etc.

In this field, C++ usage is on the way up, C usage has peaked and is 
going down, assembly is mostly dead (at least as a language for entire 
programs), and newcomers such as Rust and Micropython are emerging.

We very rarely see exceptions in this field, but OOP is certainly common 
now.  Classes with non-virtual inheritance are basically cost-free, and 
provide structure, safety, encapsulation and flexibility.  Virtual 
functions have overhead, but can be a solid alternative to call-backs or 
function pointers.  I use generic programming - templates - regularly, 
with inheritance and CRTP for compile-time polymorphism.  I've even used 
lambdas.

Yes, abstractions are, and always have been, vital to systems 
programming.  They have always been important to systems programming in 
C too, using the limited tools available in C ("void*" pointers, typedef 
"handle" types, struct pointers so that client code does not see the 
struct contents, etc.).  C++ gives you a lot more tools here, and lets 
you get more efficient results in the end (if you use it appropriately).

But you certainly can use a range of abstractions in C programming too. 
Every time you use an enumerated type instead of an int, it's an 
abstraction.  You can encapsulate your data and functions in structs. 
You can do generic coding with macros.  C++ makes it easier to get 
right, and harder to get wrong (while still compiling), but you can 
still do abstractions in C.

And yes, C++ gives more opportunities to write incomprehensible code 
than C, and the language suffers from having been built up gradually 
over time by adding features to a base (roughly C).  It is no more a 
"perfect" language than any other language.

> My comments were in connection with their clunky and abstruse 
> implementations in C++, and BM's habit of posting C++ code full of 
> gratuitous uses of such features.
> 

I don't think BM's posts are generally good or clear examples of uses of 
C++.  And I don't think continuously posting "C++ would be ten times 
easier" in c.l.c is helpful to anyone.

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#387823

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2024-08-27 10:36 +0200
Message-ID<vak35f$2tphj$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#387821
Am 27.08.2024 um 09:37 schrieb David Brown:


> But it is also fair to say that abstractions are less than you might see 
> on "big" systems.  For systems programming, there is more concern about 
> the efficiency of the results, ...

C++ is efficient and abstract in one.

> We very rarely see exceptions in this field, but OOP is certainly common 
> now.

You have to accept exceptions with C++ since there are a lot of places
where C++ throws a bad_alloc or system_error.

> Classes with non-virtual inheritance are basically cost-free, and  provide
> structure, safety, encapsulation and flexibility.  Virtual functions have
> overhead, ...

The virtual function overhead isn't notwworthy and not much more over
manual dispatch.

> But you certainly can use a range of abstractions in C programming too.

C doesn't supply features to have abstractions like in C++.

> I don't think BM's posts are generally good or clear examples of uses
> of C++. And I don't think continuously posting "C++ would be ten times 
> easier" in c.l.c is helpful to anyone.

C is just too much work.

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