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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-11-14 16:13 -0600 |
| Last post | 2017-11-20 10:39 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 450 — 38 participants |
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"The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-14 16:13 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-14 15:19 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-15 09:10 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 15:02 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 07:08 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 15:15 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 09:09 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 16:16 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 15:32 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-15 15:32 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 21:45 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 10:40 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-15 11:13 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 12:18 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-15 12:29 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 13:06 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-16 10:37 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 14:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 21:47 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 13:32 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-15 17:27 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 19:13 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 01:09 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-16 11:42 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 13:52 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 05:12 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 14:58 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 06:39 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 06:44 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 07:46 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 21:08 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 02:44 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 05:27 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 15:13 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 07:55 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 11:11 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 03:40 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 15:44 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 15:30 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 17:27 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 07:55 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 10:48 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 11:28 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 11:54 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 12:20 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-16 14:18 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 16:40 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-16 16:43 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-16 18:43 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-16 23:40 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-17 20:52 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 00:07 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-17 00:27 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-16 16:35 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 00:53 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 09:44 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 10:38 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 23:47 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 11:20 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 16:26 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 15:50 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-11-17 07:55 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 14:28 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-18 10:10 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 18:35 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-18 11:47 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 20:35 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-18 12:53 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-18 22:26 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 00:11 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-18 18:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 11:01 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-19 11:57 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 20:17 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-19 12:54 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 21:02 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-19 21:12 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 16:51 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-18 14:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 12:41 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-19 07:59 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 17:38 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-19 13:10 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 22:30 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-19 15:33 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-11-19 21:58 -0700
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-20 06:53 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-20 10:18 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 08:44 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-20 10:22 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 19:25 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-18 20:52 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 13:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-19 01:40 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 19:12 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-19 03:54 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-19 06:56 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-19 15:42 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-19 07:45 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-20 17:08 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 21:45 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-19 01:17 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 22:05 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 11:25 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-18 21:54 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 21:44 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-19 16:50 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 23:56 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 23:18 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-19 22:43 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 09:06 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 10:45 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 12:25 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 11:52 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 13:19 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 13:23 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 16:22 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 15:48 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-20 16:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 04:10 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-11-20 01:00 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 21:23 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 20:41 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 23:12 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 22:37 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 23:52 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 11:18 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 12:34 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 03:56 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 13:36 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 05:19 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 16:37 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-20 14:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 07:14 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 16:54 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-11-20 08:05 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-20 11:18 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 20:11 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-20 14:27 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-20 11:40 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 22:17 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-21 09:01 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 22:21 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-21 10:37 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-20 09:36 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 20:14 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-11-20 12:18 -0700
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-20 11:33 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-20 11:48 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-20 16:26 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-20 19:10 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-21 09:53 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-21 03:42 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-21 13:18 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-21 04:49 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-21 15:49 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-21 07:41 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-21 12:39 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-22 08:20 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-21 12:33 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-21 15:58 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-21 16:41 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 01:01 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-22 14:21 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 01:50 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-22 14:57 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 18:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-22 10:58 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 20:50 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-22 13:04 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-11-22 13:09 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 06:24 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-21 20:01 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 10:00 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 11:03 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 12:38 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 11:50 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 15:18 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 13:19 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 15:47 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 16:04 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-22 16:45 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-22 12:08 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-22 10:02 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 21:56 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 20:22 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 21:59 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 21:15 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-22 13:37 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 22:04 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-23 18:25 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 18:16 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 10:27 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-23 12:50 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-23 09:18 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-23 09:15 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-23 12:48 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 22:18 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-24 09:38 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 21:00 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-22 13:40 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-22 22:24 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-22 15:18 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 02:34 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 13:45 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 14:34 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-23 18:16 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 10:23 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-23 12:13 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-23 09:30 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 02:21 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 13:49 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-23 16:07 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 16:03 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-24 09:09 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-24 08:02 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 11:26 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 11:37 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 19:56 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 12:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 20:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 12:38 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 19:32 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-24 08:34 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-23 20:24 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 06:34 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-24 20:05 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-24 11:57 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 04:25 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-24 13:02 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 07:31 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-11-24 13:32 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-24 14:05 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-25 12:03 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-11-25 00:23 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 00:41 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-25 00:58 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-11-24 20:28 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 02:36 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-25 02:53 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-24 22:42 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-11-25 10:34 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-25 17:13 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-11-25 13:32 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-25 10:38 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-25 19:17 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-26 08:43 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-25 19:46 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 11:14 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 08:44 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-22 03:19 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-22 09:45 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-22 15:52 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-11-20 12:14 -0700
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-20 16:45 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-20 17:12 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-11-20 13:14 +0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2017-11-19 22:38 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 18:43 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 18:07 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-11-19 10:38 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 22:30 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-11-19 14:22 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2017-11-25 11:46 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 17:19 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-26 08:46 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 20:59 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-26 11:54 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-25 23:34 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-26 14:19 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-26 11:39 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-26 13:20 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-26 13:43 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-26 17:32 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-26 17:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-26 22:11 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-26 06:53 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 19:50 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 17:37 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 07:54 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 17:45 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 11:15 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-11-17 19:36 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-19 23:03 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 16:02 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 08:12 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-17 16:44 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 17:53 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-18 08:04 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 19:46 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-18 11:12 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 23:00 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-18 12:14 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 23:35 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-18 13:27 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 01:57 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 12:09 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 23:39 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 13:30 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-19 01:17 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 14:37 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 12:52 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 10:33 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-11-18 22:04 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-19 17:30 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 08:02 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 03:15 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 17:39 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 19:13 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 06:48 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-16 17:03 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 09:24 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 09:45 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-16 10:57 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-16 14:13 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 11:24 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-18 09:53 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-16 23:44 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-16 08:35 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2017-11-15 16:28 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-15 23:00 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-16 14:38 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-16 12:15 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-17 00:44 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 13:54 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 09:51 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 12:28 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-17 10:56 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 11:47 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-17 20:16 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-17 12:57 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 15:07 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-11-15 02:33 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-14 18:21 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 04:04 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 01:56 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 10:49 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 03:42 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-15 13:13 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-15 12:16 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-11-15 11:47 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 04:58 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 15:22 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 08:07 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-16 16:17 -0600
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 14:45 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 08:21 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-16 08:25 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 08:37 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-16 10:44 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 11:16 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 04:39 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-11-16 19:51 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 11:37 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 11:58 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-16 12:09 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-11-17 02:53 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-16 20:36 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 12:40 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-11-16 23:54 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-16 18:08 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-16 23:27 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 12:32 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-18 06:50 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 04:15 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 12:44 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 10:10 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-17 14:02 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-16 18:06 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-11-17 01:01 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-18 06:45 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 13:07 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-19 09:16 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-16 16:03 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-11-18 06:47 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-18 13:13 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-18 14:04 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-18 14:38 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-18 09:59 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-20 13:23 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 10:30 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-11-18 14:42 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-17 16:43 +1300
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-17 10:32 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-11-15 22:17 +0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 15:54 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 15:12 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-15 15:15 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 15:35 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-15 17:31 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-11-15 08:39 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-15 17:10 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-15 17:31 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 18:26 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-11-16 01:19 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-11-15 10:54 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 21:42 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-15 22:52 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-11-15 23:46 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-11-15 23:56 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-16 13:29 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 05:43 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-16 14:53 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 07:00 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-16 16:10 +0100
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-16 16:10 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 11:42 -0500
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-11-16 17:06 +0000
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 09:37 -0800
Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-11-15 21:42 +0100
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Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 02:06 -0800
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Re: "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-11-16 21:20 +0800
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-19 14:37 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <f7c5irFnms3U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #122960 |
On 11/19/2017 02:17 PM, bartc wrote: > On 19/11/2017 00:30, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 11/19/2017 12:39 PM, bartc wrote: > >>> (I don't code directly in C. My main language targets x64, C32 or C64. >>> For a 32-bit target, I would generate C32 code and compile it with >>> someone else's 32-bit C compiler. There are several available.) >> >> Well there you go, simple solution for a trivial use case. As soon as >> the scope broadens and you need to consider dependencies, the simple >> solution won't do the job. > > I really don't know what you're on about mate. The topic of this sub-thread. > I've developed code generators for 8, 16 and 32-bit targets (forget my > first one for 36 bits). > > Now I tend to do them for 64 bits, because I've done all the rest, and > because any machine I'm likely to get my hands on is going to be 64-bit. > > I'm not doing this as a job or as business, but for pleasure. But > someone feels the need to piss on that by saying, Ah but what about > 32-bit targets. Well, it really doesn't matter what my compilers are > capable of; you're always going to find one shortcoming or another. This sub-thread was comparing package management with a simple downloadable executable. All I've said is the latter is fine for a single platform, single use case situation but not for something more generic. Nothing more, nothing less. Even in a simple case from an administration point of view, having to go to multiple places for downloads is a real PITA. Anyone who has had to maintain windows systems used to build complex systems would agree... -- Ian.
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| From | bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-18 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <J1WPB.32000$FA7.2064@fx16.am4> |
| In reply to | #122897 |
On 18/11/2017 00:27, Ian Collins wrote: > On 11/18/2017 12:35 PM, bartc wrote: >> But since you're the expert, you tell ME what I should do with this >> machine (apparently Ubuntu 10.04 on ARM32) to upgrade its gcc. Not that >> I'm that bothered, but I wanted to see if the process really was as >> straightforward as you suggested. It wasn't. > > Ubuntu 10.04 (even 10.04 LTS) went out of support two and a half years > ago... So, what does that mean, that the package install system won't work any more? Yet I manage to download a program, compile it (albeit with gcc 4.4, and a program that doesn't depend on a specific OS or version) and run it. So it sounds like it can be advantageous not to be tied to such a system. If a new C feature was introduced (say, entering constants in ternary), I could download my compiler (assuming I had one targeting this machine or one targetting standard C) with that feature very quickly so that people could make use of it. But that feature might only be in the latest 7.xx gcc which might be impossible to install on an obsolete OS. Simplicity wins. -- bartc
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-19 10:33 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <f7bna4Fnms3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #122915 |
On 11/19/2017 01:52 AM, bartc wrote: > On 18/11/2017 00:27, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 11/18/2017 12:35 PM, bartc wrote: > >>> But since you're the expert, you tell ME what I should do with this >>> machine (apparently Ubuntu 10.04 on ARM32) to upgrade its gcc. Not that >>> I'm that bothered, but I wanted to see if the process really was as >>> straightforward as you suggested. It wasn't. >> >> Ubuntu 10.04 (even 10.04 LTS) went out of support two and a half years >> ago... > > So, what does that mean, that the package install system won't work any > more? I've no idea, probably Undefined behaviour :) -- Ian.
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2017-11-18 22:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ouqsbn$s24$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #122944 |
On 11/18/2017 04:33 PM, Ian Collins wrote: > On 11/19/2017 01:52 AM, bartc wrote: >> On 18/11/2017 00:27, Ian Collins wrote: >>> On 11/18/2017 12:35 PM, bartc wrote: >> >>>> But since you're the expert, you tell ME what I should do with this >>>> machine (apparently Ubuntu 10.04 on ARM32) to upgrade its gcc. Not that >>>> I'm that bothered, but I wanted to see if the process really was as >>>> straightforward as you suggested. It wasn't. >>> >>> Ubuntu 10.04 (even 10.04 LTS) went out of support two and a half years >>> ago... >> >> So, what does that mean, that the package install system won't work any >> more? > > I've no idea, probably Undefined behaviour :) What it means is that there are no longer any new versions of the currently installed software that are compatible with Ubuntu 10.04. You're stuck with the last version that was delivered before it went out of support. For many kinds of software, that's fine - it will never work any better than it did before, but it works well enough to be useful. However, many kinds of software are vulnerable to malware, and for such software, it's a very bad idea to fall behind in the updates, which might contain fixes to malware vulnerabilities. You have to upgrade to a current version of Ubuntu before Software Updater will be able to find new updates.
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-19 17:30 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <f7cfnkFnms3U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #122967 |
On 11/19/2017 04:04 PM, James Kuyper wrote: > On 11/18/2017 04:33 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 11/19/2017 01:52 AM, bartc wrote: >>> On 18/11/2017 00:27, Ian Collins wrote: >>>> On 11/18/2017 12:35 PM, bartc wrote: >>> >>>>> But since you're the expert, you tell ME what I should do with this >>>>> machine (apparently Ubuntu 10.04 on ARM32) to upgrade its gcc. Not that >>>>> I'm that bothered, but I wanted to see if the process really was as >>>>> straightforward as you suggested. It wasn't. >>>> >>>> Ubuntu 10.04 (even 10.04 LTS) went out of support two and a half years >>>> ago... >>> >>> So, what does that mean, that the package install system won't work any >>> more? >> >> I've no idea, probably Undefined behaviour :) > > What it means is that there are no longer any new versions of the > currently installed software that are compatible with Ubuntu 10.04. > You're stuck with the last version that was delivered before it went out > of support. For many kinds of software, that's fine - it will never work > any better than it did before, but it works well enough to be useful. > However, many kinds of software are vulnerable to malware, and for such > software, it's a very bad idea to fall behind in the updates, which > might contain fixes to malware vulnerabilities. You have to upgrade to a > current version of Ubuntu before Software Updater will be able to find > new updates. Indeed, but I was matching the tone of the thread... -- Ian
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| From | Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-17 08:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6f06adca-3c90-47d1-aeb7-2439015e2a48@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122833 |
On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 1:27:02 PM UTC-2, David Brown wrote: ... > > Try porting the sources to a different > > language. Try UNDERSTANDING them. Try compiling under a C compiler that > > is not gcc or MSVC. Try building it using ONLY a C compiler (even if > > it's gcc or MSVC) and not configure scripts or makefiles (another I am not following this discussion so closely, and I don't know what Bart wants to say. However, I would like some standardization for tools as well. For instance. #pragma dir "Dir\" this could be used to define includes. and this: #pragma source "file1.c" #pragma source "*.c" could create group of files for compilation.
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| From | Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 03:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ef736b80-8715-4572-8d53-c47f910c4448@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122849 |
On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 2:02:55 PM UTC-2, Thiago Adams wrote: > On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 1:27:02 PM UTC-2, David Brown wrote: > ... > > > Try porting the sources to a different > > > language. Try UNDERSTANDING them. Try compiling under a C compiler that > > > is not gcc or MSVC. Try building it using ONLY a C compiler (even if > > > it's gcc or MSVC) and not configure scripts or makefiles (another > > I am not following this discussion so closely, and I don't know what Bart > wants to say. > However, I would like some standardization for tools as well. > > For instance. > > #pragma dir "Dir\" > > this could be used to define includes. > > and this: > > #pragma source "file1.c" > #pragma source "*.c" > > could create group of files for compilation. Visual studio has: #pragma comment(lib, "Comctl32.lib") This includes the library "Comctl32.lib" This king of pragma also could be standardized: #pragma lib "Comctl32.lib" #pragma libdir "dir\" Having this feature we could add a library using it's include. #include "lib.h" If we put #pragma lib "Comctl32.lib" inside lib.h there is no need for additional configuration. Better than this the tools and build on different platforms can converge.
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-17 17:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87a7zkn6sb.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #122799 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: > Personally, I merely hope you will one day learn to read what people > write. Then you won't have to keep misinterpreting posts and > misrepresenting them later, and you won't have to keep asking the same > questions and making the same complaints. I merely hope that you'll realise that none of that is ever going to happen, and you wasting perfectly good electrons attempting to explain complex issues to a total moron.
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87a7zmavfo.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #122671 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: >> Just the difference between pointer to array and array of pointers is >> enough! > > It always seems to cause /you/ trouble. This is your periodic reminder that bartc has proved himself many times over to be dumber than a box of rocks.
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 06:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bd252a04-29d5-49bb-bfd6-aaf1235df7ff@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122667 |
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 11:42:10 AM UTC, Bart wrote: > On 16/11/2017 00:09, David Brown wrote: > > On 15/11/17 20:13, bartc wrote: > > >> Think of the loss of productivity of approaching half a century now of > >> people grappling with type declaration syntax, just one thing out of > >> dozens that ought to have been fixed nearly from the start. > > > > Why not just think about the huge majority of C programmers who /don't/ > > have a problem with C's type declaration syntax? > > I don't believe you. Look at the chapter in K&R2 on complex declarations > and special program to help untangle them, or the existence of CDECL. > Even passing a 2D array to a subroutine is too complicated in C89, and the C11 method isn't widely enough supported. There's also a subtle problem with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting, something to do with the type of grammar that describes C. However in my view the real problem isn't convoluted type, but type aliasing (a Malcolm term). Use of more than one type to describe the same thing.
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 17:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87o9o217gv.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #122692 |
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> Even passing a 2D array to a subroutine is too complicated in C89, and
> the C11 method isn't widely enough supported.
What's the difference? Every compiler supports the C89 method (and it's
still valid in C11) so I'd opt for that every time.
> There's also a subtle problem
> with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting,
> something to do with the type of grammar that describes C.
You probably mean the fact that once a name has been defined as a type
it plays a different syntactic role compared to other identifiers.
Normally
x f(void) { return 42; }
is a syntax error, but when preceded by typedef int x; it's fine.
<snip>
--
Ben.
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 09:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d32d9600-6ee5-4d22-a0f3-dbd03f5012ac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122723 |
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:03:54 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> <snip>
> > Even passing a 2D array to a subroutine is too complicated in C89, and
> > the C11 method isn't widely enough supported.
>
> What's the difference? Every compiler supports the C89 method (and it's
> still valid in C11) so I'd opt for that every time.
>
> > There's also a subtle problem
> > with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting,
> > something to do with the type of grammar that describes C.
>
> You probably mean the fact that once a name has been defined as a type
> it plays a different syntactic role compared to other identifiers.
> Normally
>
> x f(void) { return 42; }
>
> is a syntax error, but when preceded by typedef int x; it's fine.
>
Yes, it means that the grammar isn't what is called "context free" which
has big implications, but I forget the details.
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| From | Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 09:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d5156f60-4e87-4e7b-aa64-5b8f341a0f6c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122728 |
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 3:24:25 PM UTC-2, Malcolm McLean wrote:
...
> Yes, it means that the grammar isn't what is called "context free" which
> has big implications, but I forget the details.
Just for curiosity, this was one of the latest bugs in my parser
associated with the grammar and constrains.
typedef int X;
void F(X X){ }
I was considering the second X as a type. To fix the problem
I have to "build the type while it is valid"
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 10:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <871skyyrt6.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #122728 |
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:03:54 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
>> > There's also a subtle problem
>> > with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting,
>> > something to do with the type of grammar that describes C.
>>
>> You probably mean the fact that once a name has been defined as a type
>> it plays a different syntactic role compared to other identifiers.
>> Normally
>>
>> x f(void) { return 42; }
>>
>> is a syntax error, but when preceded by typedef int x; it's fine.
>>
> Yes, it means that the grammar isn't what is called "context free" which
> has big implications, but I forget the details.
The "big implications" are that it's a little tricky to implement a
parser for C. The parser needs feedback from the symbol table. This is
because typedefs were added relatively late, on top of an existing
grammer that was, as far as I know, context free.
It's mildly annoying, but it's a solved problem.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-16 14:13 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <oukreu$111$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #122728 |
On 11/16/2017 11:24 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:03:54 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> <snip>
>>> Even passing a 2D array to a subroutine is too complicated in C89, and
>>> the C11 method isn't widely enough supported.
>>
>> What's the difference? Every compiler supports the C89 method (and it's
>> still valid in C11) so I'd opt for that every time.
>>
>>> There's also a subtle problem
>>> with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting,
>>> something to do with the type of grammar that describes C.
>>
>> You probably mean the fact that once a name has been defined as a type
>> it plays a different syntactic role compared to other identifiers.
>> Normally
>>
>> x f(void) { return 42; }
>>
>> is a syntax error, but when preceded by typedef int x; it's fine.
>>
> Yes, it means that the grammar isn't what is called "context free" which
> has big implications, but I forget the details.
>
main annoyance:
* the need to lookup typedefs when parsing declarations.
* can't parse things correctly when the typedef isn't visible.
some newer languages use a trick:
if it is used in a case where it "looks like a type", it is assumed to
be a type.
for example:
x i;
assumes 'x' is a typedef, because it can't validly be anything else.
similar trick can be employed when parsing C (as a parser speedup), but
checking for typedefs can't be fully eliminated due to cases where it
isn't possible to determine purely from syntax whether the token is
intended to be a typedef name or an identifier.
similarly, one can eliminate cases where the token can be assumed to not
be a typedef (and skip doing a lookup), but this can lead to mis-parsing
in some contrived edge cases.
these assumptions "basically hold" for most real code though (if albeit
needing to deal with things like implicit int and K&R decl syntax don't
exactly help matters here).
in other languages, one can instead define the rules as such to disallow
cases where it is ambiguous (and pass blame onto the programmer for
writing things which don't parse correctly according to these rules).
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-11-17 11:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ln1skwyah7.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #122762 |
BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> writes:
[...]
> main annoyance:
> * the need to lookup typedefs when parsing declarations.
> * can't parse things correctly when the typedef isn't visible.
>
> some newer languages use a trick:
> if it is used in a case where it "looks like a type", it is assumed to
> be a type.
>
> for example:
> x i;
> assumes 'x' is a typedef, because it can't validly be anything else.
Do you have an example of such a language?
In most non-C-derived languages I'm familiar with, the issue doesn't
arise in the first place.
In ancient C, before the addition of typedefs, a type name could
always be recognized by the use of certain keywords. For example,
"int" and "char" are reserved words, not ordinary identifiers.
The addition of typedefs meant that a single identifier could be
a type name, and parsing became a bit more complicated so it could
recognize them.
Many other languages have a grammar designed from the beginning so
that a single identifier can be a type name.
For example, in C:
foo(x);
can't be parsed without knowing whether "foo" is a type name or not.
In Ada:
X: Foo;
The compiler doesn't need to assume that Foo is a type name,
because that's the only thing it can be. It only needs to check
whether the name Foo is visible, and if so whether it's legal to
define an object of that type.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-11-18 09:53 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <oupkut$6pq$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #122871 |
(delayed, due to usenet server being down again)
On 11/17/2017 1:24 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> writes:
> [...]
>> main annoyance:
>> * the need to lookup typedefs when parsing declarations.
>> * can't parse things correctly when the typedef isn't visible.
>>
>> some newer languages use a trick:
>> if it is used in a case where it "looks like a type", it is assumed to
>> be a type.
>>
>> for example:
>> x i;
>> assumes 'x' is a typedef, because it can't validly be anything else.
>
> Do you have an example of such a language?
>
C#, more or less.
also my BGBScript and BGBScript2 languages also work this way.
while conceivably Java could be made to work this way, IIRC javac works
instead by scanning directories (eg: "Foo" is a valid type-name if it
finds "Foo.class" or "Foo.java" in one of the imported
package-directories or similar).
> In most non-C-derived languages I'm familiar with, the issue doesn't
> arise in the first place.
>
> In ancient C, before the addition of typedefs, a type name could
> always be recognized by the use of certain keywords. For example,
> "int" and "char" are reserved words, not ordinary identifiers.
> The addition of typedefs meant that a single identifier could be
> a type name, and parsing became a bit more complicated so it could
> recognize them.
>
> Many other languages have a grammar designed from the beginning so
> that a single identifier can be a type name.
>
> For example, in C:
>
> foo(x);
>
> can't be parsed without knowing whether "foo" is a type name or not.
> In Ada:
>
> X: Foo;
>
> The compiler doesn't need to assume that Foo is a type name,
> because that's the only thing it can be. It only needs to check
> whether the name Foo is visible, and if so whether it's legal to
> define an object of that type.
>
yeah.
it is simpler, granted, to have a syntax which is easier to parse.
for example, JS and earlier forms of BGBScript used:
var x:Foo;
and:
function Foo(x:int):void { ... }
later on, it supported both this and Java style syntax, but the former
had remained dominant.
BS2 can support both, but I instead ended up mostly just doing Java/C#
style declaration syntax for this language instead.
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-11-16 23:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87r2sxzt43.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #122728 |
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:03:54 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> <snip>
>> > Even passing a 2D array to a subroutine is too complicated in C89, and
>> > the C11 method isn't widely enough supported.
>>
>> What's the difference? Every compiler supports the C89 method (and it's
>> still valid in C11) so I'd opt for that every time.
>>
>> > There's also a subtle problem
>> > with the typedef system which I keep understanding then forgetting,
>> > something to do with the type of grammar that describes C.
>>
>> You probably mean the fact that once a name has been defined as a type
>> it plays a different syntactic role compared to other identifiers.
>> Normally
>>
>> x f(void) { return 42; }
>>
>> is a syntax error, but when preceded by typedef int x; it's fine.
>>
> Yes, it means that the grammar isn't what is called "context free" which
> has big implications, but I forget the details.
The implications are largely theoretical (which does not mean some
people won't think they are big) but I don't know of any big practical
implications. Mind you, that's going to depend on the fuzzy notion of a
big implication.
--
Ben.
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| From | supercat@casperkitty.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-11-16 08:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3be608ec-6282-46e8-9c01-db3dc078388f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #122667 |
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:42:10 AM UTC-6, Bart wrote: > If a more convenient language generates C that works on those targets, > then it solves both problems: works around the annoyances (at least you > don't have to deal with them), and still works on the same targets. > However that solution won't work for you because you rely on so much > more than just the bare language, and use tools not adapted to that > other language. Unfortunately, a language which targets C will suffer from any semantic limitations imposed by the target compiler; any compiler which attempts to target "portable" C will thus either have to generate monstrously- inefficient code or else be limited to semantics that the Standard would mandate on all compilers, including those targeting platforms or application fields for which the other language isn't designed.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-11-15 16:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ouim34$ila$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #122587 |
On 11/15/2017 12:10 AM, David Brown wrote: > On 15/11/17 00:19, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> "The long goodbye to C" by Eric Raymond >>> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7711 >>> >>> "I was thinking a couple of days ago about the new wave of systems >>> languages now challenging C for its place at the top of the >>> systems-programming heap – Go and Rust, in particular. I reached a >>> startling realization – I have 35 years of experience in C. I write C >>> code pretty much every week, but I can no longer remember when I last >>> started a new project in C!" >>> >>> I doubt it. >>> >>> Lynn >> >> It's true. Unless C evolves, it will be slowly relegated to only >> niche markets, and will die as a language for any real projects. > > So what? If a language is not suitable for new projects, then that is > because there are better choices - so use them. Lots of languages and > tools that were fantastic in their day are no longer particularly > relevant. How many new projects are written in Pascal? Fortran? > Basic? The answer is a few - they are still the best choice in niche cases. > > C needs to evolve to allow us to work with existing C code, and to allow > us to write code in C in situations where C is still the best language > choice. It does not need to move into new areas, or make big changes - > that would reduce its usefulness in existing situations where simplicity > and stability are key. C will /never/ be a modern language, and no > amount of "evolution" will make it one - when you put enough into C to > get a modern language you end up with C++, Objective-C, Rust, etc. - all > fine languages for their use, and all tracing their roots back to C, but > none of them /are/ C. > >> >> The whole purpose of CAlive is to inject new life into C by bringing >> forward some of the features of other languages, and to introduce new >> features, while maintaining backward compatibility. > > > CAlive is not C - it is a totally different language designed in a > different way for a different purpose. That is absolutely fine Imvvho, Rick should try to make an online version of CAlive's current state so that we can start creating some programs. It would be fun. > - we > don't need another C, because we already /have/ C. Make your language > the way you want, but stop trying to kid yourself that it is the "future > of C" or "evolved C". Adding some way to support C code does not make > it an enhanced C any more than a C compiler's "asm" statement means that > C is an enhanced assembly. > >> >> It is obvious to anyone who is looking: C is dying quickly due to >> the age of visual languages, and computers fast enough to run much >> slower code written in other languages faster than the fastest C >> could do on the CPUs available earlier this century. >> > > Again, so what? If it makes more sense to write a program in Python, or > Rust, or APL - then write the program in those languages. There can be > many good reasons for choosing C as the language for a new project - > "because it is C" is /not/ one of them. > >> The times, they are a changin'. >> > > True. So change with them, rather than clinging on to the past. > > There are plenty of "niche areas" for C as yet. People who want to > program in C will find lots to do for a long time to come. It is only > the people that insist that they will use C regardless of the task, that > will have trouble. >
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