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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-03-02 17:13 -0600 |
| Last post | 2024-03-12 16:00 -0300 |
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"White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2024-03-02 17:13 -0600
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 00:05 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 13:42 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" John McCue <jmccue@neutron.jmcunx.com> - 2024-03-03 02:10 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-03 02:23 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-03 11:11 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 03:30 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-03 08:54 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 20:11 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 13:49 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-03 22:11 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 23:27 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-07 06:46 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-03 08:52 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-03 11:10 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-03 12:01 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-03 16:03 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-03 18:18 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-03 21:23 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 14:01 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-04 09:44 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 11:38 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:46 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:36 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:41 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-05 10:01 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 12:51 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 11:43 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 14:18 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-08 13:23 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-09 13:25 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-09 14:16 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-09 14:18 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 23:31 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-04 17:05 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-04 18:24 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-05 02:46 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-05 11:23 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 20:10 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 14:06 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-03 23:29 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 15:53 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-04 01:00 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 11:44 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-04 21:07 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-05 00:59 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-05 01:54 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 22:18 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-05 07:06 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 23:10 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-05 11:11 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-05 22:58 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-06 14:02 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-06 12:28 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-07 00:00 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-07 11:35 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-07 13:44 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-07 16:36 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-07 17:18 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-03-08 14:41 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 15:07 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-08 15:15 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 17:55 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-08 10:08 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-29 00:05 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 17:14 -0700
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-29 01:58 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 19:01 -0700
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-29 04:28 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 13:40 -0700
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" paavo512 <paavo@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-04-29 12:45 +0300
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 13:42 -0700
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-30 16:46 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-07 16:35 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 08:25 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-08 12:57 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 15:32 +0100
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-08 16:57 +0200
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-29 00:02 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2024-04-29 08:55 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 01:45 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2024-03-06 14:30 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 01:46 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 18:00 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-07 02:37 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 20:36 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 01:44 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 15:39 -0700
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-03-04 00:44 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:57 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 13:48 -0800
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-03 15:31 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 00:09 -0600
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-05 07:07 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-05 14:56 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-03 22:14 +0000
Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 14:15 -0800
[OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-03-04 16:39 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-04 17:21 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-07 06:48 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 23:01 -0800
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-07 08:15 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-07 08:23 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-03-07 10:20 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 06:23 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 06:21 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-07 14:34 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-07 07:58 -0800
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-03-07 18:09 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-07 14:39 -0500
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-03-07 11:23 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 06:27 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-08 23:27 -0800
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 12:21 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-03-09 15:02 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 23:11 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-03-21 14:47 +0300
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-03-09 10:40 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-03-09 11:56 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-03-10 14:03 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-03-10 19:07 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 12:25 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-03-09 13:11 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-09 23:13 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-03-10 00:13 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-10 10:17 +0200
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-10 13:35 +0000
Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-10 17:15 +0000
avoiding strdup() (was: Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-03-09 13:19 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2024-03-09 15:25 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-09 16:37 -0800
Re: avoiding strdup() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-10 10:11 +0200
Re: avoiding strdup() Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-10 13:38 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-10 17:12 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-10 18:47 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-03-10 19:20 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 16:23 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-11 18:50 +0200
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-11 17:05 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-11 19:35 +0200
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-11 18:06 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-11 20:29 +0200
Re: avoiding strdup() Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 19:57 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 10:13 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-11 17:58 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 11:28 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-11 17:58 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 11:30 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 19:45 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 13:11 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-11 17:00 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-11 17:52 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-11 18:10 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-11 19:11 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 12:34 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 01:12 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 18:20 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 15:40 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 15:31 -0700
Re: avoiding strdup() Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 09:50 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-12 15:55 +0000
Re: avoiding strdup() Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 22:44 +0000
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Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-05 04:43 +0000
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Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-06 00:25 +0000
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Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:42 +0000
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Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:44 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 01:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <usb671$n7qm$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383411 |
On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 12:28:59 +0000, bart wrote: > This suggests the language automatically takes care of this. But you > have to write your programs in a certain way to make it possible. You are forced to by default, because if you don’t follow the rules, that’s a compile-time error.
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| From | aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid |
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| Date | 2024-03-06 14:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <AhadnbI2nKS_43X4nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #383410 |
In comp.lang.c Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:58:10 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:11:03 +0200, Michael S wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 01:54:46 -0000 (UTC) >> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> Discord did some benchmarking of its back-end servers, which had >> >> been using Go, and decided that switching to Rust offered better >> >> performance. >> > >> > - for big and complex real-world back-end processing, writing >> > working solution in go will take 5 time less man hours than writing >> > it in Rust >> >> Nevertheless, they found the switch to Rust worthwhile. > > I read a little more about it. > https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust > > Summary: performance of one of Discord's most heavy-duty servers > suffered from weakness in implementation of Go garbage collector. On > average the performance was satisfactory, but every two minutes there > was spike in latency. The latency during the spike was not that big > (300 msec), but they stilled were feeling that they want better. ... > I have few questions about the story, most important one is whether the > weakness of this sort is specific to GC of Go, due to its relative > immaturity I'm sure it is. 300ms is terrible. > or more general and applies equally to most mature GCs on the > market, i.e. J2EE and .NET. Continuously-compacting concurrent collectors like those available for Java aim for less than 10ms, and often hit 1ms. You have to stop each thread briefly to scan its stack and do a few other things, but that's all. Andrew.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 01:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <usb69e$n7qm$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383417 |
On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:30:58 +0000, aph wrote: > Continuously-compacting concurrent collectors like those available for > Java aim for less than 10ms, and often hit 1ms. What ... a 1ms potential delay every time you want to allocate a new object??
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-06 18:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <usb74f$ndi1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383434 |
On 3/6/2024 5:46 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:30:58 +0000, aph wrote: > >> Continuously-compacting concurrent collectors like those available for >> Java aim for less than 10ms, and often hit 1ms. > > What ... a 1ms potential delay every time you want to allocate a new > object?? GC can be a no go for certain schemes. GC can be fine and it has its place.
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 02:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20240306183330.115@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #383435 |
On 2024-03-07, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/6/2024 5:46 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:30:58 +0000, aph wrote: >> >>> Continuously-compacting concurrent collectors like those available for >>> Java aim for less than 10ms, and often hit 1ms. >> >> What ... a 1ms potential delay every time you want to allocate a new >> object?? > > GC can be a no go for certain schemes. GC can be fine and it has its place. It is the situations where GC cannot be used that are niches that have their place. Everywhere else, you can use GC. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-06 20:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <usbg7h$sjac$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383436 |
On 3/6/2024 6:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2024-03-07, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 3/6/2024 5:46 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:30:58 +0000, aph wrote: >>> >>>> Continuously-compacting concurrent collectors like those available for >>>> Java aim for less than 10ms, and often hit 1ms. >>> >>> What ... a 1ms potential delay every time you want to allocate a new >>> object?? >> >> GC can be a no go for certain schemes. GC can be fine and it has its place. > > It is the situations where GC cannot be used that are niches that have > their place. Everywhere else, you can use GC. > Touche! :^)
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 01:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <usb65o$n7qm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383410 |
On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 14:02:14 +0200, Michael S wrote: > Another factor is that their service does not create/free that many > objects. The delay was caused by mere fact of GC scanning rather than > by frequent compacting of memory pools. In other words, a GC language could not even cope reasonably with a light memory-management load.
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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-14 15:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <86r0gcphet.fsf@linuxsc.com> |
| In reply to | #383410 |
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:58:10 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:11:03 +0200, Michael S wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 01:54:46 -0000 (UTC) >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Discord did some benchmarking of its back-end servers, which had >>>> been using Go, and decided that switching to Rust offered better >>>> performance. >>> >>> - for big and complex real-world back-end processing, writing >>> working solution in go will take 5 time less man hours than >>> writing it in Rust >> >> Nevertheless, they found the switch to Rust worthwhile. > > I read a little more about it. > https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust > > Summary: performance of one of Discord's most heavy-duty servers > suffered from weakness in implementation of Go garbage collector. > [...] > > I have few questions about the story, most important one is > whether the weakness of this sort is specific to GC of Go, due > to its relative immaturity or more general and applies equally > to most mature GCs on the market, i.e. J2EE and .NET. After reading the article, it seems clear that the design of the GC used in Go is not a good fit to the Discord server workload. That is not to say that Go's GC would be a bad fit for other workloads, only that it's not a good choice for the Discord server. Also it seems clear that other approaches to GC design (meant in the sense of already having been thought of and tried) would be just fine for the Discord server. Of course whether such schemes would be a good fit for the Go environment is a separate question (and one about which I have nothing to offer since I know very little about Go). > Another question is whether the problem is specific to GC-style > of automatic memory management (AMM) or applies, at least to > some degree, to other forms of AMM, most importantly, to AMMs > based on Reference Counting used by Swift and also popular in > C++. It's very hard to make a blanket statement that applies to all the different approaches to garbage collection, or to other automatic memory management schemes (with reference counting as a specific example), in a general way. My experience with garbage collected environments is that they are perfectly usable both for long-term use and for interactive use. Reference counting too: typically RC gives a smoother feel, but that comes at a cost, because RC does not, by itself, reclaim circular structures. That means that either, one, code must be written to break the circularity of such structures (so memory management is not fully automated); or two, periodically some sort of more general GC method must be invoked to reclaim them; or three, eventually more and more memory is used to where the application must be rebooted (like the memory usage patterns of some popular web browsers). The question is what kind of workloads need to be supported - some schemes are good for typical interactive, but short-term, applications, other schemes are better for the sort of long-term server processes like the Discord example. The space of already existing techniques for doing GC is pretty large - if a particular kind of workload needs to be supported, there is a very good chance that an appropriate GC scheme can be found without much difficulty. Incidentally, there is no such thing as a fully automatic memory management system. Even full garbage collection sometimes needs help from the programmer so all memory is eventually reclaimed. (If you're feeling brave try doing a web search for "ephemeron".) The point of all AMM schemes is not to reduce the amount of programmer effort to zero but simply to greatly reduce it (and hopefully reduce it to zero in many of the most common cases). But for complicated programs it's almost inevitable that some programmer-written code needs to be included to help whatever automated mechanisms are used. > Of course, I don't expected that my questions will be answered > fully on comp.lang.c, but if some knowledgeable posters will try > to answer I would appreciate. The questions presented were somewhat general, and so the answers given are also rather general. In spite of that I hope you found what you're looking for.
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2024-03-04 00:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <us35hp$22nd8$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #383281 |
In article <us2s96$2n6h3$6@dont-email.me>, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: ... >Sure. Putting corks on the forks reduces the chance of eye injuries. >Fwiw, a YouTube link to a scene in the movie Dirty Rotten Scoundrels: >Funny to me: > > >https://youtu.be/eF8QAeQm3ZM?t=332 Leader Keith gets mad when you post YouTube URLs here. I'd be more careful, if I were you. >Putting the cork on the fork is akin to saying nobody should be using C >and/or C++ in this "modern" age? :^) -- The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4 lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL: http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/ModernXtian
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-04 12:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <us5cjh$3b8mq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383291 |
On 3/3/2024 4:44 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote: > In article <us2s96$2n6h3$6@dont-email.me>, > Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: > ... >> Sure. Putting corks on the forks reduces the chance of eye injuries. >> Fwiw, a YouTube link to a scene in the movie Dirty Rotten Scoundrels: >> Funny to me: >> >> >> https://youtu.be/eF8QAeQm3ZM?t=332 > > Leader Keith gets mad when you post YouTube URLs here. > > I'd be more careful, if I were you. Well, at least I added in a description... ;^) > >> Putting the cork on the fork is akin to saying nobody should be using C >> and/or C++ in this "modern" age? :^)
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-03 13:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <us2r7l$2n6h3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383257 |
On 3/3/2024 3:01 AM, David Brown wrote: > On 03/03/2024 00:13, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" >> >> https://www.pcmag.com/news/white-house-to-developers-using-c-plus-plus-invites-cybersecurity-risks >> >> "The Biden administration backs a switch to more memory-safe >> programming languages. The tech industry sees their point, but it >> won't be easy." >> >> No. The feddies want to regulate software development very much. >> They have been talking about it for at least 20 years now. This is a >> very bad thing. >> >> Lynn > > It's the wrong solution to the wrong problem. > > It is not languages like C and C++ that are "unsafe". It is the > programmers that write the code for them. As long as the people > programming in Rust or other modern languages are the more capable and > qualified developers - the ones who think about memory safety, correct > code, testing, and quality software development - then code written in > Rust will be better quality and safer than the average C, C++, Java and > C# code. Then we will hear about how human programmers cannot be trusted... AI is there. No programmers needed now. Jesting, of course, but I have heard some people starting to think that way. > > But if it gets popular enough for schools and colleges to teach Rust > programming course to the masses, and it gets used by developers who are > paid per KLoC, given responsibilities well beyond their abilities and > experience, lead by incompetent managers, untrained in good development > practices and pushed to impossible deadlines, then the average quality > of programs in Rust will drop to that of average C and C++ code. > > Good languages and good tools help, but they are not the root cause of > poor quality software in the world. >
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2024-03-03 15:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7J0FN.35692$zF_1.20904@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #383248 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >"White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" > >https://www.pcmag.com/news/white-house-to-developers-using-c-plus-plus-invites-cybersecurity-risks > >"The Biden administration backs a switch to more memory-safe programming >languages. The tech industry sees their point, but it won't be easy." > >No. The feddies want to regulate software development very much. You've been reading far to much apocalyptic fiction and seeing the world through trump-colored glasses. Neither reflect reality.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-05 00:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <us6cv0$3khma$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383262 |
On 3/3/2024 9:31 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >> "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" >> >> https://www.pcmag.com/news/white-house-to-developers-using-c-plus-plus-invites-cybersecurity-risks >> >> "The Biden administration backs a switch to more memory-safe programming >> languages. The tech industry sees their point, but it won't be easy." >> >> No. The feddies want to regulate software development very much. > > You've been reading far to much apocalyptic fiction and seeing the > world through trump-colored glasses. Neither reflect reality. Nope, I actually have had a Professional Engineer's License in Texas for 34 years now and can tell you all about what it takes to get one and what it takes to keep one. This bunch of crazies in the White House wants to do the same thing to software development. Lynn
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-05 07:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <us6gbc$3l59s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383370 |
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 00:09:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote: > ... I actually have had a Professional Engineer's License in Texas for > 34 years now and can tell you all about what it takes to get one and > what it takes to keep one. Does that include any qualification in safety-critical or security- critical systems?
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2024-03-05 14:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <_oGFN.115185$m4d.106428@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #383370 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >On 3/3/2024 9:31 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>> "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" >>> >>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/white-house-to-developers-using-c-plus-plus-invites-cybersecurity-risks >>> >>> "The Biden administration backs a switch to more memory-safe programming >>> languages. The tech industry sees their point, but it won't be easy." >>> >>> No. The feddies want to regulate software development very much. >> >> You've been reading far to much apocalyptic fiction and seeing the >> world through trump-colored glasses. Neither reflect reality. > >Nope, I actually have had a Professional Engineer's License in Texas for >34 years now and can tell you all about what it takes to get one and >what it takes to keep one. > >This bunch of crazies in the White House wants to do the same thing to >software development. > Nothing in the quoted article supports your ridiculous assertion.
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| From | Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-03 22:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$4fc39$61bdfbef$3ca9a71a$af842694@invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #383248 |
Frankly, i think we should all be programming in macros over assembly anyway. -- Blue-Maned_HawkÃÃÃÃâshortens to HawkÃÃÃÃâ/ blu.mÃin.dÃÃÃÃÃðak/ ÃÃÃÃâhe/him/his/himself/Mr. blue-maned_hawk.srht.site You have a disease!
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-03 14:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <us2spc$2niko$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #383283 |
On 3/3/2024 2:14 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote: > Frankly, i think we should all be programming in macros over assembly > anyway. > > > lol! :^D
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-03-04 16:39 +0000 |
| Subject | [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" |
| Message-ID | <87y1ayj6hs.fsf_-_@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #383283 |
Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> writes: <cut> Since you are clearly happy to post using UTF-8, can I urge you to fix your sig so that it comes out looking right? -- Ben.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2024-03-04 17:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" |
| Message-ID | <8qnFN.85290$5Hnd.44805@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #383307 |
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes: >Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> writes: ><cut> > >Since you are clearly happy to post using UTF-8, can I urge you to fix >your sig so that it comes out looking right? I'd rather see blue-maned hawk revert to plain ASCII, myself. As it is, I just ignore those posts as being unreadable.
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| From | Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 06:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] UTF-8 sig. Was: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" |
| Message-ID | <pan$e9f7e$d6f7a386$31c353e8$a08c13cf@invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #383307 |
Ben Bacarisse wrote: > Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> writes: > <cut> > > Since you are clearly happy to post using UTF-8, can I urge you to fix > your sig so that it comes out looking right? Since it is my newsreader that is corrupting it, it is the fault of the newsreader, and therefore not within my jurisdiction of a problem to fix. -- Blue-Maned_HawkÃÃÃÃâshortens to HawkÃÃÃÃâ/ blu.mÃin.dÃÃÃÃÃðak/ ÃÃÃÃâhe/him/his/himself/Mr. blue-maned_hawk.srht.site (cat's eyes removed)
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