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| Started by | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-07-12 07:18 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-07-23 03:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 968 — 32 participants |
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you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-12 07:18 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 01:37 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2023-07-13 10:16 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 04:27 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 05:01 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> - 2023-07-13 14:10 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-13 17:51 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-13 18:56 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-13 19:39 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-13 20:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-13 22:29 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-14 00:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 06:43 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-14 11:47 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 11:04 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 21:01 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 21:21 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 13:52 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 12:08 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 17:10 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 21:32 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 22:04 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 21:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 21:35 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-15 14:30 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-15 16:36 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 15:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 16:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-16 01:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 16:25 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-16 11:07 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 05:42 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-16 16:17 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 07:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 09:57 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 10:34 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-16 10:41 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-16 20:55 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-17 01:54 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 02:43 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 03:16 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 14:54 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 07:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 16:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 17:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-21 00:05 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-21 16:52 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-17 17:21 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 09:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 21:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-17 15:10 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-17 18:46 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 21:27 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2023-07-20 20:40 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-20 19:27 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2023-07-20 22:16 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-20 19:17 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 16:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 09:17 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 21:41 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 23:02 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-17 08:22 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 15:01 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 15:01 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-18 09:26 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 00:33 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 00:35 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 00:37 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-18 13:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 17:56 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 09:13 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 12:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 01:24 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 15:06 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-17 23:11 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 15:30 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 00:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-18 01:28 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 02:20 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-18 02:12 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-18 03:25 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-18 09:55 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 12:29 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 02:29 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 09:16 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 12:38 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 14:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 14:12 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 16:33 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 16:37 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-19 16:55 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 19:44 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 12:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2023-07-18 12:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 14:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-18 16:36 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 17:59 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 09:45 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 03:31 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-19 06:01 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 01:19 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 03:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 04:30 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 15:28 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 15:12 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 15:23 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 10:44 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 15:37 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-19 23:01 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 16:43 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 10:41 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 00:24 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 16:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 17:30 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 17:50 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 22:46 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 09:57 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 02:24 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 13:33 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 02:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 18:28 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 11:21 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 03:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 12:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 15:05 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 14:42 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 16:22 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 16:40 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 18:56 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 20:26 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-21 21:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-22 18:34 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-22 20:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 14:34 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 23:03 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 15:30 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 21:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-22 11:41 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 04:15 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 15:51 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-22 19:05 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 00:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 16:38 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 01:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-23 13:45 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 15:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-23 17:54 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 17:56 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 11:03 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-23 20:15 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 20:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 09:50 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-24 10:58 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 06:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-24 14:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-24 18:42 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-05 10:22 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 18:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 18:32 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 20:00 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-06 01:42 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-14 04:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-14 18:22 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-25 19:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 21:09 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 00:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 11:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 03:31 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 16:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-27 00:47 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-26 21:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 20:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 21:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 02:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 02:42 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-27 17:36 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-27 05:50 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-27 20:03 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 11:04 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 03:34 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-12 10:57 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 16:37 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 08:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 15:48 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-15 13:05 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-15 14:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-25 20:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 20:19 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 14:52 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-21 16:14 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 12:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-22 18:29 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-22 21:56 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 16:11 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-23 00:45 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-23 17:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 17:28 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-23 16:45 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 10:04 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 07:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-23 22:10 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 14:51 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-23 23:12 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 15:19 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 20:25 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-24 17:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 09:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-25 02:52 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 17:37 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-24 16:19 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-24 20:34 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-25 02:42 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-25 10:36 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-25 16:41 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-25 16:22 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-25 17:40 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-26 02:40 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 11:30 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-26 06:41 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-27 01:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 01:55 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 18:03 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-27 03:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 11:50 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-27 02:50 +0000
Overflow and undefined behaviour (WAS: you think rust may outthrone c?) Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 16:43 +0000
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour (WAS: you think rust may outthrone c?) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 19:15 +0200
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour (WAS: you think rust may outthrone c?) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-25 18:43 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 15:03 -0700
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 04:10 +0000
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 21:51 -0700
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-26 22:07 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-26 21:55 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 22:26 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 17:26 -0700
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-27 01:38 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2023-08-13 14:53 +0300
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-13 13:07 +0100
What's wrong? The phrasing, that's what! (Was: Overflow and undefined behaviour) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-08-13 13:16 +0000
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-13 16:25 +0100
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2023-08-14 12:10 +0300
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-14 04:33 -0700
Re: Overflow and undefined behaviour Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2023-08-14 14:56 +0300
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-25 17:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-25 20:55 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-28 02:46 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 15:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-24 22:33 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-24 09:45 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 14:29 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-26 07:03 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 07:41 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 16:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-26 15:21 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 19:13 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-26 18:41 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-26 22:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-27 13:34 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 05:15 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-27 15:14 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 06:31 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-27 16:17 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 07:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-27 20:45 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-04 00:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-04 18:29 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 11:35 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-05 06:09 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 14:30 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-27 16:48 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 17:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 09:45 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 19:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-01 18:10 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-01 15:00 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 15:41 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-01 16:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 17:50 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-01 17:04 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 18:25 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-01 18:26 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-01 19:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-01 17:41 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 21:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 03:41 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-02 12:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 05:01 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-02 17:04 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 09:10 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-02 23:48 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 15:25 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-03 11:42 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 02:15 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 14:20 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-04 17:12 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 08:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-04 18:04 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 09:17 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-05 13:39 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 05:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 17:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 16:35 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-08 16:41 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 18:46 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 10:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 17:53 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 10:41 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-08 18:55 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 00:26 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 16:51 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 20:23 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 13:42 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 05:32 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 13:00 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-09 05:35 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 05:48 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 14:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 13:06 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-09 13:44 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2023-08-09 14:00 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 15:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 07:15 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-09 15:48 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 08:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-09 15:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 16:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-09 15:50 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 17:51 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-09 21:51 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 13:16 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:18 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 00:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 19:10 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 16:24 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 14:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 17:18 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 17:38 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 13:35 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2023-08-15 17:51 +0300
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 17:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-15 16:01 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2023-08-15 23:11 +0300
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-15 15:48 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-02 23:40 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-02 17:58 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-02 19:07 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-02 22:13 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 02:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-03 02:34 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 11:39 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 15:10 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-03 17:37 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 18:56 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-05 23:11 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-06 00:21 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-06 00:54 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-06 11:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-06 17:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-06 17:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 14:40 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-06 23:04 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:19 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-06 23:33 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 17:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 01:52 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 18:12 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 10:35 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-07 07:41 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 04:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 14:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-07 16:13 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:40 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-07 17:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 09:43 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-08 00:51 +0100
Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-10 15:38 +0100
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 16:26 +0100
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 16:35 +0100
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 16:31 +0000
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 11:13 -0700
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 18:26 +0000
Re: Making accountants cross (wa Re: you think rust may outthrone c?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 11:30 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 17:39 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 18:35 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-07 21:51 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-07 23:53 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 01:28 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-07 22:21 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 12:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 04:13 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-08 08:22 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 15:16 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-08 09:15 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 18:33 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-08 21:58 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 11:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 11:53 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-09 05:10 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 13:57 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-08 08:55 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 18:23 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:28 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:17 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 01:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 18:31 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-08 00:43 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-08 06:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-08 15:56 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-08 08:35 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-09 02:44 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-09 05:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-07 16:20 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-08-07 13:10 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:24 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-07 22:46 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 14:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 01:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 17:59 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 11:34 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-08 08:34 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 14:51 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 23:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-08 22:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 00:33 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-08 23:50 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-09 04:07 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 14:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-03 17:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 18:39 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-03 02:12 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 20:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-03 23:42 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 15:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-04 07:44 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-04 07:14 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-04 17:14 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-04 13:56 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 15:25 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-04 17:05 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 22:32 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-04 17:46 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-04 21:47 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 00:43 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 00:15 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 01:33 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 02:11 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 11:00 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-06 16:50 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-06 18:40 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-07 00:31 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-04 22:44 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 10:46 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-06 07:53 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-07 11:53 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-06 16:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-04 19:50 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 02:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-05 14:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-05 17:38 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-06 07:56 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-06 13:38 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-07 14:12 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 16:03 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-07 16:24 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 17:54 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-07 14:16 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 05:45 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-07 22:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-07 22:19 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-07 22:40 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 18:07 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-08 05:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 15:31 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 18:17 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:31 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 22:27 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 18:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-08 16:39 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 00:37 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 18:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:32 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 19:36 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 11:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 12:57 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 12:32 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 03:59 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 12:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-08 08:40 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 12:17 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 18:00 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-04 19:25 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 13:11 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 04:22 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 14:45 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 06:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-08 15:39 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:36 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-09 02:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 12:36 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 14:05 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 15:31 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 14:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 16:11 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 15:49 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 21:05 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-08 09:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 16:27 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 16:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 16:42 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-08 18:38 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:47 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 19:14 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-08 10:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 17:32 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 10:47 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-09 03:04 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 19:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 11:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 11:36 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 11:58 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 14:29 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 16:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 14:17 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-09 11:05 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 13:32 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 14:32 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 15:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:48 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 16:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-09 15:52 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 18:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 16:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-12 10:36 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 02:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-13 08:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-13 07:07 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-13 07:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-13 08:24 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:10 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 00:18 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 08:08 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-13 03:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 06:16 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 15:53 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 08:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-13 17:36 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-13 03:38 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-12 12:12 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-13 09:30 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 16:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-13 17:48 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-13 18:53 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 20:41 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 20:40 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-14 04:28 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-14 15:52 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-14 16:06 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:19 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-15 14:33 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 17:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-15 15:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-15 15:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-15 15:27 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-11 08:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 11:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-11 10:50 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 13:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-11 13:32 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-11 07:33 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-11 15:38 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-11 16:45 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 10:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 18:35 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-11 20:33 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 22:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 22:59 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-11 23:25 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-12 00:26 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:24 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-11 21:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 14:55 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-11 21:38 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 22:46 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:32 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-12 12:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 15:34 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-11 15:39 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 17:26 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-11 16:53 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 18:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 18:46 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:35 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 19:43 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-13 09:34 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-13 16:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-13 17:38 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:37 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-15 14:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-15 16:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 17:25 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-15 16:00 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2023-08-11 10:05 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 11:48 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-09 15:06 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 16:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-10 09:38 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 10:51 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-09 15:57 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-10 00:15 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 00:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 17:02 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:27 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 00:01 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 00:39 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 17:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 00:21 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 02:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 02:28 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 22:42 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:23 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:10 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:24 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:21 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 03:16 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:25 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 16:18 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 15:53 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 16:15 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 16:59 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-10 10:12 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-10 17:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-10 10:27 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 17:54 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 18:18 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 18:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 14:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 14:56 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 23:17 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 16:06 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 16:20 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 16:38 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 16:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 18:43 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 01:30 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 17:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 07:03 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 07:28 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 07:47 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 08:06 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-11 16:13 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 08:28 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 08:37 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 08:46 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 08:58 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 09:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 18:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 23:09 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-11 01:14 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 05:42 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-11 06:07 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-11 13:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-11 19:41 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:14 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 17:39 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-10 09:40 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 17:48 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 14:45 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-15 13:52 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-15 14:40 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 06:26 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-15 15:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 10:09 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 07:36 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 16:33 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-10 16:57 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-10 01:10 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 16:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-10 09:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 18:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-10 21:04 +0100
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 20:56 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-10 14:20 +0000
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-08 10:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 18:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-09 23:14 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-08 19:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:46 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 00:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 23:54 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 17:52 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-09 02:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 19:01 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 16:57 -0700
Re: you think rust may *DE*throne c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-08 14:03 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 13:13 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-28 23:35 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 19:21 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-29 21:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:45 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 00:05 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-29 11:19 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-29 13:47 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-29 15:10 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-29 16:00 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-29 15:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:22 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:49 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-27 14:07 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-27 16:03 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-01 19:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-01 18:37 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 22:16 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-01 21:53 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-01 23:28 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-02 01:54 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-02 11:14 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-02 18:23 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-02 19:02 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-03 11:28 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 11:53 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-03 11:54 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-02 18:12 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 14:45 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-26 15:02 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 17:08 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 12:38 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 12:29 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 09:46 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 02:29 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-22 21:04 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 14:38 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 07:00 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 17:31 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 14:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 10:55 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-21 03:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-19 12:07 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 15:15 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 17:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-19 17:30 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 19:22 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 20:28 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 16:27 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 17:06 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 20:39 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 20:21 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 15:42 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-19 23:31 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 18:53 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 01:46 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 09:51 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 03:36 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-20 12:13 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 13:06 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 11:28 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-20 16:44 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-07-21 01:22 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 02:03 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-22 15:37 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-20 02:08 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-22 15:43 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 11:07 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-21 02:49 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 10:17 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-21 16:30 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 12:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-22 15:56 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-19 17:22 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-19 21:01 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-19 20:46 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-19 20:47 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-19 21:49 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 11:42 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "minf...@arcor.de" <minforth@arcor.de> - 2023-07-20 05:39 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 14:55 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-20 15:03 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 18:22 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 15:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 10:18 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 13:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-21 10:20 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-20 20:51 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-20 11:38 +0200
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Re: you think rust may outthrone c? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-07-18 14:34 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 08:04 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 21:27 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 12:10 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-18 16:43 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-18 14:59 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 17:44 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-18 00:14 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-18 10:13 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 16:10 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 16:13 -0700
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Re: you think rust may outthrone c? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 16:29 -0700
Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? (Was: you think rust may outthrone c?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 11:24 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 11:30 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 05:20 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 12:29 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 05:46 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 13:01 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 06:07 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 13:26 +0000
Why not? (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 13:32 +0000
Re: Why not? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 13:43 +0000
Re: Why not? (killfiles) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 14:10 +0000
Re: Why not? (killfiles) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 14:28 +0000
Re: Why not? (killfiles) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 18:46 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 06:52 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 02:21 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-07-14 09:14 -0400
Posting for our own amusement (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 13:29 +0000
Re: Posting for our own amusement (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-07-14 07:26 -0700
Re: Posting for our own amusement (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 14:39 +0000
Re: Posting for our own amusement (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 17:30 +0200
Re: Posting for our own amusement (Was: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point?) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 20:53 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 06:30 -0700
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 13:30 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-07-14 12:29 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 12:46 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 20:46 +0000
Re: Yeah, C is harder than many programming languages. Your point? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 21:49 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> - 2023-07-14 20:52 +0800
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 13:16 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 17:34 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 19:11 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 17:26 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2023-07-15 04:42 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-15 12:29 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-15 18:40 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-20 19:05 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 21:25 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 22:30 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 15:48 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 22:56 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-15 14:41 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-15 12:55 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-15 18:46 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-15 17:28 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-15 20:20 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-15 18:42 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-22 06:46 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> - 2023-07-15 14:12 +0800
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 01:05 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-20 18:54 -0700
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-15 08:59 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-07-17 02:26 -0400
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-07-14 20:43 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 21:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 09:32 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-14 07:58 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-07-14 12:56 +0200
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Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 20:47 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-07-17 21:14 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-07-17 21:47 +0100
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 18:26 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-17 17:00 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 20:03 +0200
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-17 20:28 +0000
Re: you think rust may outthrone c? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 18:06 +0200
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Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-17 19:18 +0000
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Re: you think rust may outthrone c? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-07-17 20:26 +0000
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 06:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6783b3a8-b11f-4159-a4d2-165fd2bf8c01n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #171340 |
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 14:14:30 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 14:15, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 12:34:50 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> I can't answer for Scott, but for me it could be int16_t, int32_t or
> >> int64_t, depending on the context - I make sure I use appropriate types
> >> for the calculations I need, balanced with the efficiency requirements
> >> on the particular target.
> >>
> > Take this code
> >
> > void filter(float *out, const float *in, size_t N, const float *filter, size_t Nf)
> > {
> > mysterytype_t index;
> > size_t i, j;
> >
> > for ( i =0; i < N; i=i++)
> > {
> > out[i] = 0.0f;
> > for(j = 0, index = i - Nf/2; j < Nf; j++, index++)
> > {
> > if (index < 0 || index >= N)
> > contiue;
> > out[index] += in[i] * filter[j];
> > }
> > }
> > }
> >
> > What would you use for mysterytype_t?
> >
> I wouldn't. I'd start with index at 0, and adjust the rest of the
> variables to suit. And I would not have partial filter application at
> the ends of the data sample - there's no point in making the inner loop
> significantly slower just to generate incorrect (potentially wildly
> incorrect) and useless results there. The useful output will of size N
> - Nf, not N.
>
> If I really had to include these wrong results, I'd do them separately
> from the main loop - usually with such filters, speed is important and
> you want the inner loop to work neatly - with automatic SIMD processing
> if the compiler and target support it.
>
What to do with the sample edges is one of those problems which doesn't
have a good answer. Here the samples beyond the input are set to zero.
Which is often what you want.
You Fourier transform the signal if speed is a problem.
But yes, there's a lot you could do to optimise this simple filter code. But
that's not the job.
>
> If I /really/ had to include the wrong results, and /really/ wanted to
> do them at the same time, I'd take advantage of the fact that (2N + Nf)
> <= SIZE_MAX to know what types I could safely use in the arithmetic.
> (If the various arrays could overlap, the algorithm would have to be
> changed dramatically. Oh, and I'd remember that this is the 21st
> century, and add "restrict" to the parameters.)
>
But you haven't answered the question, which is a victory for Bart. There
is no type we can use for mysterytype_t which is really satisfactory.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 16:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u9tu9f$1t5jb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171342 |
On 27/07/2023 15:31, Malcolm McLean wrote: > But you haven't answered the question, which is a victory for Bart. There > is no type we can use for mysterytype_t which is really satisfactory. > If you wanted an artificial question to provoke an answer of "there is no good answer", why not just ask for a C type that is guaranteed to have more than 64 bits? My answer to your question was, I think, a lot more informative - it showed that in realistic situations when there is apparently a problem picking a type, it is more likely that there is a problem with the code or algorithm, or at least better ways to formulate it. However, if you were to simply ask "what type should you use in C for 65 bits signed", there is no suitable type in standard C. You could use common 64-bit compiler extensions such as __int128 or similar names, or you would have to build one manually from two 64-bit integer types. But this is nothing new or surprising to anyone.
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 07:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <47ae2689-2012-43a3-a0ab-db755a57a7b4n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #171346 |
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 15:17:33 UTC+1, David Brown wrote: > On 27/07/2023 15:31, Malcolm McLean wrote: > > > But you haven't answered the question, which is a victory for Bart. There > > is no type we can use for mysterytype_t which is really satisfactory. > > > If you wanted an artificial question to provoke an answer of "there is > no good answer", why not just ask for a C type that is guaranteed to > have more than 64 bits? > > My answer to your question was, I think, a lot more informative - it > showed that in realistic situations when there is apparently a problem > picking a type, it is more likely that there is a problem with the code > or algorithm, or at least better ways to formulate it. > You can always code round problems. So if you are banned from using signed types, there are ways and means of writing code so that you can still obtain correct answer, even if the straightforwards thing to do would be to generate a negative integer. But there's basically nothing wrong with the filter code. It's not terribly efficient, but in a lot of contexts, that doesn't matter, and it's far preferable to have simple code which can be easily checked, and written very quickly, rather than a complicated solution. > > However, if you were to simply ask "what type should you use in C for 65 > bits signed", there is no suitable type in standard C. You could use > common 64-bit compiler extensions such as __int128 or similar names, or > you would have to build one manually from two 64-bit integer types. But > this is nothing new or surprising to anyone. > It's quite likely that size_t is 64 bits. If size_t is 32 bits, it's just possible that the sample size plus the filter size overflows a size_t (it would have to be an odd architecture with non-flat memory spaces). If we make index an int64_t then we are safe. But it's slow. However you can argue that since the function is slower than it needs to be anyway, a bit of a further slowdown won't hurt.
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 20:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <878rb1gmur.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #171338 |
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> Take this code
Is this obviously not real code. That does not normally matter, but I
think you've ended up with something that can't illustrate the problem
you have in mind.
> void filter(float *out, const float *in, size_t N, const float *filter, size_t Nf)
> {
> mysterytype_t index;
> size_t i, j;
>
> for ( i =0; i < N; i=i++)
The assignment to i is UB. Looks like a typo for either i=i+1 or i++.
> {
> out[i] = 0.0f;
> for(j = 0, index = i - Nf/2; j < Nf; j++, index++)
> {
> if (index < 0 || index >= N)
Here, it looks like index is supposed to be a signed type, but it gets
assigned a value with (probable) unsigned type (i - Nf/2) and is only
ever incremented.
> contiue;
typo
> out[index] += in[i] * filter[j];
> }
> }
> }
>
> What would you use for mysterytype_t?
As the code stands (with the typos corrected) an unsigned type like
size_t would work, but I don't think that's what you were asking.
Something is wrong in the rest of the code.
--
Ben.
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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-04 00:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <86msz7gtnj.fsf@linuxsc.com> |
| In reply to | #171365 |
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
[some whitespace editing done to avoid long lines]
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Take this code
>
> Is this obviously not real code. That does not normally matter,
> but I think you've ended up with something that can't illustrate
> the problem you have in mind.
>
>> void filter(
>> float *out, const float *in, size_t N,
>> const float *filter, size_t Nf
>> ){
>> mysterytype_t index;
>> size_t i, j;
>>
>> for ( i =0; i < N; i=i++)
>
> The assignment to i is UB. Looks like a typo for either i=i+1 or
> i++.
>
>> {
>> out[i] = 0.0f;
>> for(j = 0, index = i - Nf/2; j < Nf; j++, index++)
>> {
>> if (index < 0 || index >= N)
>
> Here, it looks like index is supposed to be a signed type, but it
> gets assigned a value with (probable) unsigned type (i - Nf/2) and
> is only ever incremented.
>
>> contiue;
>
> typo
>
>> out[index] += in[i] * filter[j];
>> }
>> }
>> }
>>
>> What would you use for mysterytype_t?
>
> As the code stands (with the typos corrected) an unsigned type
> like size_t would work, but I don't think that's what you were
> asking. Something is wrong in the rest of the code.
I'm happy to see you gave a followup for this code. I was
hoping you would.
It looks like the code is trying (and failing) to perform a
convolution. It isn't hard to code a convolve function using
only unsigned index types, and the resulting code is simpler
than if signed types were used (because the range tests can
be folded into a single comparison). Something along these
lines:
typedef unsigned long Index;
void
convolve(
float *out, const float *in, Index N, const float *filter, Index Nf
){
Index i, j;
for( i = 0; i < N; i++ ){
float t = 0;
for( j = 0; j < Nf; j++ ){
Index k = i + j - Nf/2;
if( k >= N ) continue;
t += in[k] * filter[j];
}
out[i] = t;
}
}
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-04 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20230804111508.781@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #171587 |
On 2023-08-04, Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
> typedef unsigned long Index;
>
> void
> convolve(
> float *out, const float *in, Index N, const float *filter, Index Nf
> ){
> Index i, j;
>
> for( i = 0; i < N; i++ ){
> float t = 0;
> for( j = 0; j < Nf; j++ ){
> Index k = i + j - Nf/2;
> if( k >= N ) continue;
> t += in[k] * filter[j];
> }
> out[i] = t;
> }
> }
This looks like a (cross-)correlation, unless filter[] is assumed to be
prepared backwards; i.e. i and j are values map to the same domain (such
as time) where increasing values of j correspond to decreasing domain
values.
(Or it doesn't matter for some other reason, like filter[] being
a palindrome.)
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-04 11:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <937e94d6-1937-4327-a5e5-dbf399f61402n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #171631 |
On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 19:29:32 UTC+1, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2023-08-04, Tim Rentsch <tr.1...@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
> > typedef unsigned long Index;
> >
> > void
> > convolve(
> > float *out, const float *in, Index N, const float *filter, Index Nf
> > ){
> > Index i, j;
> >
> > for( i = 0; i < N; i++ ){
> > float t = 0;
> > for( j = 0; j < Nf; j++ ){
> > Index k = i + j - Nf/2;
> > if( k >= N ) continue;
> > t += in[k] * filter[j];
> > }
> > out[i] = t;
> > }
> > }
> This looks like a (cross-)correlation, unless filter[] is assumed to be
> prepared backwards; i.e. i and j are values map to the same domain (such
> as time) where increasing values of j correspond to decreasing domain
> values.
>
> (Or it doesn't matter for some other reason, like filter[] being
> a palindrome.)
>
It gets very headachy because unless the sizes are very small, you usually
have to implement it in the frequency domain. Which has its own logic.
But naively, "filter" would take a signal and a filter going in the same direction.
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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-05 06:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <86o7jlfxev.fsf@linuxsc.com> |
| In reply to | #171631 |
Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> writes:
> On 2023-08-04, Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>
>> typedef unsigned long Index;
>>
>> void
>> convolve(
>> float *out, const float *in, Index N, const float *filter, Index Nf
>> ){
>> Index i, j;
>>
>> for( i = 0; i < N; i++ ){
>> float t = 0;
>> for( j = 0; j < Nf; j++ ){
>> Index k = i + j - Nf/2;
>> if( k >= N ) continue;
>> t += in[k] * filter[j];
>> }
>> out[i] = t;
>> }
>> }
>
> This looks like a (cross-)correlation, [...]
The key property is that it performs the same computation
as what seemed to be the intent of the original code.
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 14:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <u9trgp$1stmg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171336 |
On 27/07/2023 12:34, David Brown wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 23:07, Bart wrote:
> /Your/ assertion was that half the existing programs would break if
> "int" were 64 bits instead of the more common 32 bits. You have failed
> to produce the slightest justification for that. It is irrelevant
> whether Scott or anyone else knows of programs that might have issues
> with such a change. And Scott did not in any way say that you were
> wrong in your claim - he just noted that you are apparently unable to
> justify it. (I, for one, have little idea if you are right or wrong
> because I am not familiar with the vast majority of C code written. I
> don't believe you know any better either - but we await your evidence.)
>
Common sense and experience ought to tell you that I'm probably right.
But what evidence exactly do you want?
Either there is going to be a big problem, or there isn't, but suppose
you need to decide whether you're going to make 'int' 64 bits. What
would /you/ do?
Do /you/ think there will be many problems with programs breaking,
because there is either a deliberate or inadvertent reliance on int
being 32 bits?
'int' is probably the most-used C type in C code.
Time to put your money on this again! Or will you just go for it
because, after all, there is no real evidence that anything will go wrong?
Note that MS probably left 'long' as 32 bits, when 'int' became 32 bits
too, for similar reasons.
(I suspect I'm the only one here who has attempted to make a C with a
64-bit int, to try it out. It didn't work, but there were many other
reasons for that.
That the C library still used 32 bits, even if I changed the APIs to
ensure that was 'int' was the 32-bit equivalent, may have been one
factor why the experiment wouldn't work unless I also recompiled the
library from source using 64-bit int.)
> I think most C programmers have come across variants and alternatives to
> "int32_t" that have much the same meaning. But these alternatives
> typically come from either:
>
> 1. Code with a history from before C99 and the <stdint.h> types.
> 2. Code written to work with pre-C99 toolchains.
> 3. Newer code referring to or using type 1 or 2 code.
> 4. Code that uses different names to distinguish types for different
> purposes, perhaps using more advanced linters to check usage in a
> stronger manner than C compilers typically support.
You're not going to be convinced are you, no matter how many examples I
might come up with!
There must always be /some other/ reason why somebody defines a new
alias on top of `int32_t`, because there's hardly going to be a comment
that says it's because they are ugly or long-winded.
BTW here's an extract from a Raylib module:
unsigned int defaultFontData[512] = {
0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
0x00200020, 0x0001b000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
0x8ef92520, 0x00020a00, 0x7dbe8000, 0x1f7df45f,
I guess 'int' had better be 32 bits in this case!
> I have only ever heard of one person who actively chooses some variant
> other than the <stdint.h> types such as int32_t from a free choice,
> without any particular reason or justification other than that they
> think the identifier "int32_t" is ugly. You can guess who that
person is.
If you're generating C code, then those also take up more space for no
reason. There I will use short forms like 'i32'.
(Actually, my generated C code doesn't use any standard headers, so that
`int32_t` doesn't exist, and the standard header would anyway only
define it on top of `int`.)
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 16:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u9u040$1tbdh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171341 |
On 27/07/2023 15:30, Bart wrote:
>
> On 27/07/2023 12:34, David Brown wrote:
> > On 26/07/2023 23:07, Bart wrote:
> > /Your/ assertion was that half the existing programs would break if
> > "int" were 64 bits instead of the more common 32 bits. You have failed
> > to produce the slightest justification for that. It is irrelevant
> > whether Scott or anyone else knows of programs that might have issues
> > with such a change. And Scott did not in any way say that you were
> > wrong in your claim - he just noted that you are apparently unable to
> > justify it. (I, for one, have little idea if you are right or wrong
> > because I am not familiar with the vast majority of C code written. I
> > don't believe you know any better either - but we await your evidence.)
> >
>
> Common sense and experience ought to tell you that I'm probably right.
>
No, it does not. Seriously. There's a great deal of C code that
assumes "int" is at least 32-bit - for a lot of it, the assumption is
reasonable (due to other constraints, such as using Windows or *nix API
calls), and for some the code could have been more portable without such
assumptions.
However, I think it is actually rare to assume a /maximum/ size for int.
The one common case might be malloc'ing an array of int using a style of
"int * p = malloc(N * 4)" rather than "int * p = malloc(N *
sizeof(int))" or "int * p = malloc(N * sizeof(*p))".
Do over half of C programs have such allocations? I doubt it. I
certainly can't be sure, but common sense and experience suggest it is
unlikely. However, I don't have anything like a statistical basis for
claiming one way or the other.
(Maybe there are other issues that would cause programs to fail with
64-bit int.)
> But what evidence exactly do you want?
>
A link to a study or report saying "We took 1000 C programs and tried
compiling them with 64-bit int - over 50% had serious problems" would be
nice. Something other than pure gut feeling from one person.
(I haven't any doubt that /some/ programs would fail with 64-bit int.
It's the claim of more than half that is the problem.)
> Either there is going to be a big problem, or there isn't, but suppose
> you need to decide whether you're going to make 'int' 64 bits. What
> would /you/ do?
>
Clearly it's too late for existing C implementations or platforms (other
than old Cray's), so are you talking about a hypothetical new one for a
new platform with an ABI that has 64-bit int? It is, after all, the
platform ABI that determines the size of "int" - C compilers do not have
a free choice if they want to be useful.
> Do /you/ think there will be many problems with programs breaking,
> because there is either a deliberate or inadvertent reliance on int
> being 32 bits?
>
I think a lot more would break because they assume "int" is at least
32b-bit, than would break because they assume "int" is at most 32-bit or
exactly 32-bit.
> 'int' is probably the most-used C type in C code.
>
> Time to put your money on this again! Or will you just go for it
> because, after all, there is no real evidence that anything will go wrong?
>
I am not a betting man. But if I were, I would bet good money that you
would never be able to gather real evidence to your claim within a
period of, say, 5 years.
I am sure you would have no problem finding a range of examples where
64-bit int would cause trouble. But that would not prove your claim, or
even count as supporting evidence for it.
> Note that MS probably left 'long' as 32 bits, when 'int' became 32 bits
> too, for similar reasons.
>
You haven't given any reasons as to why 64-bit int could be a problem.
I gave one myself, further up - if you have others, feel free to add the
main ones.
Remember, MS could well have left "long" as 32-bit for efficiency
reasons - that would not count.
> (I suspect I'm the only one here who has attempted to make a C with a
> 64-bit int, to try it out. It didn't work, but there were many other
> reasons for that.
>
> That the C library still used 32 bits, even if I changed the APIs to
> ensure that was 'int' was the 32-bit equivalent, may have been one
> factor why the experiment wouldn't work unless I also recompiled the
> library from source using 64-bit int.)
>
You can't make "int" 32-bit in the compiler alone - it has to be part of
the ABI. That means it would be the size used in any API's on the
platform. (System libraries also count as "programs" that would need to
be recompiled with 64-bit int.)
> > I think most C programmers have come across variants and alternatives to
> > "int32_t" that have much the same meaning. But these alternatives
> > typically come from either:
> >
> > 1. Code with a history from before C99 and the <stdint.h> types.
> > 2. Code written to work with pre-C99 toolchains.
> > 3. Newer code referring to or using type 1 or 2 code.
> > 4. Code that uses different names to distinguish types for different
> > purposes, perhaps using more advanced linters to check usage in a
> > stronger manner than C compilers typically support.
>
> You're not going to be convinced are you, no matter how many examples I
> might come up with!
>
I am reasonably sure - from common sense and experience - that what I
gave above are the main reasons for programmers to use some kind of
equivalent to "int32_t" with a different name but the same meaning. I
don't see any examples that you have listed that do not fit at least one
of these categories.
> There must always be /some other/ reason why somebody defines a new
> alias on top of `int32_t`, because there's hardly going to be a comment
> that says it's because they are ugly or long-winded.
Yes, I think that is usually the case. I don't suggest that everyone
thinks "int32_t" is particularly "pretty", but I do think that few
people care enough to use a different name solely because they find it
ugly or want to save a couple of keypresses. I have seen no
justification that anyone other than /you/ thinks this way.
>
> BTW here's an extract from a Raylib module:
>
> unsigned int defaultFontData[512] = {
> 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
> 0x00200020, 0x0001b000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
> 0x8ef92520, 0x00020a00, 0x7dbe8000, 0x1f7df45f,
>
> I guess 'int' had better be 32 bits in this case!
>
Yes, I guess so. But what do you think that proves?
If the file had started with:
#include <stdint.h>
// uint32_t is just so horribly ugly and long-winded
// that I can't bear to use it in my coding
typedef uint32_t uint32;
and then later written:
uint32 defaultFontData[512] = ...
then I would accept that you are not alone in your opinions. But that's
not what your example shows - it merely shows the well-known fact that a
lot of code assumes "int" is at least 32-bit. (It does not show that it
assumes "int" is /exactly/ 32-bit.)
>
>
> > I have only ever heard of one person who actively chooses some variant
> > other than the <stdint.h> types such as int32_t from a free choice,
> > without any particular reason or justification other than that they
> > think the identifier "int32_t" is ugly. You can guess who that
> person is.
>
> If you're generating C code, then those also take up more space for no
> reason. There I will use short forms like 'i32'.
>
That would be saving space for no reason. But we already know you have
unusual ideas about what is important to you in your generated code, and
things like portability and use of standard types means nothing to you.
> (Actually, my generated C code doesn't use any standard headers, so that
> `int32_t` doesn't exist, and the standard header would anyway only
> define it on top of `int`.)
>
>
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 17:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <u9u5cd$1tqc9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171347 |
On 27/07/2023 15:48, David Brown wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 15:30, Bart wrote:
>>
>> Note that MS probably left 'long' as 32 bits, when 'int' became 32
>> bits too, for similar reasons.
>>
>
> You haven't given any reasons as to why 64-bit int could be a problem. I
> gave one myself, further up - if you have others, feel free to add the
> main ones.
It either won't work, or will result in programs that are not as
efficient as expected, because that tightly crafted struct now takes up
16 bytes rather than 8 (and on Win64 is passed by reference rather than
by value):
struct {
int a;
char b,c,e,f;
} S;
> You can't make "int" 32-bit in the compiler alone - it has to be part of
> the ABI.
The ABI is nothing to do with it. 'int' is a label used in many
programming languages where it has a meaning specific to those languages.
The main Win64 ABI reference doesn't assign type names to the
1-2-4-8-byte sizes that are passed in GP registers, but where it does,
then C's 'int' is a minor part of it:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/x64-software-conventions?view=msvc-170
Because, when you think about it, when language A wants to call language
B via an FFI, C doesn't come into it at all. Neither A nor B might even
have a type called 'int'.
The compilers of both A and B need to know where to put objects of a
certain size when making function calls using the FFI.
>> You're not going to be convinced are you, no matter how many examples
>> I might come up with!
>>
>
> I am reasonably sure - from common sense and experience - that what I
> gave above are the main reasons for programmers to use some kind of
> equivalent to "int32_t" with a different name but the same meaning. I
> don't see any examples that you have listed that do not fit at least one
> of these categories.
>
>> There must always be /some other/ reason why somebody defines a new
>> alias on top of `int32_t`, because there's hardly going to be a
>> comment that says it's because they are ugly or long-winded.
>
> Yes, I think that is usually the case. I don't suggest that everyone
> thinks "int32_t" is particularly "pretty", but I do think that few
> people care enough to use a different name solely because they find it
> ugly or want to save a couple of keypresses. I have seen no
> justification that anyone other than /you/ thinks this way.
I have seen plenty of open source examples that precisely use typedefs
to define i32 etc on top of the stdint.h types. Or maybe they're Rust or
Zig programmers forced to write some C, and want to feel at home.
But I'm not going to spend days trawling through 1000s of sites I've
visited to try and find those examples.
See, however, pages like this:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3340843/why-do-c-programmers-use-typedefs-to-rename-basic-types
Or this:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30896489/why-is-u8-u16-u32-u64-used-instead-of-unsigned-int-in-kernel-programming
This one might help explain why C99 went with uint32_t instead of u32,
but you will at least think about why they used such a short type name
in that software, and not have have few letters, some underscores, and a
pointless suffix that you see in NO other langauges.
As I said, you will not be convinced, or will say it's a one-off. (Why
won't you be convinced? Is it that inconceivable that someone might
prefer a snappier, possibly more euphonious set of types for their coding?)
>> BTW here's an extract from a Raylib module:
>>
>> unsigned int defaultFontData[512] = {
>> 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
>> 0x00200020, 0x0001b000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
>> 0x8ef92520, 0x00020a00, 0x7dbe8000, 0x1f7df45f,
>>
>> I guess 'int' had better be 32 bits in this case!
>>
>
> Yes, I guess so. But what do you think that proves?
This is the conversation from a week ago where people had a go at me for
assuming int = 32 bits, but EVERYONE does it in the real word.
BTW, if `int` was to changed to 64 bits, this table would be double the
size needed.
>> If you're generating C code, then those also take up more space for no
>> reason. There I will use short forms like 'i32'.
>>
>
> That would be saving space for no reason.
Fine, I'll start using `unsigned long long int` then instead of `u64`!
It takes 1% longer to generate, takes 1% more disk space, and takes 1%
bit longer longer to parse, but that's OK.
BTW 1% is also the UK's contribution to global warming, where it is
considered a big deal.
In my generated code, casts involving these types are used VERY
extensively. For example, every `0` constant is written as `(i64)0`.
> But we already know you have
> unusual ideas about what is important to you in your generated code, and
> things like portability
I'm the one who used to test generated code across across 6 compilers,
remember, and that was just the Windows versions.
> and use of standard types means nothing to you.
It's generated code, who cares?! The file starts off like this, using
STANDARD TYPES:
typedef signed char i8;
typedef short i16;
typedef int i32;
typedef long long i64;
typedef unsigned char u8;
typedef unsigned short u16;
typedef unsigned int u32;
typedef unsigned long long u64;
typedef unsigned char byte;
typedef float r32;
typedef double r64;
I do have to inspect the code from time to type when things go wrong,
and these forms suit me.
Have you never used a typedef to create an alias for a numeric type? If
not, then what on earth is typedef for? It can't be solely for
simplifying complicated type specs.
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-07-27 09:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cda065bd-58b5-466d-b91e-d885d9966815n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #171351 |
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 17:18:36 UTC+1, Bart wrote: > > It's generated code, who cares?! The file starts off like this, using > STANDARD TYPES: > > typedef signed char i8; > typedef short i16; > typedef int i32; > typedef long long i64; > > typedef unsigned char u8; > typedef unsigned short u16; > typedef unsigned int u32; > typedef unsigned long long u64; > > typedef unsigned char byte; > > typedef float r32; > typedef double r64; > > I do have to inspect the code from time to type when things go wrong, > and these forms suit me. > > Have you never used a typedef to create an alias for a numeric type? If > not, then what on earth is typedef for? It can't be solely for > simplifying complicated type specs. > I'm very unwilling to do this. If we say typedef double real; is that meant to mean that the code should still work if we replace double with float? Is this tested? Or does it mean that for some reason we must have 64 bit floating point numbers? Or is it just that someone thinks that "real" is a more informative nane for a type than "double"? Then what is the scope of this symbol. What business has a graphics library, for example, in exporting an identifier like "real"?
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2023-07-27 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <u9uceh$1ulb7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171352 |
On 27/07/2023 17:45, Malcolm McLean wrote: > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 17:18:36 UTC+1, Bart wrote: >> >> It's generated code, who cares?! The file starts off like this, using >> STANDARD TYPES: >> >> typedef signed char i8; >> typedef short i16; >> typedef int i32; >> typedef long long i64; >> >> typedef unsigned char u8; >> typedef unsigned short u16; >> typedef unsigned int u32; >> typedef unsigned long long u64; >> >> typedef unsigned char byte; >> >> typedef float r32; >> typedef double r64; >> >> I do have to inspect the code from time to type when things go wrong, >> and these forms suit me. >> >> Have you never used a typedef to create an alias for a numeric type? If >> not, then what on earth is typedef for? It can't be solely for >> simplifying complicated type specs. >> > I'm very unwilling to do this. > If we say typedef double real; is that meant to mean that the code should still > work if we replace double with float? What if you replaced double with float anyway; what has that got to do with that typedef? Note that the example above comes from generated code; the scope is purely the extent of that source file. However, if I see these types in an API (presumably with some matching typedefs nearby), I wouldn't have a problem with them at all. > Is this tested? Or does it mean that for > some reason we must have 64 bit floating point numbers? Or is it just that > someone thinks that "real" is a more informative nane for a type than "double"? Is it for other people's use or your own? I wouldn't use 'real' in an API I expect other people to use; I'd use something like f64 or float32. But what on earth are `float` and `double` anyway? They are /probably/ f32 and f64, but I'm sure the C standard does not define them as clearly as that! > Then what is the scope of this symbol. What business has a graphics library, for example, > in exporting an identifier like "real"? I gave an example last week where each of OpenGL, GTK an SDL used their own typedefs for integer types. 'real' would be too obscure for that purpose.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-01 18:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uabaqg$3n2ps$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171358 |
On 27/07/2023 20:18, Bart wrote: > > On 27/07/2023 17:45, Malcolm McLean wrote: > > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 17:18:36 UTC+1, Bart wrote: > >> Have you never used a typedef to create an alias for a numeric type? If > >> not, then what on earth is typedef for? It can't be solely for > >> simplifying complicated type specs. > >> > > I'm very unwilling to do this. > > If we say typedef double real; is that meant to mean that the code > should still > > work if we replace double with float? > If someone had "typedef double real;", I'd have to wonder what they intended. A typedef is useful for making code clearer and/or easier to modify or adapt. I can't think how the name "real" does that. But maybe Malcolm is imagining some use I haven't thought aobut. > What if you replaced double with float anyway; what has that got to do > with that typedef? > > Note that the example above comes from generated code; the scope is > purely the extent of that source file. > > However, if I see these types in an API (presumably with some matching > typedefs nearby), I wouldn't have a problem with them at all. > I think that sounds fine. > > > Is this tested? Or does it mean that for > > some reason we must have 64 bit floating point numbers? Or is it just > that > > someone thinks that "real" is a more informative nane for a type than > "double"? > > Is it for other people's use or your own? I wouldn't use 'real' in an > API I expect other people to use; I'd use something like f64 or float32. > C23 has added _Float32 and _Float64 specifically as interchange formats - they will always be in the standard IEEE formats. (If an implementation can't support them, they won't exist as type names.) C23 also defines _Float32x and some other types, which I can't really see the point of - but I don't work with very advanced floating point code. Others who are much more careful about floating point details presumably have use of these. > But what on earth are `float` and `double` anyway? They are /probably/ > f32 and f64, but I'm sure the C standard does not define them as clearly > as that! > No, it is flexible and portable - not all systems use IEEE formats for floating point. (The x86 world in particular has had a mess with the x87 formats.) Most systems have standardised on IEEE formats now, but sometimes internal formats are different. There are C pre-processor macros that can be checked, and some pragmas that can be set, for particular needs - again, I am not familiar with the details. > > > Then what is the scope of this symbol. What business has a graphics > library, for example, > > in exporting an identifier like "real"? > > I gave an example last week where each of OpenGL, GTK an SDL used their > own typedefs for integer types. 'real' would be too obscure for that > purpose. > > Agreed. You really want tighter specifications in an API - defining the size and the format - not looser ones.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2023-08-01 15:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uaavm0$3ln4f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171351 |
On 27/07/2023 18:18, Bart wrote:
>
> On 27/07/2023 15:48, David Brown wrote:
> > On 27/07/2023 15:30, Bart wrote:
> >>
> >> Note that MS probably left 'long' as 32 bits, when 'int' became 32
> >> bits too, for similar reasons.
> >>
> >
> > You haven't given any reasons as to why 64-bit int could be a problem. I
> > gave one myself, further up - if you have others, feel free to add the
> > main ones.
>
> It either won't work, or will result in programs that are not as
> efficient as expected, because that tightly crafted struct now takes up
> 16 bytes rather than 8 (and on Win64 is passed by reference rather than
> by value):
Efficiency (or lack thereof) is not an issue. I would expect that
changing to 64-bit int will make some code more efficient (on 64-bit
platforms), and some code less efficient. Whether it works or not is
the crucial issue.
(I still would like to hear examples of reasonably likely situations
where changing "int" to 64-bit would stop code from working correctly.
I think we can all imagined plenty of situations where it makes code
less efficient.)
>
> struct {
> int a;
> char b,c,e,f;
> } S;
>
> > You can't make "int" 32-bit in the compiler alone - it has to be part of
> > the ABI.
>
> The ABI is nothing to do with it. 'int' is a label used in many
> programming languages where it has a meaning specific to those languages.
>
No, in C the size of "int" is determined by the implementation (which
includes the compiler, standard library, assembler, linker, and any
other tools needed to make an executable). Implementations need an ABI,
and almost always follow standard platform ABI's. (What the word "int"
means in other languages doesn't matter to C - different languages do
things in different ways.)
> The main Win64 ABI reference doesn't assign type names to the
> 1-2-4-8-byte sizes that are passed in GP registers, but where it does,
> then C's 'int' is a minor part of it:
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/x64-software-conventions?view=msvc-170
>
That says that C "int" is 32-bit for the Win64 ABI. (Calling
conventions are only part of an ABI.)
>
> Because, when you think about it, when language A wants to call language
> B via an FFI, C doesn't come into it at all. Neither A nor B might even
> have a type called 'int'.
>
Yes, that is why an ABI is important.
It would certainly be possible to specify a platform ABI that does not
make any reference to C. Then you would have a C ABI for the platform
that details how C works on the platform. Then it would be this "C ABI"
that determines the size of "int" on any C toolchains for the platform.
Given the popularity of C as the common language for library interfaces
and low-level code, ABI's generally include C details. But they might
also contain specifications that are independent of C - such as types
named "INT32" and the like in the Win64 ABI. And languages A and B
could certainly refer to these type names rather than C type names when
interacting.
Other languages may not feel they need an ABI at all for determining how
they work internally, only for FFI's. But C implementations generally
do work to an ABI.
> The compilers of both A and B need to know where to put objects of a
> certain size when making function calls using the FFI.
>
> >> You're not going to be convinced are you, no matter how many examples
> >> I might come up with!
> >>
> >
> > I am reasonably sure - from common sense and experience - that what I
> > gave above are the main reasons for programmers to use some kind of
> > equivalent to "int32_t" with a different name but the same meaning. I
> > don't see any examples that you have listed that do not fit at least one
> > of these categories.
> >
> >> There must always be /some other/ reason why somebody defines a new
> >> alias on top of `int32_t`, because there's hardly going to be a
> >> comment that says it's because they are ugly or long-winded.
> >
> > Yes, I think that is usually the case. I don't suggest that everyone
> > thinks "int32_t" is particularly "pretty", but I do think that few
> > people care enough to use a different name solely because they find it
> > ugly or want to save a couple of keypresses. I have seen no
> > justification that anyone other than /you/ thinks this way.
>
> I have seen plenty of open source examples that precisely use typedefs
> to define i32 etc on top of the stdint.h types. Or maybe they're Rust or
> Zig programmers forced to write some C, and want to feel at home.
>
Other languages start from scratch, and pick names they like based on
the style of the language.
I am asking if there are any examples of others who explicitly make
typedefs like :
typedef int32_t i32;
because they think "int32_t" is too ugly or hard to type and/or read.
> But I'm not going to spend days trawling through 1000s of sites I've
> visited to try and find those examples.
>
> See, however, pages like this:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3340843/why-do-c-programmers-use-typedefs-to-rename-basic-types
>
>
That is a standard "why do people use typedef's for sized integer
types?" question, and answered in the standard "you use it for
portability when you need specific sizes - use the C99 <stdint.h> types"
manner.
I think most people agree that prior to C99, such size-specific typedefs
were often very useful - that's not a point of contention. And your
reference here strongly recommends, as I do, using the <stdint.h> types
when you want size-specific types in C.
> Or this:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30896489/why-is-u8-u16-u32-u64-used-instead-of-unsigned-int-in-kernel-programming
>
The top answer makes it clear - the Linux kernel predates C99, which is
why it does not use <stdint.h> types when it needs sized types.
(Actually, <stdint.h> types are used throughout the kernel and most
Linux code, but other size-specific type names are also used - for
historical code, or consistency with historical code, or for providing
additional information to the reader and/or linting tools.)
>
> This one might help explain why C99 went with uint32_t instead of u32,
> but you will at least think about why they used such a short type name
> in that software, and not have have few letters, some underscores, and a
> pointless suffix that you see in NO other langauges.
>
The use of a "_t" suffix for types has been traditional in C and *nix
long before C99. It seems an obvious and consistent choice to make when
the types were standardised in C99.
Other languages don't have the same history, and use type names that
match the style of those languages - sometimes longer, sometimes
shorter, sometimes imported (as in C), sometimes built-in, sometimes
with particular capitalisation, sometimes with implicit fixed sizes,
sometimes explicit sizes, sometimes sizes that vary with the platform or
target.
You seem to have this belief that /only/ C uses the style "int32_t", and
every other language uses "int32" or "i32". That's just nonsense.
Equally, you seem to believe that C99 picked this style of naming to be
awkward, or to annoy people who don't type well, or just to annoy you
personally. You also think nobody (except a few people in comp.lang.c)
likes them, or even uses them. The reality, is, of course, that it was
a considered decision based on a balance of many factors, and C
programmers the world over are entirely happy with them.
> As I said, you will not be convinced, or will say it's a one-off. (Why
> won't you be convinced? Is it that inconceivable that someone might
> prefer a snappier, possibly more euphonious set of types for their coding?)
>
I'd find your arguments a lot more convincing if you made an attempt to
answer the question, or give justification for your opinions. We all
know of a number of good reasons why size-specific typenames other than
those in <stdint.h> are sometimes used in C programming. I listed the
main ones (as far as I see them). You have made claims that people use
different typenames (in C programming) because the <stdint.h> names are
ugly or long-winded. I have asked you to back up those claims. All I
got was a note that sometimes different names are used in different
languages (which is irrelevant), a claim that you have thousands of
examples but don't want to show any (that's hardly convincing), and a
couple of links that strongly support /my/ position, and don't come
close to supporting your ideas.
> >> BTW here's an extract from a Raylib module:
> >>
> >> unsigned int defaultFontData[512] = {
> >> 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
> >> 0x00200020, 0x0001b000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000,
> >> 0x8ef92520, 0x00020a00, 0x7dbe8000, 0x1f7df45f,
> >>
> >> I guess 'int' had better be 32 bits in this case!
> >>
> >
> > Yes, I guess so. But what do you think that proves?
>
> This is the conversation from a week ago where people had a go at me for
> assuming int = 32 bits, but EVERYONE does it in the real word.
No, "everyone" does /not/ do so. But many people do. We know that. In
many cases, the assumption is perfectly justified. Presumably, in this
example, the fonts are used in an OS which is known to require 32-bit
"int". Then it's fine to make that assumption - the code is not
designed to be portable to other systems.
>
> BTW, if `int` was to changed to 64 bits, this table would be double the
> size needed.
>
Obviously. And if the programmer had been thinking of "int" as merely
"at least 32 bits", and wanted a compact table on systems with bigger
"int", he/she would have used "uint32_t" or maybe a typedef specific to
the usage.
However, there is nothing in this snippet to indicate that the code
would not work with 64-bit "int" - merely that it would be bigger than
necessary.
So, as I say, it proves nothing that is not entirely obvious.
> >> If you're generating C code, then those also take up more space for no
> >> reason. There I will use short forms like 'i32'.
> >>
> >
> > That would be saving space for no reason.
>
> Fine, I'll start using `unsigned long long int` then instead of `u64`!
> It takes 1% longer to generate, takes 1% more disk space, and takes 1%
> bit longer longer to parse, but that's OK.
>
You use whatever you like in your own code - no one is asking you to
change that. But people would often prefer that when you are posting to
a C language group, you use standard C types (i.e., those defined in the
C standards) unless you have particularly good reason to do otherwise.
> BTW 1% is also the UK's contribution to global warming, where it is
> considered a big deal.
>
So now you are comparing using "u64" to saving the planet.
> In my generated code, casts involving these types are used VERY
> extensively. For example, every `0` constant is written as `(i64)0`.
>
First off, that is usually a silly idea. Secondly, sane code generators
use macros, inline functions, typedef names, include files, etc., for
greater convenience when the code is expected to be human-readable. And
thirdly, for generated code, it really doesn't matter if the code is a
bit more verbose, especially if it is not intended to be human readable.
But of course, you generate code in whatever way you like. No one
particularly cares about the details there - it's a very different
use-case from writing posts in a newsgroup.
>
> > But we already know you have
> > unusual ideas about what is important to you in your generated code, and
> > things like portability
>
>
> I'm the one who used to test generated code across across 6 compilers,
> remember, and that was just the Windows versions.
>
As I said, you are not particularly concerned about portability - your
targets are very limited. (There's nothing wrong with that.)
> > and use of standard types means nothing to you.
>
> It's generated code, who cares?!
No one cares for your generated code. People have only asked you to use
standard type names (and standard C terminology) in your comp.lang.c
postings, unless you have very good reason for doing otherwise. (People
may /recommend/ using standard type names in your generated code, or
wonder why you don't do so, but that's all.)
>
> I do have to inspect the code from time to type when things go wrong,
> and these forms suit me.
>
> Have you never used a typedef to create an alias for a numeric type? If
> not, then what on earth is typedef for? It can't be solely for
> simplifying complicated type specs.
>
I certainly have used typedef for numeric types :
// Currently the ADC used is 14-bit, and we want a compact type
// to reduce buffer ram usage
typedef uint16_t adc_sample_t;
// Choose 32-bit or 64-bit here for balance between range and
// efficiency on different platforms
typedef int64_t calc_t;
Most often I use typedef for more complex types - function types,
structs, unions, pointers with multiple parts in the definition, etc.
Putting names to things makes code clearer. The names are almost always
based on the usage of the type, not implementation details.
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-01 15:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uab5ja$3mc91$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171496 |
On 01/08/2023 14:00, David Brown wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 18:18, Bart wrote:
>> It either won't work, or will result in programs that are not as
>> efficient as expected, because that tightly crafted struct now takes
>> up 16 bytes rather than 8 (and on Win64 is passed by reference rather
>> than by value):
> Efficiency (or lack thereof) is not an issue. I would expect that
> changing to 64-bit int will make some code more efficient (on 64-bit
> platforms), and some code less efficient. Whether it works or not is
> the crucial issue.
>
> (I still would like to hear examples of reasonably likely situations
> where changing "int" to 64-bit would stop code from working correctly.
OK, let's try it. I took one of my generated C files which had these two
typedefs at the start:
typedef int i32;
typedef unsigned int u32;
I changed them to:
typedef long long i32;
typedef unsigned long long u32;
Then I recompiled the 40Kloc file (it was an interpreter) and tried to
run a script; it crashed. I can't say I was surprised: there are plenty
of unions where the relations between the elements have to be exact.
(At first I though it had worked, but I'd forgotten gcc's moronic habit
of naming output files as a.exe, so I was running prog.exe instead, an
existing working version.)
>> The main Win64 ABI reference doesn't assign type names to the
>> 1-2-4-8-byte sizes that are passed in GP registers, but where it does,
>> then C's 'int' is a minor part of it:
>>
>>
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/x64-software-conventions?view=msvc-170
>
> That says that C "int" is 32-bit for the Win64 ABI. (Calling
> conventions are only part of an ABI.)
It also says that a 32-bit type is called "long" and "INT32" as well as
"int".
I doubt that purpose of this chart is to define what "int" is in C, but
what is clear is that it expects it to be 32 bits. It doesn't say what
version of C it has in mind. It also doesn't mention `long long` for 64
bits, nor any of the `stdint.h` types.
> It would certainly be possible to specify a platform ABI that does not
> make any reference to C.
The main Win64 ABI page doesn't mention C or any language (only in
examples, although it calls it 'C++'):
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/x64-calling-convention?view=msvc-170
> Other languages may not feel they need an ABI at all for determining how
> they work internally, only for FFI's. But C implementations generally
> do work to an ABI.
Mine doesn't.
>> I have seen plenty of open source examples that precisely use typedefs
>> to define i32 etc on top of the stdint.h types. Or maybe they're Rust
>> or Zig programmers forced to write some C, and want to feel at home.
>>
>
> Other languages start from scratch, and pick names they like based on
> the style of the language.
And they like i32 etc. They DON'T like int32_t otherwise they'd all be
using them! C users have to like it or lump it; they are not allowed to
use typedefs.
> The use of a "_t" suffix for types has been traditional in C and *nix
> long before C99. It seems an obvious and consistent choice to make when
> the types were standardised in C99.
Obviously not in the Linux kernel.
> Other languages don't have the same history, and use type names that
> match the style of those languages - sometimes longer, sometimes
> shorter, sometimes imported (as in C), sometimes built-in, sometimes
> with particular capitalisation, sometimes with implicit fixed sizes,
> sometimes explicit sizes, sometimes sizes that vary with the platform or
> target.
>
> You seem to have this belief that /only/ C uses the style "int32_t", and
> every other language uses "int32" or "i32". That's just nonsense.
I gave a list of about 10 different languages that use variations of
`int32`, `i32`, `int` (when it is a fixed 32-bit type), but none that
have anything like that funny _t suffix, and I think none where those
types are unknown to the language unless you specifically import some
module.
So which languages other than C and C++ use `int32_t`?
What would you think of C allowing people to write `char_t` and `int_t`
as well as `char` and `int`, just for consistency; do you think that
suffix brings anything to the table?
And if not, what does in bring in the case of `int32_t`? It's evident
the `_t` only existes to avoid clashing with existing uses of `int32` (I
guess there was no problem with existing uses of `int32_t`!)
> Equally, you seem to believe that C99 picked this style of naming to be
> awkward, or to annoy people who don't type well, or just to annoy you
> personally.
Not me personally. It just seems a thing with C that, terrified of
making new keywords that look good and are easy to type but that might
clash with user identifiers, they introduce capitalisation, leading and
embedded underscores, and weird suffixes to make a new keyword so ugly
that nobody would have chosen it!
> You also think nobody (except a few people in comp.lang.c)
> likes them, or even uses them. The reality, is, of course, that it was
> a considered decision based on a balance of many factors, and C
> programmers the world over are entirely happy with them.
Did they have a choice?
>> As I said, you will not be convinced, or will say it's a one-off. (Why
>> won't you be convinced? Is it that inconceivable that someone might
>> prefer a snappier, possibly more euphonious set of types for their
>> coding?)
>>
>
> I'd find your arguments a lot more convincing if you made an attempt to
> answer the question, or give justification for your opinions. We all
> know of a number of good reasons why size-specific typenames other than
> those in <stdint.h> are sometimes used in C programming.
I can't win because for every example I can find, you will bring up the
possibility that it might be linked to the availability of stdint.h or
to make it independent of stdint.h.
What would an example look like that would satisfy you that someone is
creating a snappier typedef alias for purely aesthetic, ergonomic or
other reasons than the ones you listed? How can you tell from the bare
typedef what the reason is?
> I listed the
> main ones (as far as I see them). You have made claims that people use
> different typenames (in C programming) because the <stdint.h> names are
> ugly or long-winded. I have asked you to back up those claims.
They ARE long-winded, although not as much as 'unsigned long long int`,
and they ARE ugly.
I doubt that my views are that unique. For example:
"A lot of good programmers do that and the reason given is that types in
stdint.h have ugly long names like uint32_t. "_t" thing rubs a lot of
people the wrong way so I am not surprised they change it to something
more pleasant. I like using uint64, int32 etc. but the convention where
it's u64, i32, f32, f64 is something I would get behind."
(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13061837, last comment)
Note they talk about a 'convention', and 'a lot of good programmers do
that'.
>> BTW 1% is also the UK's contribution to global warming, where it is
>> considered a big deal.
>>
>
> So now you are comparing using "u64" to saving the planet.
Actually I've just measured it: using the uint64_t instead of u64 etc
made the output 6.5% bigger.
>> In my generated code, casts involving these types are used VERY
>> extensively. For example, every `0` constant is written as `(i64)0`.
> First off, that is usually a silly idea.
Integer constants in the source language are 64 bits and need to be so
in the C. So, how would /you/ do it? Remember that 0L and 0LL (and 0UL
and 0ULL) do not have precisely defined widths on their types.
And in what way would that be superior to just using a cast?
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-01 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9dayM.406822$AsA.351249@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #171497 |
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > >(At first I though it had worked, but I'd forgotten gcc's moronic habit >of naming output files as a.exe, so I was running prog.exe instead, an >existing working version.) gcc has supported the '-o' option since day one. I haven't seen a a.out for decades. (a.exe is an artifact of whoever ported gcc to windblows).
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-01 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uabd3o$3nbn6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171502 |
On 01/08/2023 17:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>
>> (At first I though it had worked, but I'd forgotten gcc's moronic habit
>> of naming output files as a.exe, so I was running prog.exe instead, an
>> existing working version.)
>
>
> gcc has supported the '-o' option since day one. I haven't seen a
> a.out for decades. (a.exe is an artifact of whoever ported gcc to
windblows).
So? You have to remember to use it, if invoking gcc in ad hoc ways from
the command line as I do. And you have to type the name of the program
twice. Either that or remember that the output is a.exe not prog.exe,
unlike other compilers.
It's a nuisance. What's more, newer compilers like Clang and Zig cc are
now having to copy that ridiculous behaviour in order to be drop-in
replacements for gcc:
gcc prog.c -oprog.exe
prog
or:
gcc prog.c
a
Compare with:
tcc prog.c (tcc on Linux still does the a.out thing)
prog
or:
bcc prog
prog
Now you want to recall that and instead compile prog2.c. With bcc you
press up-arrow twice then type "2".
With tcc you press up-arrow twice, backspace twice then type "2.c".
With gcc you press up-arrow twice, press backspace THIRTEEN times (I
think), then type "2.c -oprog2.exe". Actually, forget it; it's easier to
just type a whole new line!
See how unfriendly such a feature is? Just needing the extension is a
nuisance since you have to backspace through the extension, then restore
it, or do more fiddly editing.
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-01 17:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20230801095344.697@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #171503 |
On 2023-08-01, Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> It's a nuisance. What's more, newer compilers like Clang and Zig cc are
> now having to copy that ridiculous behaviour in order to be drop-in
> replacements for gcc:
>
> gcc prog.c -oprog.exe
> prog
gcc is designed for the Unix environment. In Unix, there is a make
utility (required by POSIX) with built-in rules (also required by
POSIX in environments that support XSI extensions).
If you have a prog.c, you should be able able to build prog like this:
make prog
If you have to explicitly use gcc, you're not in the home turf.
> Now you want to recall that and instead compile prog2.c. With bcc you
> press up-arrow twice then type "2".
Up arrow recall of compiler commands is not very important in the
world of "what gets programmed with C for what purpose".
Most C programs consist of multiple files, and link libraries.
The majority of C programming ss now is embedded, where you
don't have edit-compile-run but edit-compile-uploadtotarget-run.
> See how unfriendly such a feature is? Just needing the extension is a
If you wanted friendly, why wouldn't you just use a language in which
you don't have to leave the running program at all in order to rewrite
some parts of it?
Also, do you know about shell functions and aliases?
b()
{
gcc -o $1 $1.c
}
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-08-01 18:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uabf6p$3njc1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171504 |
On 01/08/2023 18:04, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2023-08-01, Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> It's a nuisance. What's more, newer compilers like Clang and Zig cc are
>> now having to copy that ridiculous behaviour in order to be drop-in
>> replacements for gcc:
>>
>> gcc prog.c -oprog.exe
>> prog
>
> gcc is designed for the Unix environment. In Unix, there is a make
> utility (required by POSIX) with built-in rules (also required by
> POSIX in environments that support XSI extensions).
>
> If you have a prog.c, you should be able able to build prog like this:
>
> make prog
>
> If you have to explicitly use gcc, you're not in the home turf.
>
>> Now you want to recall that and instead compile prog2.c. With bcc you
>> press up-arrow twice then type "2".
>
> Up arrow recall of compiler commands is not very important in the
> world of "what gets programmed with C for what purpose".
>
> Most C programs consist of multiple files, and link libraries.
>
> The majority of C programming ss now is embedded, where you
> don't have edit-compile-run but edit-compile-uploadtotarget-run.
>
>> See how unfriendly such a feature is? Just needing the extension is a
>
> If you wanted friendly, why wouldn't you just use a language in which
> you don't have to leave the running program at all in order to rewrite
> some parts of it?
>
> Also, do you know about shell functions and aliases?
>
> b()
> {
> gcc -o $1 $1.c
> }
>
All this is beating about the bush. Either gcc is a program intended to
be used directly from a command line or it's not.
You shouldn't need DIY workarounds just to get it to do its basic job,
or use alternates like make which have their own problems.
Often I need to compile the same program across compilers, sometimes
across languages; then `make` will not help. Neither does having a
special set of options and exceptions just for gcc.
I mean, why doesn't gcc just implement your 'gcc -o $1 $1.c' suggestion?
I do use scripts when the requirements and options are too elaborate to
retype every time, but to compile ONE source file into an executable?
Here's something funny:
zig build-exe hello.zig
This produces hello.exe. But Zig can also compile C code:
zig cc hello.c
This produces a.exe. Words fail me... An opportunity to fix something
that's broken ('zig cc' is your script idea but on a massive scale), and
it completely passes it up.
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