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  C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-05-10 18:58 +0200
    Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-10 19:08 +0200
      Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-05-10 19:25 +0200
        Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2020-05-10 20:09 +0200
          Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-05-11 08:39 +1200
            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:57 +0200
          Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language pier paolo bruno <pierpbruno@gmail.com> - 2020-05-10 13:59 -0700
            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-05-11 06:52 +0000
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-29 21:10 -0700
                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-06-03 10:26 +0000
        Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 08:23 +0200
        Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 06:24 -0700
          Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 15:49 +0200
            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 06:57 -0700
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 15:59 +0200
                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:09 -0700
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 16:14 +0200
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-11 15:41 +0000
          Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-11 13:49 +0000
            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:05 -0700
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:11 -0700
                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:19 -0700
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 07:36 -0700
            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-11 17:17 +0200
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-11 15:37 +0000
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-11 11:15 -0700
                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-12 10:58 +0000
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-12 09:52 -0700
                    Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language The Real Non Homosexual <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2020-05-12 10:04 -0700
                      Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-12 19:16 +0200
                    Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-12 10:57 -0700
              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2020-05-15 22:22 -0500
                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-16 00:47 -0700
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-16 00:57 -0700
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-16 01:14 -0700
                    Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-16 21:38 +0100
                      Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-16 13:47 -0700
                      Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-17 20:41 +0000
                        Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-19 21:18 +0100
                          Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-21 13:50 +0000
                            Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-21 17:29 +0200
                              Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-05-26 09:54 +0000
                                Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-26 15:10 +0200
                  Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 15:15 -0500
    Re: C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-11 00:33 -0700

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#152163 — C passes Java and becomes number 1 programming language

https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html

C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%

C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%

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#152164

Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%

I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
but because C is a good language for learning for system
-oriented programming.
In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
task and you make more mistakes.

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#152165

Le 10/05/2020 à 19:08, Bonita Montero a écrit :
> Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
>> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
>> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
>> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%
> 
> I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
> but because C is a good language for learning for system
> -oriented programming.
> In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
> languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
> task and you make more mistakes.

It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. Of 
course I have my ideas (just too difficult to learn) but it would be 
nice if we could make a common diagnostic.

Without falling into personal wars of course.

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#152166

On 2020-05-10 at 19:25, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 10/05/2020 à 19:08, Bonita Montero a écrit :
>> Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
>>> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
>>> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
>>> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%
>>
>> I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
>> but because C is a good language for learning for system
>> -oriented programming.
>> In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
>> languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
>> task and you make more mistakes.
> 
> It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. Of 
> course I have my ideas (just too difficult to learn) but it would be 
> nice if we could make a common diagnostic.
> 

Being difficult to learn could also result in *more* search engine 
activity.  :-)


     Bo Persson

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#152168

On 11/05/2020 06:09, Bo Persson wrote:
> On 2020-05-10 at 19:25, jacobnavia wrote:
>> Le 10/05/2020 à 19:08, Bonita Montero a écrit :
>>> Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
>>>> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
>>>> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
>>>> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%
>>>
>>> I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
>>> but because C is a good language for learning for system
>>> -oriented programming.
>>> In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
>>> languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
>>> task and you make more mistakes.
>>
>> It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. Of
>> course I have my ideas (just too difficult to learn) but it would be
>> nice if we could make a common diagnostic.
>>
> 
> Being difficult to learn could also result in *more* search engine
> activity.  :-)

C++ programmers don't need to look stuff up on the Internet!

-- 
Ian.

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#152170

> C++ programmers don't need to look stuff up on the Internet!

Especially they need to do it because C++ is a complex language.

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#152169

Il giorno domenica 10 maggio 2020 20:09:22 UTC+2, Bo Persson ha scritto:
> On 2020-05-10 at 19:25, jacobnavia wrote:
> > Le 10/05/2020 à 19:08, Bonita Montero a écrit :
> >> Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
> >>> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
> >>> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
> >>> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%
> >>
> >> I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
> >> but because C is a good language for learning for system
> >> -oriented programming.
> >> In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
> >> languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
> >> task and you make more mistakes.
> > 
> > It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. Of 
> > course I have my ideas (just too difficult to learn) but it would be 
> > nice if we could make a common diagnostic.
> > 
> 
> Being difficult to learn could also result in *more* search engine 
> activity.  :-)
> 
> 
>      Bo Persson

I think you got the target. C++ is really hard to master and now , for many things there are better alternative from an economic point of view . Java or C#, in their domains offer good alternative. C# on windows can be used quite for everything ( for the common tasks ) and it is simpler than C++ and much faster for developing . Java is even  simpler than C++ and completely portable .
Python is really handy for doing "fast thing" so C++ is used for niche applications .  
C on the other hand is fast to learn, simple and really powerfull. It is not object oriented, but if it is well used it can create good reusable and isolated code ( not like an OO but not a mess ) and there are plenty libraries you can use with C. People often think that C misses many things ( stl or adt in general and other things ) but the philosophy is different. I give you the core, for the rest, choose the library you like and for many things there are a lot of library to use

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#152172

On Sun, 2020-05-10, pier paolo bruno wrote:
...
> C++ is really hard to master and now , for many things

Not in my experience[0].  But this is offtopic, since you (wisely)
trimmed comp.lang.c++ from the Newsgroups: list/

/Jorgen

[0] Unless you define "master" to include the parts of the language
    that's not needed for a typical program.

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#152530

Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:

> On Sun, 2020-05-10, pier paolo bruno wrote:
> ...
>
>> C++ is really hard to master and now , for many things
>
> Not in my experience[0].  But this is offtopic, since you (wisely)
> trimmed comp.lang.c++ from the Newsgroups: list/
>
>
> [0] Unless you define "master" to include the parts of the language
>     that's not needed for a typical program.

I think you mean something different from what you're saying.
What I think you mean is it isn't (really) hard to get a good
working knowledge of C++.  For example, iterators are a language
element we expect often would be used in a typical program.  I
think it isn't hard to get a good working knowledge of C++
iterators.  I think it is hard though to master C++ iterators.
Does this description match what you want to express?

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#152636

On Sat, 2020-05-30, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 2020-05-10, pier paolo bruno wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> C++ is really hard to master and now , for many things
>>
>> Not in my experience[0].  But this is offtopic, since you (wisely)
>> trimmed comp.lang.c++ from the Newsgroups: list/
>>
>>
>> [0] Unless you define "master" to include the parts of the language
>>     that's not needed for a typical program.
>
> I think you mean something different from what you're saying.
> What I think you mean is it isn't (really) hard to get a good
> working knowledge of C++.  For example, iterators are a language
> element we expect often would be used in a typical program.  I
> think it isn't hard to get a good working knowledge of C++
> iterators.  I think it is hard though to master C++ iterators.
> Does this description match what you want to express?

Yes. The poster I quoted used the word "master" but seemed to mean
your "good working knowledge".

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#152171

> It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. ...

I think that is has been formerly used in places where now Java and
.NET are used. Many business-applications have been written in C++
because there wasn't any alternative in the past.
Now it is only used where systems-programming and / or performance
are required.

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#152183

W dniu niedziela, 10 maja 2020 19:25:51 UTC+2 użytkownik jacobnavia napisał:
> Le 10/05/2020 à 19:08, Bonita Montero a écrit :
> > Am 10.05.2020 um 18:58 schrieb jacobnavia:
> >> https://jaxenter.com/c-programming-may-2020-171598.html
> >> C increased by 2.82% to 17.07%
> >> C++ going down 1,97% to 6,13%
> > 
> > I think this is not because C is used so often in practice,
> > but because C is a good language for learning for system
> > -oriented programming.
> > In practice, C is usually too uneconomical compared to other
> > languages. This means that you need more time to do the same
> > task and you make more mistakes.
> 
> It would be interesting to reflect why C++ has gone down so much. Of 
> course I have my ideas (just too difficult to learn) but it would be 
> nice if we could make a common diagnostic.
> 
> Without falling into personal wars of course.

c is also hard to learn, guess how many time took to me tu fully understand c - 10 years

recently i think C community (or society, or how to call it) worldwide needs one thing: good book on modern c, and recently i think if i shouldnt wrote it

but the problem is probably publishing that

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#152186

> c is also hard to learn, ...

C is extremely easy to learn. I learned when I was 14 with the
K&R-book in a week (with a good assembly-background). But it is
painful to write larger programs in C because C lacks modern
language-facilities.

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#152188

W dniu poniedziałek, 11 maja 2020 15:49:19 UTC+2 użytkownik Bonita Montero napisał:
> > c is also hard to learn, ...
> 
> C is extremely easy to learn. I learned when I was 14 with the
> K&R-book in a week (with a good assembly-background). But it is
> painful to write larger programs in C because C lacks modern
> language-facilities.

you never learned it...and this makes you talk untrue bulshit on it..you seimple seem to dont know how to write sole decent program in c (and get off, btw i lost patience for you, im sorry)

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#152190

> you never learned it...and this makes you talk untrue bulshit on it..you seimple seem to dont know how to write sole decent program in c (and get off, btw i lost patience for you, im sorry)

You cant assess this.  You are a bloody beginner and you don't
have the mindset to be a programmer. This will never change.

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#152192

W dniu poniedziałek, 11 maja 2020 15:59:27 UTC+2 użytkownik Bonita Montero napisał:
> > you never learned it...and this makes you talk untrue bulshit on it..you seimple seem to dont know how to write sole decent program in c (and get off, btw i lost patience for you, im sorry)
> 
> You cant assess this.  You are a bloody beginner and you don't
> have the mindset to be a programmer. This will never change.

marked as spam... your comments are false and stupid and it is spam, so sorry i dont talk to spammers (may slap them with a virtual fish at most)

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#152194

> marked as spam... your comments are false and stupid and it is spam, so sorry i dont talk to spammers (may slap them with a virtual fish at most)

You'll be fixed to C at a novice's level for the rest of your life.

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#152208

fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> wrote:

> may slap them with a virtual fish at most

With a large trout.

* fir slaps around a bit with a large trout

Reminds me of the old mIRC days...

-- 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSzL1DqQn0

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#152187

fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> wrote:

> recently i think C community (or society, or how to call it) worldwide 
> needs one thing: good book on modern c, and recently i think if i 
> shouldnt wrote it

Do it. By all means, please do it.

> but the problem is probably publishing that

Use KDP: https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/

-- 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSzL1DqQn0

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#152191

W dniu poniedziałek, 11 maja 2020 15:49:50 UTC+2 użytkownik Queequeg napisał:
> fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > recently i think C community (or society, or how to call it) worldwide 
> > needs one thing: good book on modern c, and recently i think if i 
> > shouldnt wrote it
> 
> Do it. By all means, please do it.
> 
> > but the problem is probably publishing that
> 
> Use KDP: https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
> 

hmm, i will think

its not that i find a writing a book on modern c so much fun (i know other numerous sources of fun), but the fact is people need that (they may dont know they need that hovever)

the worry is if i would get so much pages to fill whole book, as i wopuld like to tell on most important things and if you talk only on most important things it may not be so long

couls do some pieces on 

1) what is c and what it 'got' (types constructs)
2) low level implementation/translation (a dose on dlls as its so much important)
3) on naming and code organisation 
4) a dose on optimisation (teach people how to measure as most dont know it well)
5) ???
6) ???
7) ???

think i would need at least 70 pages or so

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