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How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

Started byLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
Last post2024-02-16 04:11 +0100
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  How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 00:53 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 02:10 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-10 07:31 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 01:13 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 09:27 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 10:16 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 10:36 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 13:17 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 14:08 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:41 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:03 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 10:46 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 14:43 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 14:42 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:54 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 16:35 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 17:22 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:34 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:02 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 19:46 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 21:48 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:09 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:23 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:37 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:46 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 17:38 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:49 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:04 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 10:28 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 18:52 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 20:20 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 13:11 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 23:11 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 22:14 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:22 -0500
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-27 12:40 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-27 13:21 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-29 21:29 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 02:37 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 03:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 15:02 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:46 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:16 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:17 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:53 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:49 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:36 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:58 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:45 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:49 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-11 00:11 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:50 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:15 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:45 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:17 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-11 01:08 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:18 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 17:34 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:42 +0000
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 18:00 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 05:30 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 21:37 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:16 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:12 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:34 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 11:38 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 14:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 13:57 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 16:04 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:20 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:13 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 17:43 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 03:47 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 20:12 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:44 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:38 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:43 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-15 15:55 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:27 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 10:06 +0100
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:55 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 18:05 +0100
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 18:00 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:40 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 20:27 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 09:07 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 09:35 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 11:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:12 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 14:15 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 12:32 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-13 13:56 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 15:10 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:20 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:35 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:27 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 19:54 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 21:08 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 21:15 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:45 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:22 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:43 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:58 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 22:56 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:30 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 02:48 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:35 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 11:11 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 10:43 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:32 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:23 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:27 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:37 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:46 +0000
                                                          Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 11:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:14 +0200
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 14:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 16:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 17:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 17:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 19:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 21:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:47 +0000
                                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 01:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 03:08 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 11:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 16:40 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 18:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 10:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:05 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:41 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 15:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:16 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 21:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 05:53 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 09:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:58 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:47 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:57 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:18 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:14 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 19:53 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:17 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:42 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:00 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 14:19 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:51 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:21 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:54 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:37 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:20 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 13:47 +0000
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                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 20:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:16 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:39 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:40 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:46 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 16:06 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 18:12 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:06 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 00:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 08:58 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 14:21 +0000
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                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 05:45 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 08:41 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:27 -0500
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 23:56 -0500
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:10 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 19:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:35 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:43 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:40 +0000
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                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 11:25 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:24 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-22 01:37 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-20 18:47 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:14 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 15:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:16 +0100
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 16:28 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:09 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:04 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 00:05 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:32 -0500
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 12:37 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:29 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:34 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:19 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 18:19 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 17:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 09:46 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 11:01 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 20:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:03 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 00:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 00:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 01:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 13:03 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-21 01:35 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:11 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:13 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-21 01:29 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:12 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:00 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:42 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:18 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 17:22 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 07:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-18 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-18 11:30 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:00 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 12:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:19 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:48 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:41 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:16 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:54 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:23 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:13 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:04 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:10 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 16:01 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 15:54 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:08 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 20:13 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:33 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:52 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-17 17:35 -0500
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:23 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:53 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-19 15:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 04:34 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:18 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-19 00:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 23:22 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:20 -0800
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 21:24 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-16 21:39 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 16:52 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-17 01:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-17 10:08 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-18 04:32 -0800
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 14:02 -0800
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:30 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 05:07 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:09 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:07 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 16:54 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 18:46 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 19:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:01 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:59 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:21 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:47 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 17:11 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-16 08:33 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-16 17:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 15:56 -0800
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:18 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 02:29 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:59 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:11 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:11 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:14 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:50 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:45 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 10:01 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:44 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:42 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:09 +0200
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:09 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:54 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 17:42 +0200
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:56 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 21:07 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 10:15 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:52 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 22:20 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:18 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:00 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 09:00 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:23 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:20 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:46 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:14 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:11 +0200
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:36 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:55 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:11 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 02:19 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-14 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 20:10 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:14 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:13 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:46 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:26 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:36 +0200
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 15:29 +0100
                                          [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 07:54 +0100
                                            Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:34 +0100
                                              Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:49 +0100
                                                Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:04 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 16:38 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 18:25 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:23 -0800
                                                      Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:41 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:29 -0800
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-02-16 18:11 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:47 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:15 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:48 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:16 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:03 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:49 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-16 15:35 +0200
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:54 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:52 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 13:15 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:49 +0100
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 14:51 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 15:33 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:09 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:48 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:47 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:57 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:14 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:14 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:34 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:21 +0100
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:59 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 12:02 +0200
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:54 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 08:03 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 20:31 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:53 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:47 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:42 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:40 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:04 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:11 -0800
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:31 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 16:10 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 16:45 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:35 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:07 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:45 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-18 12:37 -0500
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:30 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:46 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 06:12 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:38 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:57 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:28 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:02 +0200
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:36 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 11:01 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:31 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:43 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:10 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:06 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:09 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:14 +0100
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:13 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 07:54 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:48 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:58 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:31 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 19:17 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:07 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:50 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 15:58 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:52 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:23 +0200
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 17:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:41 +0200
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:31 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:34 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:40 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:20 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:38 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:14 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 15:43 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 16:57 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:29 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:22 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 17:33 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:49 +0200
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:01 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 20:19 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 19:02 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:25 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 21:54 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:17 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:07 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-09 19:47 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:31 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-10 08:05 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 17:06 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:39 +0100
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-11 17:21 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:12 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:15 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:13 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:52 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:09 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:11 +0100

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#382813

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-20 10:02 +0000
Message-ID<ur1tbh$2emq1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382757
On 19/02/2024 15:15, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 18/02/2024 23:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:53:39 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you need an efficient way to calculate such hypotenuses, the function
>>>> "hypot" will get you /into/ trouble.
>>>
>>> Tip: something that programmers *do* frequently find surprising is that
>>> their intuitions over which parts of their code to optimize and which ones
>>> not to are all too frequently wrong.
>>>
>> I rarely find that with C. Usually each statement or operator compiles
>> to a single machine instruction.
> 
> You must not look at the output of compiled C very often if
> those are your observations.  Setting up the arguments for
> a function call, for example.  Switch statements.  Loops.
> 
> Try 'objdump -dS' sometime.

C
foo();

ASM
jump_and_link foo:

C
foo(x);

ASM
register1 = register_that_held_x
jump_and_link foo:

That's what I expect. But what do you actually get?

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#382752

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-19 09:36 +0100
Message-ID<uqv3u4$1pd4r$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382727
On 19/02/2024 00:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:53:39 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> If you need an efficient way to calculate such hypotenuses, the function
>> "hypot" will get you /into/ trouble.
> 
> Tip: something that programmers *do* frequently find surprising is that
> their intuitions over which parts of their code to optimize and which ones
> not to are all too frequently wrong.

That is absolutely true.

And they also regularly misunderstand what actually affects the speed of 
their code.  This is particularly true for "big" systems, where a single 
cache miss can make as much difference as many dozens of instructions, 
and where pipelining, scheduling and out-of-order execution makes it 
very difficult to figure out the real bottlenecks.

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#382737

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 04:34 +0100
Message-ID<uqui93$1mitf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382721
On 18.02.2024 23:53, David Brown wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:59:28 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>>
>>> It could well be a surprise to non-experts that there is a function
>>> "hypot" in the C library, rather than just writing "sqrt(x*x + y*y)".
>>> [...]
> 
> If you need an efficient way to calculate such hypotenuses, the function
> "hypot" will get you /into/ trouble.  Typical use-cases would be in
> games or graphics programming.  The range issues are totally irrelevant,
> and you need a final accuracy of your calculations to the nearest pixel
> - you don't care about the LSB's (even for single-precision floats). But
> you /do/ care about speed.

And not only to the nearest pixel. - Reminds me roguelike games (like
Nethack) that work on _character maps_. They completely avoided using
the 'float' types in Nethack and did all arithmetic in integer; even
with (in their context rarely necessary) functions like sqrt()...

/* integer square root function without using floating point */
int
isqrt(val)
int val;
{
    int rt = 0;
    int odd = 1;
    /*
     * This could be replaced by a faster algorithm, but has not been
because:
     * + the simple algorithm is easy to read;
     * + this algorithm does not require 64-bit support;
     * + in current usage, the values passed to isqrt() are not really that
     *   large, so the performance difference is negligible;
     * + isqrt() is used in only few places, which are not bottle-necks.
     */
    while (val >= odd) {
        val = val - odd;
        odd = odd + 2;
        rt = rt + 1;
    }
    return rt;
}


Janis

> [...]

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#382744

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-19 05:18 +0000
Message-ID<uquob7$1ncfn$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382737
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 04:34:59 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> They completely avoided using
> the 'float' types in Nethack and did all arithmetic in integer ...

Back then, floating-point hardware cost extra, and cheaper machines 
(particularly in the PC market) usually did without.

Some programs did calculations in fixed-point, to get some fractional part 
without going whole hog with floats.

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#382746

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2024-02-19 00:39 -0500
Message-ID<uquphk$1ngal$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382711
On 2/18/24 17:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:59:28 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> It could well be a surprise to non-experts that there is a function
>> "hypot" in the C library, rather than just writing "sqrt(x*x + y*y)".
> 
> What kind of programmer is it, that it would be so easy to surprise them 
> just by pointing out something in the documentation?

A fairly normal one, in my experience. Few programmers have the standard
memorized, certainly not me. I am sufficiently familiar with it to know
where to go looking if I have a question, but even that level of
familiarity is rare. In particular, there's lots of programmers not
particularly interested in or familiar with the math library. Most of
those would consider hypot() an obscure function. I was working on a
NASA contract on scientific software when I introduced hypot() into a
function, and at least half the people who reviewed the code needed to
be reminded what it does.

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#382790

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 01:35 +0000
Message-ID<ur0vlr$252u4$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382746
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:39:00 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:

> In particular, there's lots of programmers not
> particularly interested in or familiar with the math library. Most of
> those would consider hypot() an obscure function. I was working on a
> NASA contract on scientific software when I introduced hypot() into a
> function, and at least half the people who reviewed the code needed to
> be reminded what it does.

Interesting that they would be qualified to review maths-intensive code, 
without having to be familiar with the maths library.

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#382806

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2024-02-20 03:18 -0500
Message-ID<ur1n8e$2da8f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382790
On 2/19/24 20:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:39:00 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:
> 
>> In particular, there's lots of programmers not
>> particularly interested in or familiar with the math library. Most of
>> those would consider hypot() an obscure function. I was working on a
>> NASA contract on scientific software when I introduced hypot() into a
>> function, and at least half the people who reviewed the code needed to
>> be reminded what it does.
> 
> Interesting that they would be qualified to review maths-intensive code, 
> without having to be familiar with the maths library.

They were very familiar with the commonly used math functions, and in
particular the ones that had long been part of the C library. Keep in
mind that hypot() was added in C99, which was slow to be adopted. The
changes to the math library were extensive, and technical, as a result
of which they were among the last parts of C99 to be widely adopted. At
the time I'm remembering, C99 was only about 10 years old.
Also, NASA is a conservative organization - you might think that they
concentrate on cutting edge technology, but they also has a strong
preference for reliability - it's hard to do maintenance on a device
once it's been launched. At that time we were still bound by a contract
with NASA that required that we deliver code that conformed to C90 plus
the 1994 amendments. The only reason I was permitted to use hypot() was
that this was purely internal code, not delivered code.

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#382815

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-20 10:11 +0000
Message-ID<ur1ts7$2emq1$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382806
On 20/02/2024 08:18, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2/19/24 20:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:39:00 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:
>>
>>> In particular, there's lots of programmers not
>>> particularly interested in or familiar with the math library. Most of
>>> those would consider hypot() an obscure function. I was working on a
>>> NASA contract on scientific software when I introduced hypot() into a
>>> function, and at least half the people who reviewed the code needed to
>>> be reminded what it does.
>>
>> Interesting that they would be qualified to review maths-intensive code,
>> without having to be familiar with the maths library.
> 
> They were very familiar with the commonly used math functions, and in
> particular the ones that had long been part of the C library. Keep in
> mind that hypot() was added in C99, which was slow to be adopted. The
> changes to the math library were extensive, and technical, as a result
> of which they were among the last parts of C99 to be widely adopted. At
> the time I'm remembering, C99 was only about 10 years old.
> Also, NASA is a conservative organization - you might think that they
> concentrate on cutting edge technology, but they also has a strong
> preference for reliability - it's hard to do maintenance on a device
> once it's been launched. At that time we were still bound by a contract
> with NASA that required that we deliver code that conformed to C90 plus
> the 1994 amendments. The only reason I was permitted to use hypot() was
> that this was purely internal code, not delivered code.

Yes. It's much more likely than that hypot() will be unavailable
and this will be the problem than that somone will need an accurate 
value for a vector with members pushing DBL_MAX, and this will be the 
problem.

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#382864

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 23:16 +0000
Message-ID<ur3bsc$2nf9c$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382815
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:11:19 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> this will be the problem than that somone will need an accurate value
> for a vector with members pushing DBL_MAX, and this will be the problem.

Remember that one of the key goals of IEEE754 was to minimize surprises 
for those who are not complete wizards at numerical techniques (i.e. 
nearly all of us).

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#382865

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-02-20 23:22 +0000
Message-ID<20240220152125.473@kylheku.com>
In reply to#382864
On 2024-02-20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:11:19 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>
>> this will be the problem than that somone will need an accurate value
>> for a vector with members pushing DBL_MAX, and this will be the problem.
>
> Remember that one of the key goals of IEEE754 was to minimize surprises 
> for those who are not complete wizards at numerical techniques (i.e. 
> nearly all of us).

That seems exactly like the kind of goal that requires throwing some
of the math under the bus.

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#382586

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-16 12:20 -0800
Message-ID<uqog2r$mfo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382558
On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:41:23 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> 
>> I can't remember the precedence relationships beyond a few very
>> conventional and well known ones.
> 
> No need to. This is why we have documentation. Keep it handy, and don’t be
> ashamed to refer to it often, even in the presence of colleagues.

Agreed. In fact, double checking something in front of colleagues might 
make them feel better, so to speak. Too ashamed to double check 
something can lead to errors, bug, oh my! :^)

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#382588

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-16 21:24 +0000
Message-ID<uqojpo$1bhj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382586
On 16/02/2024 20:20, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:41:23 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>
>>> I can't remember the precedence relationships beyond a few very
>>> conventional and well known ones.
>>
>> No need to. This is why we have documentation. Keep it handy, and 
>> don’t be
>> ashamed to refer to it often, even in the presence of colleagues.
> 
> Agreed. In fact, double checking something in front of colleagues might 
> make them feel better, so to speak. Too ashamed to double check 
> something can lead to errors, bug, oh my! :^)

Usually it's pretty clear what the expression should say, so whip 
parentheses in. Rerun. If behaviour changes, that was your bug. If not, 
at least you've made it clearer. But you never actually find out what 
the precedence relations are.
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#382589

FromRichard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid>
Date2024-02-16 21:39 +0000
Message-ID<uqokma$1grb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382588
On 16/02/2024 21:24, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 16/02/2024 20:20, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:41:23 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't remember the precedence relationships beyond a few very
>>>> conventional and well known ones.
>>>
>>> No need to. This is why we have documentation. Keep it handy, and 
>>> don’t be
>>> ashamed to refer to it often, even in the presence of colleagues.
>>
>> Agreed. In fact, double checking something in front of colleagues 
>> might make them feel better, so to speak. Too ashamed to double check 
>> something can lead to errors, bug, oh my! :^)
> 
> Usually it's pretty clear what the expression should say, so whip 
> parentheses in. Rerun. If behaviour changes, that was your bug. If not, 
> at least you've made it clearer. But you never actually find out what 
> the precedence relations are.

Just use parentheses; Your precedence-fu may fail tomorrow.

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#382597

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
Message-ID<uqopt9$25h4$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382589
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:39:22 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:

> Just use parentheses; Your precedence-fu may fail tomorrow.

Not if you have the documentation handy, to refer to.

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#382605

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-16 16:52 -0800
Message-ID<8734tr9ajg.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#382588
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> On 16/02/2024 20:20, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:41:23 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't remember the precedence relationships beyond a few very
>>>> conventional and well known ones.
>>>
>>> No need to. This is why we have documentation. Keep it handy, and
>>> don’t be
>>> ashamed to refer to it often, even in the presence of colleagues.
>> Agreed. In fact, double checking something in front of colleagues
>> might make them feel better, so to speak. Too ashamed to double
>> check something can lead to errors, bug, oh my! :^)
>
> Usually it's pretty clear what the expression should say, so whip
> parentheses in. Rerun. If behaviour changes, that was your bug. If
> not, at least you've made it clearer. But you never actually find out
> what the precedence relations are.

Is that a joke?

Would you seriously add parentheses to an expression and re-run to see
if the behavior changes *without bothering to look up the actual
precedence rules*?

-- 
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Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#382607

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-02-17 01:43 +0000
Message-ID<20240216173439.610@kylheku.com>
In reply to#382605
On 2024-02-17, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> Usually it's pretty clear what the expression should say, so whip
>> parentheses in. Rerun. If behaviour changes, that was your bug. If
>> not, at least you've made it clearer. But you never actually find out
>> what the precedence relations are.
>
> Is that a joke?
>
> Would you seriously add parentheses to an expression and re-run to see
> if the behavior changes *without bothering to look up the actual
> precedence rules*?

It seems it might be mildly useful to have (? ...) parentheses which
override precedence and associativily like the regular ones, but emit a
diagnostic.

If the parentheses are necessary, the diagnostic indicates that.

If the parentheses do nothing, it also indicates that.

So based on the diagnostic, you remove just the ? or the entire
(? ...).

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#382609

FromRichard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid>
Date2024-02-17 10:08 +0000
Message-ID<uqq0jb$2v4l5$1@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#382607
On 17/02/2024 01:43, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2024-02-17, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Usually it's pretty clear what the expression should say, so whip
>>> parentheses in. Rerun. If behaviour changes, that was your bug. If
>>> not, at least you've made it clearer. But you never actually find out
>>> what the precedence relations are.
>>
>> Is that a joke?
>>
>> Would you seriously add parentheses to an expression and re-run to see
>> if the behavior changes *without bothering to look up the actual
>> precedence rules*?
> 
> It seems it might be mildly useful to have (? ...) parentheses which
> override precedence and associativily like the regular ones, but emit a
> diagnostic.
> 
> If the parentheses are necessary, the diagnostic indicates that.
> 
> If the parentheses do nothing, it also indicates that.
> 
> So based on the diagnostic, you remove just the ? or the entire
> (? ...).
> 

Okay, but they help with semantics, so just leave them in.
Is it better to remove them and add a commnent ... ? // didn't expect that!

Do extra parens in the source - when they turn out to be unnecessary - 
result in bloated executable size?  Or will the compiler optimise them away?

Do extra parens in the source help the human reader?

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#382675

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-02-18 04:32 -0800
Message-ID<86cysux89n.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#382609
Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> writes:

> On 17/02/2024 01:43, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

[.. ideas for how to deal with parentheses and precedence ..]

>> It seems it might be mildly useful to have (? ...) parentheses
>> which override precedence and associativily like the regular ones,
>> but emit a diagnostic.
>>
>> If the parentheses are necessary, the diagnostic indicates that.
>>
>> If the parentheses do nothing, it also indicates that.
>>
>> So based on the diagnostic, you remove just the ? or the entire
>> (? ...).
>
> Okay, but they help with semantics, so just leave them in.  Is it
> better to remove them and add a commnent ... ? // didn't expect
> that!
>
> Do extra parens in the source - when they turn out to be
> unnecessary - result in bloated executable size?

Almost certainly not.

> Or will the compiler optimise them away?

Probably the code will be transformed, prior to code generation,
to an internal form where parentheses don't even exist, so no
further effort is needed to remove superfluous parentheses.

> Do extra parens in the source help the human reader?

Let's consider an example.  Suppose we see this line of code:

    if(  (a == b) & (c == d)  ) ...

(I have put in extra spaces inside the if() parentheses so the
condition being tested stands out more.)

The parentheses in the test condition are unnecessary.  Why are
they there?  Was the author

   confused about what the rules are?

   unsure of what the rules are, and put them in to be safe?

   aware that the parentheses are unnecessary, but put them
   in because a co-worker is known to be confused or unsure?

   confident that everyone on the team knows the rules, but
   added the unnecessary parentheses because of some internal
   coding standard or belief about good practices, etc?

Without more information it's difficult to guess which of those
possibilities explains the situation.

By contrast, suppose we see this line:

    if(  a==b & c==d  ) ...

First, it is reasonable to infer that the author believes the
equality comparisons will be done before the bitwise and (and
that belief is correct as far as C is concerned).

Second, the extra spaces allow that assumption to be verified,
either by the compiler or by a stand-alone tool, and a warning
given if the assumption was wrong (for example, if the '&' had
instead been a '+').

Third, the extra spaces help a reader understand both how the
expression is parsed and that the author knows the rules and the
code accurately reflects how the program will in fact behave.

Fourth, the visual appearance of the second line makes it easier
to assimilate than the first line (not rigorously tested, but
there is anecdotal evidence that it's true).

Even if extra parentheses in the source do help a human reader
(and certainly they can in some cases), in my view it seems clear
that there is more benefit to choosing the extra spaces style
than the extra parentheses style.

Just some things to think about...

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#382707

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-18 14:02 -0800
Message-ID<87h6i577o8.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#382675
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
[...]
> By contrast, suppose we see this line:
>
>     if(  a==b & c==d  ) ...
>
> First, it is reasonable to infer that the author believes the
> equality comparisons will be done before the bitwise and (and
> that belief is correct as far as C is concerned).
>
> Second, the extra spaces allow that assumption to be verified,
> either by the compiler or by a stand-alone tool, and a warning
> given if the assumption was wrong (for example, if the '&' had
> instead been a '+').

Do you know of any C compilers or standalone tools that give this kind
of warning based on spacing?  I don't.

-- 
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Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#382714

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-18 22:30 +0000
Message-ID<uqu0dh$1fckl$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382707
On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:02:15 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:

> Do you know of any C compilers or standalone tools that give this kind
> of warning based on spacing?  I don't.

I thought GCC had something, so I checked through the man page. I
didn’t quite find that, but I did find these interesting ones:

   -Wparentheses
       Warn if parentheses are omitted in certain contexts, such as
       when there is an assignment in a context where a truth value is
       expected, or when operators are nested whose precedence people
       often get confused about.

       Also warn if a comparison like "x<=y<=z" appears; this is
       equivalent to "(x<=y ? 1 : 0) <= z", which is a different
       interpretation from that of ordinary mathematical notation.

       Also warn for dangerous uses of the GNU extension to "?:" with
       omitted middle operand. When the condition in the "?": operator
       is a boolean expression, the omitted value is always 1. Often
       programmers expect it to be a value computed inside the
       conditional expression instead.

       For C++ this also warns for some cases of unnecessary
       parentheses in declarations, which can indicate an attempt at a
       function call instead of a declaration:

               {
                 // Declares a local variable called mymutex.
                 std::unique_lock<std::mutex> (mymutex);
                 // User meant std::unique_lock<std::mutex> lock (mymutex);
               }

   -Wlogical-op
       Warn about suspicious uses of logical operators in expressions.
       This includes using logical operators in contexts where a
       bit-wise operator is likely to be expected.

   -Wxor-used-as-pow (C, C++, Objective-C and Objective-C++ only)
       Warn about uses of "^", the exclusive or operator, where it
       appears the user meant exponentiation. Specifically, the
       warning occurs when the left-hand side is the decimal constant
       2 or 10 and the right-hand side is also a decimal constant.

       In C and C++, "^" means exclusive or, whereas in some other
       languages (e.g. TeX and some versions of BASIC) it means
       exponentiation.

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