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Python recompile

Started bydoctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
First post2025-03-02 14:35 +0000
Last post2025-03-04 05:46 +0000
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  Python recompile doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-03-02 14:35 +0000
    Re: Python recompile Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-03-02 15:54 +0000
      Re: Python recompile Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-03-02 16:58 +0000
        Re: Python recompile Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-03-02 17:08 +0000
          Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 08:14 +0000
        Re: Python recompile James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-03-02 12:30 -0500
          Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-02 18:35 +0000
            Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-03 10:29 -0800
          Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 08:13 +0000
            Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 08:31 +0000
              Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 10:44 +0000
                Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-03 12:20 +0000
                  Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 15:03 +0000
                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-03 16:39 +0000
                Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 12:47 +0000
                  Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 15:06 +0000
            Re: Python recompile James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-03-03 10:22 -0500
              Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 16:19 +0000
              Re: Python recompile geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 11:24 -0500
                Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 16:26 +0000
                Re: Python recompile James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-03-03 11:39 -0500
                  Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-03 16:56 +0000
                    Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-03 18:22 +0100
                      Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 08:31 +0000
                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-04 17:28 +0000
                    Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 17:25 +0000
                      Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 08:32 +0000
                        Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-04 08:56 +0000
                          Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 09:23 +0000
                            Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-04 09:57 +0000
                              Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 10:03 +0000
                                Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:25 +0000
                                  Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 11:19 +0000
                                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-04 12:27 +0000
                                      Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-04 13:15 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-04 17:56 +0000
                                Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-04 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-04 18:16 +0000
                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 00:16 +0000
                                      Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-05 01:20 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 02:20 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-05 11:46 +0000
                                            Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-05 14:12 +0000
                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:37 +0000
                                                Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-06 08:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-06 20:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile Mark Bourne <nntp.mbourne@spamgourmet.com> - 2025-03-07 20:34 +0000
                                                  Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 21:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-07 09:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-07 21:17 +0000
                                            Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-05 15:36 -0800
                                              Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-06 00:37 +0000
                                                Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-06 13:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-06 23:55 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-13 14:52 -0700
                                                      Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-15 11:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-19 00:14 -0700
                                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-19 16:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-21 00:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-07 01:51 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-13 14:49 -0700
                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 02:28 +0000
                                              Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-06 11:15 +0000
                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 22:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-07 15:48 +0100
                                    Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-05 09:10 +0000
                                      Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 22:08 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-06 00:01 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:45 +0000
                                      Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-06 19:21 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-06 20:16 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 21:30 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-07 01:07 +0000
                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-08 02:26 +0000
                                              Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-11 00:06 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 21:27 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-07 09:53 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-07 14:00 +0000
                                            Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-07 14:09 +0000
                                              Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-07 18:02 +0000
                                                Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 12:15 -0800
                                                  Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-07 21:30 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-07 22:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 15:21 -0800
                                                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-08 05:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile flexibeast@gmail.com - 2025-03-08 09:55 +1100
                                                    Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 15:46 -0800
                                                      Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-08 02:05 +0000
                                                        Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 23:19 -0800
                                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-08 10:12 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 06:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-08 19:29 +0200
                                                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-08 18:15 +0000
                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 13:13 -0800
                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 23:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 01:26 +0200
                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-09 02:30 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 11:28 +0200
                                                                Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 14:26 +0200
                                                                What is the source language? (Was: Python recompile) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-09 13:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-09 17:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-09 18:06 +0000
                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-09 21:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 15:20 +0200
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-10 15:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 17:12 +0000
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 18:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 19:26 +0000
                                                                            History of poll() API (was: Python recompile) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 11:12 +0200
                                                                              Re: History of poll() API (was: Python recompile) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 15:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: History of poll() API (was: Python recompile) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 19:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-11 08:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 14:12 +0000
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-11 14:24 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-11 08:34 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:52 +0000
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-12 08:11 +0000
                                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 01:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-14 10:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-14 15:10 +0000
                                                                            Something other than... (Was: Python recompile) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-12 12:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 21:55 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 00:24 +0200
                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 17:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0700
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-13 16:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:19 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 17:56 -0700
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 03:07 +0000
                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 21:25 -0700
                                                                                Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 21:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 14:22 -0700
                                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 06:38 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 16:50 -0700
                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 01:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 06:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 12:53 -0700
                                                                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 20:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:09 -0700
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:44 -0700
                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:45 -0700
                                                                                Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:48 -0700
                                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 19:01 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 03:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 21:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 06:39 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 14:12 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 17:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 00:45 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 20:04 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 03:12 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 21:22 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 13:09 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 22:25 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 20:36 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 15:07 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-13 23:17 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 16:45 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 16:49 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 16:58 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 17:01 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 01:48 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 12:46 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 12:48 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 15:13 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 15:14 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 21:20 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 15:06 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 16:25 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 16:29 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 02:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 19:35 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 01:16 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 19:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 19:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 19:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 05:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-15 13:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-16 06:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-16 16:20 -0700
                                                            Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-09 18:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 22:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-10 10:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-10 16:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 17:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-10 17:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:12 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 18:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 18:00 -0700
                                                          Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-11 01:33 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 14:24 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-11 16:06 +0100
                                                                Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 16:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-11 16:49 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-11 18:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 17:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 20:09 +0200
                                                                      Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 20:17 +0200
                                                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 21:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 00:58 +0200
                                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 00:43 +0000
                                                                              Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 10:53 +0200
                                                                                Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-12 14:04 +0000
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                                                                                  Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 13:22 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 02:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-13 12:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 22:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers (Was: Python recompile) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-13 23:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Motivation of tccc mainatainers yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-14 00:47 +0042
                                                                      Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-11 21:20 +0100
                                                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 21:18 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-03-11 21:26 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 15:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-12 11:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-12 11:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-12 15:58 +0100
                                                                                Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 17:32 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-12 17:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-12 17:12 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 00:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-13 00:33 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 02:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-13 11:16 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-13 14:40 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:34 +0000
                                                                                Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0100
                                                                            Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 12:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 21:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 19:34 +0200
                                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 14:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 11:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 12:58 -0700
                                                                  Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 21:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 22:24 +0000
                                                                      Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-12 01:15 +0200
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 16:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 17:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 17:29 -0700
                                                                    Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-11 21:18 -0700
                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:37 +0000
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                                                                  Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 23:46 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-10 06:54 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-14 00:37 +0000
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                                                                Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 11:32 +0200
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                                                                    Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 12:32 +0200
                                                                      Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-14 14:33 +0000
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                                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 23:01 +0000
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                                                                      Re: Python recompile Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-03-14 19:37 +0000
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                                                                          Re: Python recompile Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-03-14 21:35 +0000
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                                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 01:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-16 10:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-16 12:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-16 14:21 +0000
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                                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 01:13 +0000
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                                                                          Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 15:15 -0700
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                                                                              Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 17:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 02:30 +0000
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                                                                                                              Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-18 16:27 +0000
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                                                                      Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-16 01:58 +0000
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                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 23:02 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-09 15:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 00:55 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 11:21 +0000
                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 07:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 13:49 +0200
                                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 06:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Python recompile Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-03-09 08:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 11:43 +0200
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                                                              Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-09 21:54 +0000
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                                                                  Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 00:57 +0000
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                                                                        Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-11 13:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-13 14:41 -0700
                                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-09 21:52 +0000
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                                                            Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-10 13:00 +0000
                                                        Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-10 11:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-10 17:33 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 18:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-11 03:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 13:14 -0800
                                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 16:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 01:40 +0000
                                                          Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:09 -0700
                                                            Re: Python recompile "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:17 -0700
                                            Re: Python recompile Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 11:52 -0800
                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-07 21:35 +0000
                                              Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-09 16:14 +0000
                                                Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:26 +0000
                                        Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-07 21:26 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-07 21:33 +0000
                                            Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-07 22:17 +0000
                                          Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-10 14:39 +0000
                                    Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 03:16 +0000
                          Re: Python recompile James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-03-04 19:12 -0500
                    Re: Python recompile gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-03 23:42 +0000
                  Re: Python recompile geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 13:29 -0500
                    Re: Python recompile James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-03-03 16:52 -0500
                Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 17:19 +0000
                  Re: Python recompile geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 13:33 -0500
                    Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 19:15 +0000
                      Re: Python recompile geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 18:51 -0500
                        Re: Python recompile Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-04 00:49 +0000
                        Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-04 02:29 +0000
                    Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-04 09:12 +0100
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                Re: Python recompile David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-03 18:28 +0100
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                      Re: Python recompile Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 02:22 +0000
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                    Re: Python recompile Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-03-06 21:39 +0000
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            Re: Python recompile doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-03-03 16:12 +0000
    Re: Python recompile antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 17:54 +0000
      Re: Python recompile Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-02 19:15 +0000
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          Re: Python recompile doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-03-03 00:46 +0000
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          Re: Python recompile scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-03 18:02 +0000
          Re: Python recompile bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-03-03 19:37 +0000
          Re: Python recompile Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-03 17:59 -0800
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#390787

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-05 02:20 +0000
Message-ID<vq8cdq$24hi9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390786
On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:

> I maintain my own scripting language. Building it from source - on 
> Windows - takes 70ms:

How wonderful. Does it offer Python-style features?

<https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#special-method-names>
<https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#descriptors>

<https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/threading.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/multiprocessing.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/concurrent.futures.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/ssl.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/select.html>
<https://docs.python.org/3/library/ctypes.html>

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#390802

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2025-03-05 11:46 +0000
Message-ID<vq9di0$2db82$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390787
On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
> 
>> I maintain my own scripting language. Building it from source - on
>> Windows - takes 70ms:
> 
> How wonderful. Does it offer Python-style features?
> 


No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:

* Named constants (known at compile-time so exprs with them can be reduced)
* Compile-time enumerations, and parallel tables of enums and data
* Jump-table-based 'switch' (this requires those named consts or enums)
* Built-in Support for C-style data types, including C-style structs and 
homogeneous array types
* Built-in FFI for C-style APIs
* Character constants: 'A' and 'ABCDEFGH' (Python needs 'ord("A")')
* Built-in record types with named, mutable members
* Pascal-style bit-sets: ['A'..'Z', '0'..'9']
* Bit (u1/u2/u4) arrays
* 'goto'
* Static local variables within functions
* References and pointers
* Pass-by-reference
* ++ and -- (in Python, ++A is valid but it means +(+A))
* Expression-based syntax (exprs/stmts are interchangeable)
* Well-behaved function default parameters (Python's are iffy)
* main() functions; if one exists, it is called automatically for top 
level module
* Multi-level loop redo, continue and break
* Dedicated endless loops and repeat-N-times loops
* Built-in Print and Read /statements/
* 'Swap' operator
* Built-in maths functions and constants like 'pi'
* Allows any text/binary file to be embedded as a string
* Scope control allows selectively exported entities from a module
* Expression-based macros
* Fast 1.5Mlps bytecode compiler with a built-in feature to create 
single source file amalgamations of projects
* Compact single-file implementation. (This means distributing an app 
involves two files: the interpreter, and the amalgamated source, and 
those could be combined. There is also zero start-up delay, compared to 
find in bundled Python apps)
* Fast, brisk contributor that is generally faster than CPython
* Shares the same syntax as its implementation language

So lots of features I consider fundamental. Python has lots of advanced 
features but is lacking in the basics like this:

   print "Enter 2 values: "
   readln a, b
   fprintln "# + # is #", a, b, a+b

Meanwhile, in Python you can create a class with x, y members, but you 
can do this:

   p.x = 100
   p.z = 200

You've inadvertently created a new member 'z' (it will be an attribute) 
on-the-fly. Or this:

   math.pi = "pie"

Or this:

   def F():
      ....
   F = 42

It is ridiculously and dangerously dynamic.

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#390805

FromMuttley@DastardlyHQ.org
Date2025-03-05 14:12 +0000
Message-ID<vq9m4p$2eqra$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390802
On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:46:08 +0000
bart <bc@freeuk.com> wibbled:
>No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:

Looks pretty good, but unfortunately the languages that become popular are
rarely the best , they just happened to be around at the right time and got
enough critical mass to take off. My personal opinion about Python becoming
popular is it was a pushback against the utter mess that Perl had become and
was fairly simple to pick up.

>   p.x = 100
>   p.z = 200
>
>You've inadvertently created a new member 'z' (it will be an attribute) 
>on-the-fly. Or this:

Pythons compositional object paradigm alongside the class based OO. You can do 
it to a class or an individual object. Its a hacky mess.

>   def F():
>      ....
>   F = 42
>
>It is ridiculously and dangerously dynamic.

Python people would say thats a feature, not a bug.

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#390828

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-06 00:37 +0000
Message-ID<vqaqof$2lg6a$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390805
On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 14:12:41 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:46:08 +0000 bart <bc@freeuk.com> wibbled:
>>
>>   def F():
>>      ....
>>   F = 42
>>
>>It is ridiculously and dangerously dynamic.
> 
> Python people would say thats a feature, not a bug.

Consider that, in Python, functions and classes are themselves first-class 
objects. Function and class definitions are not declarations, they are 
special forms of assignment statement; while the function code is 
generated at compile time, the actual creation of function and class 
objects happens at runtime. If the function/class definition is executed 
multiple times, it creates (and assigns to the function/class name) a new 
object each time.

This, together with lexical binding, allows you to define functions which 
are function factories or class factories.

JavaScript has “const” now, but Python doesn’t; perhaps it should be 
added?

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#390838

FromMuttley@DastardlyHQ.org
Date2025-03-06 08:42 +0000
Message-ID<vqbn4r$2tdu2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390828
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 00:37:35 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled:
>On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 14:12:41 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:46:08 +0000 bart <bc@freeuk.com> wibbled:
>>>
>>>   def F():
>>>      ....
>>>   F = 42
>>>
>>>It is ridiculously and dangerously dynamic.
>> 
>> Python people would say thats a feature, not a bug.
>
>Consider that, in Python, functions and classes are themselves first-class 
>objects. Function and class definitions are not declarations, they are 
>special forms of assignment statement; while the function code is 
>generated at compile time, the actual creation of function and class 
>objects happens at runtime. If the function/class definition is executed 

Compilation and runtime are the same thing in Python arn't they? Can you
precompile code? I'm not an expert on the language to any extent though I
can write simple code in it.

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#390850

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-03-06 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<20250306115048.606@kylheku.com>
In reply to#390838
On 2025-03-06, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
> Compilation and runtime are the same thing in Python arn't they? Can you
> precompile code? I'm not an expert on the language to any extent though I
> can write simple code in it.

Python is ahead-of-time compiled into byte code. Python interpretation
runs the byte code.

In some situations, Python compiles .py file into .pyc files
which are stored in a __pycache__ directory, doing this
as it executes the files.

You can force ahead-of-time file compiling "python3 -m compileall
yourprogram.py".

When you have local imports: e.g. you have a foo.py which has
"import bar", referring to bar.py, and you run "python3 foo.py",
it will compile the bar inport and cache its byte code in a
file in __pycache__.

I suspect that in cases when a .pyc file is not being dropped,
Python does incremental ahead-of-time compiling, meaning that it reads
successive top-level statements of the .py file, compiles them to
bytecode in memory, and immediately executes them, rather than compiling
the whole file first. Quite possibly, it might do this even when it
*is* generating a .pyc file, in those cases when it's doing so
automatically (the foo and bar scenario described above).

When imports are being compiled automatically to .pyc files,
their statements are being executed; like if you have a top-level
print('hello'), you will see the hello output, and you will see
a .pyc file in __pycache__ for that file. Was that hello printed
after the .pyc file was produced, or during? I suspect during.

But anyway, Python obviously has compile time separate from run-time.
Or, should we say, compile times separate from run-times.
There is a time when source is being compiled to byte code, and
that is not the same time as when that byte code is executed.

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#390877

FromMark Bourne <nntp.mbourne@spamgourmet.com>
Date2025-03-07 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<vqfl8c$3nfmd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390850
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> When imports are being compiled automatically to .pyc files,
> their statements are being executed; like if you have a top-level
> print('hello'), you will see the hello output, and you will see
> a .pyc file in __pycache__ for that file. Was that hello printed
> after the .pyc file was produced, or during? I suspect during.

No, the top-level code in the module is executed when the import is 
executed, not when it is compiled.  If the imported module hasn't 
already been compiled to bytecode, that needs to be done before the 
import can be completed.

In your example, "hello" will be printed when the module is imported, 
without any functions etc. within the module being called, but it's done 
when the bytecode is executed, not when it's compiled compilation.  If 
you ran the same program again (after the bytecode had been cached in a 
.pyc file) without modifying the source (so it doesn't need to be 
recompiled), you'd still get that output printed, even though the 
imported module isn't compiled again.

-- 
Mark.

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#390855

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-06 21:22 +0000
Message-ID<vqd3mb$35294$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390838
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:42:03 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:

> Compilation and runtime are the same thing in Python arn't they?

No, the code is actually compiled to bytecode, like Java and Perl do, and 
UCSD Pascal did before all of them.

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#390867

FromMuttley@DastardlyHQ.org
Date2025-03-07 09:56 +0000
Message-ID<vqefrp$3fmgo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390855
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 21:22:19 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled:
>On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:42:03 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:
>
>> Compilation and runtime are the same thing in Python arn't they?
>
>No, the code is actually compiled to bytecode, like Java and Perl do, and 
>UCSD Pascal did before all of them.

If that bytecode never sees a file (though apparently it can be written to
a pyc file), how is it any different to a normal interpreter simply creating
a parse tree or other internal representation of a program that it then runs
instead of running the text direct?

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#390880

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-07 21:17 +0000
Message-ID<vqfnq0$3nnbq$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390867
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 09:56:09 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 21:22:19 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled:
>>
>>On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:42:03 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:
>>
>>> Compilation and runtime are the same thing in Python arn't they?
>>
>> No, the code is actually compiled to bytecode, like Java and Perl do,
>> and UCSD Pascal did before all of them.
> 
> If that bytecode never sees a file (though apparently it can be written
> to a pyc file), how is it any different to a normal interpreter simply
> creating a parse tree ...

The fact that it’s not a tree.

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#390824

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2025-03-05 15:36 -0800
Message-ID<86frjruk1m.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#390802
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
>>
>>> I maintain my own scripting language.  Building it from source - on
>>> Windows - takes 70ms:
>>
>> How wonderful.  Does it offer Python-style features?
>
> No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:
>
> [long list of features]

My understanding is that it is missing the two most important
features of a programming language:

  (1) a user manual that defines and documents the language

  (2) an available implementation so that other people can
      use it to write programs

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#390827

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2025-03-06 00:37 +0000
Message-ID<vqaqnr$2l1ar$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390824
On 05/03/2025 23:36, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> I maintain my own scripting language.  Building it from source - on
>>>> Windows - takes 70ms:
>>>
>>> How wonderful.  Does it offer Python-style features?
>>
>> No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:
>>
>> [long list of features]
> 
> My understanding is that it is missing the two most important
> features of a programming language:
> 
>    (1) a user manual that defines and documents the language
> 
>    (2) an available implementation so that other people can
>        use it to write programs


The 1990s version, where it supported a substantial application, had a 
350-page manual. That one was used by other people to create add-on 
products.

But it's now a personal tool and I only have reference material for my 
own use.

It has been made available from time to time, here it is being made to 
run under Linux, but it starts off on Windows:

   c:\qx>mc -c -linux qc              # Transpile to C suitable for Linux
   M6 Compiling qc.m to qc.c

   c:\qx>wsl                          # Enter Linux and build the C
   root@DESKTOP-11:/mnt/c/qx# gcc qc.c -oqc -lm -ldl -fno-builtin

   root@DESKTOP-11:/mnt/c/qx# cat demo.q        # Example posted earlier

     print "Enter 2 values: "
     readln a, b
     fprintln "# + # is #", a, b, a+b

   root@DESKTOP-11:/mnt/c/qx# ./qc -nosys demo  # Run it
   Enter 2 values: 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 44
   340282366920938463463374607431768211456 + 44 is 
340282366920938463463374607431768211500
   root@DESKTOP-11:/mnt/c/qx#

(The -nosys is needed since it normally initialises a library that 
partly uses WinAPI calls, that don't exist on Linux.)

So the product exists, but I choose not to make it available; that would 
be a huge amount of work, and no one is really interested. Modern 
languages are going in a different direction.

Still, it is quite a substantial language, and it really does build in a 
tiny fraction of a second:

   c:\qx>tim mm qq                  # bigger version with ASM-accelerator
   Compiling qq.m to qq.exe
   Time: 0.068

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#390859

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2025-03-06 13:45 -0800
Message-ID<86bjudvnno.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#390827
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 05/03/2025 23:36, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I maintain my own scripting language.  Building it from source - on
>>>>> Windows - takes 70ms:
>>>>
>>>> How wonderful.  Does it offer Python-style features?
>>>
>>> No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:
>>>
>>> [long list of features]
>>
>> My understanding is that it is missing the two most important
>> features of a programming language:
>>
>>    (1) a user manual that defines and documents the language
>>
>>    (2) an available implementation so that other people can
>>        use it to write programs
>
> The 1990s version, where it supported a substantial application, had a
> 350-page manual.  That one was used by other people to create add-on
> products.
>
> But it's now a personal tool and I only have reference material for my
> own use.

If you post some links where I can download a current user
manual and a current compiler or interpreter, I will gladly
withdraw my comment.

Otherwise, I stand by my comment, and see no reason to
consider your alleged environment as anything other than
fiction-ware.

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#390861

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2025-03-06 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<vqdcko$36d74$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#390859
On 06/03/2025 21:45, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> On 05/03/2025 23:36, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I maintain my own scripting language.  Building it from source - on
>>>>>> Windows - takes 70ms:
>>>>>
>>>>> How wonderful.  Does it offer Python-style features?
>>>>
>>>> No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:
>>>>
>>>> [long list of features]
>>>
>>> My understanding is that it is missing the two most important
>>> features of a programming language:
>>>
>>>     (1) a user manual that defines and documents the language
>>>
>>>     (2) an available implementation so that other people can
>>>         use it to write programs
>>
>> The 1990s version, where it supported a substantial application, had a
>> 350-page manual.  That one was used by other people to create add-on
>> products.
>>
>> But it's now a personal tool and I only have reference material for my
>> own use.
> 
> If you post some links where I can download a current user
> manual and a current compiler or interpreter, I will gladly
> withdraw my comment.
> 
> Otherwise, I stand by my comment, and see no reason to
> consider your alleged environment as anything other than
> fiction-ware.

Well, I don't have a current user manual. That's rather pointless for a 
now personal language.

I could upload a Windows binary, or that qc.c file, but that would be 
futile. I don't need to prove to myself that my language exists! And I 
don't care if you think I've been programming in imaginary languages 
using imaginary implementations for the last 4 decades.

Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:

https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md

You can see I put some effort into them making look real!




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#391143

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2025-03-13 14:52 -0700
Message-ID<86o6y4sinc.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#390861
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:
>
> https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md

I'm not interested in the tools.  What I am asking to see is
the language.

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#391233

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2025-03-15 11:30 +0000
Message-ID<vr3oc6$3di63$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#391143
On 13/03/2025 21:52, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:
>>
>> https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md
> 
> I'm not interested in the tools.  What I am asking to see is
> the language.

I'm working on a document that summaries the features.

Since the language is close to C (mine is probably the nearest such 
language if you disregard the different syntax) many will be compared to 
the C equivalents.

I realise there is a very high probability that I will do a considerable 
amount of work, only for you to curtly dismiss it in one sentence.

There has to be a wider reason to do the work. So, it can serve as a 
summary for my own use (sometimes I forget how much stuff there is!).

But, together with example programs, there should be enough info for 
someone, already familiar with C, to play with it, given a suitable 
implementation.

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#391335

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2025-03-19 00:14 -0700
Message-ID<86v7s5pk3w.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#391233
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 13/03/2025 21:52, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md
>>
>> I'm not interested in the tools.  What I am asking to see is
>> the language.
>
> I'm working on a document that summaries the features.

I expect some people will find it interesting reading.  It is
almost certainly worth writing, assuming there is an interested
audience.

My interest is seeing a definition of the language, including
at least a complete syntax, and some sort of description of
the semantics for each construct, especially those that look
or behave differently than familiar constructs in mainstream
languages.  Being concise or terse is okay;  I don't need to
read a belabored explanation of, for example, how function
calls work, if they work the same way that function calls in
C work.  But it is important, in this example, to say that
function arguments are always evaluated left-to-right (if
indeed that is the case), because it may change the meaning
of a code fragment relative to common expectations.

In short, I would like to see a minimal document that lets
me say with confidence that I can write code in the language
and that I can read any legal program in the language and
know what it does.

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#391358

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2025-03-19 16:21 +0000
Message-ID<vreqv1$16clp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#391335
On 19/03/2025 07:14, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> On 13/03/2025 21:52, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in the tools.  What I am asking to see is
>>> the language.
>>
>> I'm working on a document that summaries the features.
> 
> I expect some people will find it interesting reading.  It is
> almost certainly worth writing, assuming there is an interested
> audience.

I don't know if you've seen the thread I made, where I posted a link to 
it. So any suggestions now are a little late.

The evidence is that no one is interested in this kind of language now.

I will use the write-up for my quick reference (to remind me of what's 
in there, which is quite a lot). But I will probably add appendices with 
some proper reference material.

> My interest is seeing a definition of the language, including
> at least a complete syntax, and some sort of description of
> the semantics for each construct, especially those that look
> or behave differently than familiar constructs in mainstream
> languages.

Most languages I've tinkered with, I haven't bothered with any 
references. I just need to know the basics (hello world; defining a 
function; printing a number).

I think most people don't until they have to use a language properly.

>  Being concise or terse is okay;  I don't need to
> read a belabored explanation of, for example, how function
> calls work, if they work the same way that function calls in
> C work.  But it is important, in this example, to say that
> function arguments are always evaluated left-to-right (if
> indeed that is the case),

A lot of this stuff is up to the implementation. Here, function 
arguments I believe are always evaluated right-to-left, which in my own 
implementation, is an assumption made in the front-end.

But it's really up to the backend. It could decide to reverse the order; 
there is enough info in the IL to do that, but it's messy. So it should 
really be a characeteristic that the front-end interrogates.

There's another issue with the stack, which normal grows downwards, but 
when the backend is told to interpret the IL, it grows upwards. So 
function arguments are physically ordered the other way around, but the 
right-most in the source code is still evaluated first.

(This had a bearing when the backend was used to interpret C, where my 
implementation of variadic function bodies assumed the stack went a 
certain way.)

Anyway, the ordering is not specified by the language, and should be be 
relied upon. It won't hurt to mention that though.

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#391467

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2025-03-21 00:20 -0700
Message-ID<867c4in93z.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#391358
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 19/03/2025 07:14, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 13/03/2025 21:52, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>
>>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Here however is a summary of these fictional tools:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/CompilerSuite.md
>>>>
>>>> I'm not interested in the tools.  What I am asking to see is
>>>> the language.
>>>
>>> I'm working on a document that summaries the features.
>>
>> I expect some people will find it interesting reading.  It is
>> almost certainly worth writing, assuming there is an interested
>> audience.
>
> I don't know if you've seen the thread I made, where I posted a
> link to it.  So any suggestions now are a little late.

I have.  I don't mean to make any suggestions about writing you
have been planning to do;  I am only stating what kind of
information I'm looking for.

> The evidence is that no one is interested in this kind of language
> now.

It's hard to understand how you can think that, given that I have
explicitly asked for some sort of language reference.  Ideally that
would be a complete and comprehensive document:  not too long, and
not aimed at beginners, but simply giving a concise but complete
description of the language.  In other words a single document that
I can just sit down and read, without having to read anything else,
after which I would know everything about what language is defined.

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#390863

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2025-03-07 01:51 +0000
Message-ID<vqdjep$29f8f$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#390859
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> On 05/03/2025 23:36, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 05/03/2025 02:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 01:20:07 +0000, bart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I maintain my own scripting language.  Building it from source - on
>>>>>> Windows - takes 70ms:
>>>>>
>>>>> How wonderful.  Does it offer Python-style features?
>>>>
>>>> No, it offers my-style features, that is, things I find useful:
>>>>
>>>> [long list of features]
>>>
>>> My understanding is that it is missing the two most important
>>> features of a programming language:
>>>
>>>    (1) a user manual that defines and documents the language
>>>
>>>    (2) an available implementation so that other people can
>>>        use it to write programs
>>
>> The 1990s version, where it supported a substantial application, had a
>> 350-page manual.  That one was used by other people to create add-on
>> products.
>>
>> But it's now a personal tool and I only have reference material for my
>> own use.
> 
> If you post some links where I can download a current user
> manual and a current compiler or interpreter, I will gladly
> withdraw my comment.
> 
> Otherwise, I stand by my comment, and see no reason to
> consider your alleged environment as anything other than
> fiction-ware.

Bart has a project on github.  In the past he provides part
of source code for his languages.  More precisely, he provided
generated C source code for C compiler, generated C source
code for implementation of his "dynamic" Q language, and
source for compiler of his M language (in Q).  So, those
things existed and run times were consitent with what he
claimed.  AFAICS parts of source we missing, and it seems
that he later removed the sources from github.

Also, at various times Bart provide links to download executables,
they were of no interest to me as they would not run natively
on Linux.  Also, my personal policy is to run only programs that
I compile myself from sources or that come as part of Linux
distribution.

For me most interesting aspect was that it was possible to
compile as fast as Bart claimed.  Given incomplete sources
and language features for me the actual languages were less
interesting.  But his languages are clearly real and there
was some documentation and sizable sample of source code.

I fetched the files in 2017, so what he has now is probably
somewhat different.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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