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How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

Started byLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
Last post2024-02-16 04:11 +0100
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  How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 00:53 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 02:10 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-10 07:31 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 01:13 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 09:27 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 10:16 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 10:36 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 13:17 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 14:08 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:41 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:03 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 10:46 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 14:43 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 14:42 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:54 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 16:35 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 17:22 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:34 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:02 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 19:46 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 21:48 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:09 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:23 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:37 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:46 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 17:38 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:49 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:04 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 10:28 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 18:52 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 20:20 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 13:11 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 23:11 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 22:14 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:22 -0500
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-27 12:40 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-27 13:21 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-29 21:29 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 02:37 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 03:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 15:02 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:46 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:16 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:17 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:53 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:49 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:36 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:58 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:45 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:49 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-11 00:11 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:50 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:15 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:45 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:17 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-11 01:08 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:18 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 17:34 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:42 +0000
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 18:00 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 05:30 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 21:37 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:16 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:12 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:34 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 11:38 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 14:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 13:57 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 16:04 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:20 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:13 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 17:43 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 03:47 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 20:12 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:44 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:38 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:43 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-15 15:55 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:27 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 10:06 +0100
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:55 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 18:05 +0100
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 18:00 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:40 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 20:27 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 09:07 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 09:35 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 11:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:12 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 14:15 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 12:32 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-13 13:56 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 15:10 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:20 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:35 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:27 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 19:54 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 21:08 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 21:15 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:45 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:22 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:43 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:58 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 22:56 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:30 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 02:48 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:35 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 11:11 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 10:43 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:32 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:23 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:27 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:37 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:46 +0000
                                                          Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 11:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:14 +0200
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 14:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 16:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 17:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 17:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 19:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 21:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:47 +0000
                                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 01:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 03:08 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 11:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 16:40 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 18:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 10:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:05 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:41 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 15:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:16 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 21:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 05:53 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 09:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:58 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:47 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:57 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:18 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:14 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 19:53 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:17 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:42 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:00 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 14:19 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:51 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:21 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:54 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:37 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:20 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 13:47 +0000
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                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 20:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:16 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:39 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:40 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:46 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 16:06 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 18:12 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:06 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 00:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 08:58 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 14:21 +0000
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                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 05:45 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 08:41 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:27 -0500
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 23:56 -0500
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:10 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 19:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:35 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:43 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:40 +0000
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                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 11:25 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:24 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-22 01:37 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-20 18:47 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:14 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 15:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:16 +0100
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 16:28 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:09 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:04 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 00:05 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:32 -0500
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 12:37 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:29 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:34 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:19 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 18:19 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 17:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 09:46 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 11:01 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 20:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:03 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 00:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 00:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 01:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 13:03 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-21 01:35 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:11 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:13 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-21 01:29 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:12 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:00 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:42 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:18 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 17:22 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 07:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-18 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-18 11:30 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:00 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 12:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:19 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:48 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:41 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:16 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:54 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:23 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:13 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:04 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:10 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 16:01 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 15:54 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:08 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 20:13 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:33 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:52 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-17 17:35 -0500
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:23 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:53 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-19 15:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 04:34 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:18 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-19 00:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 23:22 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:20 -0800
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 21:24 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-16 21:39 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 16:52 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-17 01:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-17 10:08 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-18 04:32 -0800
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 14:02 -0800
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:30 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 05:07 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:09 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:07 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 16:54 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 18:46 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 19:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:01 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:59 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:21 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:47 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 17:11 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-16 08:33 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-16 17:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 15:56 -0800
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:18 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 02:29 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:59 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:11 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:11 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:14 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:50 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:45 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 10:01 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:44 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:42 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:09 +0200
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:09 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:54 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 17:42 +0200
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:56 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 21:07 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 10:15 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:52 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 22:20 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:18 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:00 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 09:00 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:23 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:20 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:46 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:14 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:11 +0200
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:36 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:55 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:11 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 02:19 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-14 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 20:10 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:14 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:13 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:46 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:26 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:36 +0200
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 15:29 +0100
                                          [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 07:54 +0100
                                            Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:34 +0100
                                              Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:49 +0100
                                                Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:04 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 16:38 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 18:25 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:23 -0800
                                                      Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:41 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:29 -0800
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-02-16 18:11 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:47 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:15 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:48 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:16 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:03 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:49 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-16 15:35 +0200
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:54 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:52 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 13:15 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:49 +0100
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 14:51 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 15:33 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:09 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:48 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:47 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:57 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:14 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:14 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:34 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:21 +0100
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:59 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 12:02 +0200
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:54 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 08:03 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 20:31 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:53 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:47 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:42 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:40 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:04 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:11 -0800
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:31 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 16:10 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 16:45 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:35 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:07 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:45 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-18 12:37 -0500
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:30 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:46 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 06:12 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:38 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:57 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:28 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:02 +0200
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:36 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 11:01 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:31 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:43 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:10 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:06 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:09 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:14 +0100
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:13 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 07:54 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:48 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:58 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:31 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 19:17 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:07 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:50 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 15:58 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:52 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:23 +0200
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 17:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:41 +0200
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:31 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:34 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:40 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:20 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:38 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:14 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 15:43 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 16:57 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:29 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:22 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 17:33 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:49 +0200
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:01 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 20:19 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 19:02 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:25 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 21:54 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:17 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:07 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-09 19:47 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:31 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-10 08:05 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 17:06 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:39 +0100
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-11 17:21 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:12 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:15 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:13 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:52 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:09 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:11 +0100

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#382682

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-18 15:36 +0100
Message-ID<uqt4lg$16g6i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382664
On 18.02.2024 10:02, Michael S wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:28:33 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:45:49 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous ...  
>>
>> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting. The
>> dangerous one is called “reinterpret_cast”, while the others are much
>> safer to use.
> 
> Potential usefulness of the distinction almost fully nullified both
> by retention of C-style cast and by presence of similarly omnipotent
> function-style cast that C++ added on its own.

You don't have to use the old C syntax or C++ function-style for
old casting. It's on you to make use of the new distinct forms.
And in projects you can define coding standards to make sure that
the old less secure forms are not used. We certainly defined such
standards in out projects.

Janis

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#382669

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-18 11:01 +0000
Message-ID<uqso32$10l39$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382654
On 18/02/2024 02:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:45:49 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:
> 
>> Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous ...
> 
> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting. The dangerous one
> is called “reinterpret_cast”, while the others are much safer to use.

And my experience is the opposite. Reinterpeting a bit pattern as 
something else is a safe and proper use of a cast, whilst calling 
user-defined code without necessarily realising it is dangerous, and 
manipulating inheritance hierachies in strange ways is also confusing 
and dangerous.

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#382681

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-18 15:31 +0100
Message-ID<uqt4c6$16af9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382669
On 18.02.2024 12:01, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 02:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:45:49 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous ...
>>
>> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting.

It was certainly good to separate the different types of casts.

Though I generally tried to avoid casts (in C and in C++), and
that worked generally pretty well...

>> The dangerous one
>> is called “reinterpret_cast”, while the others are much safer to use.

...and I think I (almost?) never needed to use this type of cast.

The same with const_cast; I tried to write 'const'-coherent code
and did not need it. And also the remaining ones I rarely used.

> 
> And my experience is the opposite. Reinterpeting a bit pattern as
> something else is a safe and proper use of a cast, whilst calling
> user-defined code without necessarily realising it is dangerous, and
> manipulating inheritance hierachies in strange ways is also confusing
> and dangerous.

But you don't "manipulate" hierarchies with a dynamic_cast; it's
(from the four) the most (sort of) "complex" cast, in the sense
that it's evaluated on run-time, but you get definite results
from it to reliably act on the objects (or 0) that you can test
with that cast. (Disclaimer: as far as long-term memory serves.)

I also think that re-interpreting types on bit level is not only
the most C-like but by far also the most "dangerous" one, no
less as it is in C.

The separation of casts in C++ helps locating critical places.
(In C with the two parenthesis syntaxes that was a nightmare.)

Janis

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#382698

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-18 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<uqtfkq$1cbg5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382681
On 18/02/2024 14:31, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 18.02.2024 12:01, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 02:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:45:49 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous ...
>>>
>>> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting.
> 
> It was certainly good to separate the different types of casts.
> 
> Though I generally tried to avoid casts (in C and in C++), and
> that worked generally pretty well...
> 
>>> The dangerous one
>>> is called “reinterpret_cast”, while the others are much safer to use.
> 
> ...and I think I (almost?) never needed to use this type of cast.
> 
> The same with const_cast; I tried to write 'const'-coherent code
> and did not need it. And also the remaining ones I rarely used.
> 
>>
>> And my experience is the opposite. Reinterpeting a bit pattern as
>> something else is a safe and proper use of a cast, whilst calling
>> user-defined code without necessarily realising it is dangerous, and
>> manipulating inheritance hierachies in strange ways is also confusing
>> and dangerous.
> 
> But you don't "manipulate" hierarchies with a dynamic_cast;
> 
So "manipulate" is the wrong word. You can't create or modify a 
hierarchy with a cast. But you can obtain access to members in strange ways.

Reintepreting bits is safe. Obviously you can do it in a way that gets 
it wrong. But that is true of all computer code. It's clear what you are 
doing, and if the reinteretation isn't valid it will probably 
immediately crash and is highly unlikely to appear to work when it does 
not, and so it's not dangerous.
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#382709

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-18 22:10 +0000
Message-ID<uqtv95$1fckl$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382698
On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:43:53 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> Reintepreting bits is safe. Obviously you can do it in a way that gets
> it wrong. But that is true of all computer code.

Doing dangerous things is safe. Obviously you can do it in a way that gets 
it wrong. But that is true of all things, not just dangerous things.

(Spot the fallacy.)

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#382740

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 05:06 +0100
Message-ID<uquk53$1mqmr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382698
On 18.02.2024 18:43, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 14:31, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>
>> But you don't "manipulate" hierarchies with a dynamic_cast;
>>
> So "manipulate" is the wrong word. You can't create or modify a
> hierarchy with a cast. But you can obtain access to members in strange
> ways.

Okay. - Only I cannot guess in what way it appears strange to you.

Janis

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#382708

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-18 22:09 +0000
Message-ID<uqtv6i$1fckl$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382681
On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:31:33 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> On 18/02/2024 02:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting.
> 
> It was certainly good to separate the different types of casts.

Also, they had distinctive names that could be searched for in the code.

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#382741

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 05:14 +0100
Message-ID<uqukju$1mugr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382708
On 18.02.2024 23:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:31:33 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> 
>> On 18/02/2024 02:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> This is why C++ defined four different kinds of casting.
>>
>> It was certainly good to separate the different types of casts.
> 
> Also, they had distinctive names that could be searched for in the code.

Indeed. - That's why I wrote explicitly (you snipped that part)...

>> The separation of casts in C++ helps locating critical places.

...where "locating" meant what you also expressed with "searched".

>> (In C with the two parenthesis syntaxes that was a nightmare.)

BTW; a mistake of mine was to write inaccurately "C with the two
parenthesis syntaxes"; it was, I think, C++ that added the second
form that made it possible that a cast looks like a function call.
Frankly, I don't know whether C also added that.

Janis

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#382742

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-19 05:13 +0000
Message-ID<uquo1q$1ncfn$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382741
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 05:14:53 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> On 18.02.2024 23:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Also, they had distinctive names that could be searched for in the
>> code.
> 
> Indeed. - That's why I wrote explicitly (you snipped that part)...
> 
>>> The separation of casts in C++ helps locating critical places.
> 
> ...where "locating" meant what you also expressed with "searched".

You didn’t say how; I did.

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#382748

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 07:54 +0000
Message-ID<uqv1f8$1p1ug$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382741
On 19/02/2024 04:14, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> 
> BTW; a mistake of mine was to write inaccurately "C with the two
> parenthesis syntaxes"; it was, I think, C++ that added the second
> form that made it possible that a cast looks like a function call.
> Frankly, I don't know whether C also added that.
> 
Is a constructor a cast?

We have a class called "fixed" which represents reals in binary using a 
fixed binary point. So obviously we shall write a constructor for it so 
we can easily and conviently obtain values like "0.5", which shall take 
a double. And if we all it exlicitly it's

fixed x;

x = fixed(0.5);

and to all intents and purposes we've just cast a double to a fixed.

And in fact

x = (fixed) 0.5;

will call the same constructor.

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#382763

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 17:48 +0100
Message-ID<ur00pb$1vfno$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382748
On 19.02.2024 08:54, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 19/02/2024 04:14, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>
>> BTW; a mistake of mine was to write inaccurately "C with the two
>> parenthesis syntaxes"; it was, I think, C++ that added the second
>> form that made it possible that a cast looks like a function call.
>> Frankly, I don't know whether C also added that.
>>
> Is a constructor a cast?

That was something I pondered about when I programmed C++ in the 1990's.

But above, it was not (not primarily) meant when using own classes, but
with bascis types; as in  (int)x  vs.  int(x) .

My question was about newer C standards supporting the second form;
a quick test shows that C++ (of course) does, but my C version doesn't.
But I (still) don't know about the current C standards.

> 
> We have a class called "fixed" which represents reals in binary using a
> fixed binary point. So obviously we shall write a constructor for it so
> we can easily and conviently obtain values like "0.5", which shall take
> a double. And if we all it exlicitly it's
> 
> fixed x;
> 
> x = fixed(0.5);
> 
> and to all intents and purposes we've just cast a double to a fixed.
> 
> And in fact
> 
> x = (fixed) 0.5;
> 
> will call the same constructor.

Sure.

(But wouldn't  x = 0.5;  have also used your constructor, unless
explicitly prohibited by its definition?)

Janis

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#382765

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 08:58 -0800
Message-ID<87frxo5r1x.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#382763
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
> On 19.02.2024 08:54, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 19/02/2024 04:14, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW; a mistake of mine was to write inaccurately "C with the two
>>> parenthesis syntaxes"; it was, I think, C++ that added the second
>>> form that made it possible that a cast looks like a function call.
>>> Frankly, I don't know whether C also added that.
>>>
>> Is a constructor a cast?
>
> That was something I pondered about when I programmed C++ in the 1990's.
>
> But above, it was not (not primarily) meant when using own classes, but
> with bascis types; as in  (int)x  vs.  int(x) .
>
> My question was about newer C standards supporting the second form;
> a quick test shows that C++ (of course) does, but my C version doesn't.
> But I (still) don't know about the current C standards.

C does not support C++-style int(x) casts in any version up to and
including C23.  The only form of cast in C is (type-name) expression.
(Implicit conversions are not casts.)

[...]

-- 
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Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#382769

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 18:14 +0100
Message-ID<ur0291$1vqmn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382765
On 19.02.2024 17:58, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>  (int)x  vs.  int(x) 
>>
>> My question was about newer C standards supporting the second form;
>> a quick test shows that C++ (of course) does, but my C version doesn't.
>> But I (still) don't know about the current C standards.
> 
> C does not support C++-style int(x) casts in any version up to and
> including C23.  The only form of cast in C is (type-name) expression.

Thanks.

Janis

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#382787

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 01:31 +0000
Message-ID<ur0vee$252u4$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382748
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:54:15 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> Is a constructor a cast?

One thing should be clear: there should not be any confusion between safe 
and unsafe type conversions.

In Modula-2, for unsafe conversions you had CAST(«type», «expr»), which 
you had to import from SYSTEM before you could use it. So it was easy to 
scan through the code to find instances of its use.

In C++, you have const_cast and reinterpret_cast, which while they don’t 
need to be imported from anywhere, are still sufficiently distinctive 
names.

The C syntax is very difficult to search for. And of course it mixes up 
both safe (e.g. int⟷float) and unsafe conversions in the same syntax, so 
checking for the latter becomes doubly hard.

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#382807

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-20 09:26 +0100
Message-ID<ur1no7$2d9lc$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382787
On 20/02/2024 02:31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:54:15 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> 
>> Is a constructor a cast?
> 
> One thing should be clear: there should not be any confusion between safe
> and unsafe type conversions.
> 
> In Modula-2, for unsafe conversions you had CAST(«type», «expr»), which
> you had to import from SYSTEM before you could use it. So it was easy to
> scan through the code to find instances of its use.
> 
> In C++, you have const_cast and reinterpret_cast, which while they don’t
> need to be imported from anywhere, are still sufficiently distinctive
> names.
> 
> The C syntax is very difficult to search for. And of course it mixes up
> both safe (e.g. int⟷float) and unsafe conversions in the same syntax, so
> checking for the latter becomes doubly hard.

I am not sure what distinction you are making between "safe" and 
"unsafe" casts, and I suspect that different people would draw such a 
line in different places.  "safe" or "unsafe" is in the usage, not just 
the cast expression itself.  The same applies to implicit conversions - 
writing "int x = 1e30;" is far from "safe".

A cast in C is just an explicit conversion.  Sometimes it is better to 
be explicit rather than implicit.  (One of the reasons for C++'s 
different cast operators is to be explicit about what kind of cast you 
are using at the time.)

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#382794

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
Message-ID<864je3yjzx.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#382645
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> In this particular case, I'd just use 0.  If for some reason I
>>>>> needed to make it explicitly of type uint64_t (say, for an
>>>>> argument to a variadic function), I'd write `(uint64_t)0`.
>>>>
>>>> Ick.  At least write '(uint64_t){ 0 }' rather than casting.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Casts are dangerous.  Besides being dangerous, in many cases
>> casts are accidents waiting to happen.  Writing casts at the drop
>> of a hat is a bad habit.  A good programming practice is to avoid
>> using a cast whenever feasible.  Using a compound literal isn't a
>> lot better than just a raw cast, but it does at least provide a
>> little extra safety because it allows only "safe" conversions.
>> Seeing a cast in open code should always raise a red flag,
>> especially when, as in this case, it's easy to find a safer
>> alternative.
>
> I disagree in this case.  Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous,
> especially those involving pointers, and I'd say that all casts
> should be looked on with some suspicion.  But anyone who knows C
> can recognize that casting a constant 0 to an integer type is not
> in any way dangerous.

It's easier on readers if casts are used only in situations where
they are really necessary.  Of course any competent C programmer
can realize with only a small effort that a cast of 0 to an integer
type is safe, but it's better not to have to make the effort at
all.  That way whenever a cast is encountered we immediately know
that we are in a potentially dangerous situation, without having
to expend any effort deciding if the cast is "trivial" or not.

Easy writing makes hard reading, and vice versa.

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#382799

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-19 19:17 -0800
Message-ID<8734tn6cz9.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#382794
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> In this particular case, I'd just use 0.  If for some reason I
>>>>>> needed to make it explicitly of type uint64_t (say, for an
>>>>>> argument to a variadic function), I'd write `(uint64_t)0`.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ick.  At least write '(uint64_t){ 0 }' rather than casting.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Casts are dangerous.  Besides being dangerous, in many cases
>>> casts are accidents waiting to happen.  Writing casts at the drop
>>> of a hat is a bad habit.  A good programming practice is to avoid
>>> using a cast whenever feasible.  Using a compound literal isn't a
>>> lot better than just a raw cast, but it does at least provide a
>>> little extra safety because it allows only "safe" conversions.
>>> Seeing a cast in open code should always raise a red flag,
>>> especially when, as in this case, it's easy to find a safer
>>> alternative.
>>
>> I disagree in this case.  Yes, casts certainly can be dangerous,
>> especially those involving pointers, and I'd say that all casts
>> should be looked on with some suspicion.  But anyone who knows C
>> can recognize that casting a constant 0 to an integer type is not
>> in any way dangerous.
>
> It's easier on readers if casts are used only in situations where
> they are really necessary.  Of course any competent C programmer
> can realize with only a small effort that a cast of 0 to an integer
> type is safe, but it's better not to have to make the effort at
> all.  That way whenever a cast is encountered we immediately know
> that we are in a potentially dangerous situation, without having
> to expend any effort deciding if the cast is "trivial" or not.
>
> Easy writing makes hard reading, and vice versa.

You suggested `(uint64_t){ 0 }` rather than `(uint64_t)0`.

I'm aware that compound literals for scalar types are valid, but I find
that to be a fairly obscure feature.  In my experience (which may or not
be typical), most compound literals are for struct types, and most of
the rest are for array types.  (The fact that compound literals weren't
supported until C99 is largely irrelevant these days.)

I personally find `(uint64_t)0` easy to read, and `(uint64_t){ 0 }`
significantly less so -- not so obsure that I'd have to look it up in
the standard, but enough to be slightly jarring and require a brief
pause.  It also, at least abstractly, creates an unnecessary object
where only a constant value is needed (though gcc at least seems to be
clever enough to avoid generating any extra code).

You assume that reading a scalar compound literal requires no effort.
That may well be true for you, but I doubt that it's true for most C
programmers.

-- 
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Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#382506

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-02-14 22:07 -0800
Message-ID<86bk8i1cs8.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#382475
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:59:38 -0800
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Though personally, I'd probably make the assignment the operand of a
>>> larger expression.  I understand that
>>>     if (foo)
>>> is a common idiom where foo is of any scalar type, but I personally
>>> prefer to write one of
>>>     if (foo != 0)
>>>     if (foo != '\0')
>>>     if (foo != 0.0)
>>>     if (foo != NULL)
>>> because I find it clearer (unless foo is of type bool or is otherwise
>>> appropriate to use directly as a condition).
>>>
>>> Thus if x and y are ints, I'd probably write:
>>>     if ((x = y) != 0)
>>> (Assuming I'm not required to follow MISRA rules.)
>>>
>>> YMMV.
>>
>> Agreed with two small exception:
>> (1) I never write '\0' myself always preferring plain 0.
>
> I'm in Keith's camp here when working with a char type, I'll
> use '\0' rather than plain zero.
>
> I tend to suffix constants as well if they're not being
> used as 'int', perhaps a bit too picky?
>
> uint64_t v;
> ...
> if (v == 0ul) ...

You say what you do but don't say why.  Can you explain your
rationale or motivation?

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#382474

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-02-14 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<1j5zN.88068$GX69.62365@fx46.iad>
In reply to#382451
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On 13.02.2024 17:34, David Brown wrote:

>
>Though personally, I'd probably make the assignment the operand of a
>larger expression.  I understand that
>    if (foo)
>is a common idiom where foo is of any scalar type, but I personally
>prefer to write one of
>    if (foo != 0)
>    if (foo != '\0')
>    if (foo != 0.0)
>    if (foo != NULL)
>because I find it clearer (unless foo is of type bool or is otherwise
>appropriate to use directly as a condition).
>

Yes, that's my style as well.     Make it obvious to the next person(s) who
maintain or extend the code.

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#382290

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-10 15:58 -0800
Message-ID<87bk8ndg74.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#382266
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 09:09:41 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> But it's far too late to fix that in any language called "C".
>>
>> I had a look at the MISRA specs, and they say “assignment operators shall 
>> not be used in expressions that yield a boolean value”.
>
> Oddly worded.  They can't mean what they say.

I'm fairly sure that what they intended to say was that any expression
used as a condition shall not include an assignment operator.  It reads
like they couldn't think of the word "condition" and worked around it by
redefining "boolean" (and never telling anyone what it really means).

And apparently a later edition strengthened and simplified the rule to
ban any use of the result of an assignment.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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