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this girl calls c ugly

Started byfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
First post2026-05-27 19:53 +0200
Last post2026-05-30 11:18 +0200
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  this girl calls c ugly fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 19:53 +0200
    Re: this girl calls c ugly fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 20:15 +0200
      Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 18:49 -0500
        Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 04:53 +0000
          Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 02:35 -0500
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:32 +0000
              Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 20:07 -0500
          Re: this girl calls c ugly Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 11:48 +0200
        Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0200
          Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 04:57 -0500
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:35 +0000
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 09:52 +0200
              Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 05:20 -0500
                Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-29 13:22 +0200
                  Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 15:16 -0500
                    Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-30 13:52 +0200
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-30 14:40 +0200
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-30 16:36 +0200
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 15:48 -0500
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 11:14 +0200
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 13:25 -0500
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 22:14 +0200
                Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 15:22 +0200
                Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-30 03:49 +0000
          Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 12:47 -0700
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 09:56 +0200
              Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 11:00 -0700
        Re: this girl calls c ugly fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 17:12 +0200
          Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 14:07 -0500
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:54 +0000
              Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 10:02 +0200
                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 12:19 +0100
                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 14:46 +0200
                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 14:22 +0100
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 17:15 +0200
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-29 15:59 +0000
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 17:12 +0100
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 18:48 +0200
                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 19:09 +0100
                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 22:00 +0200
                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 22:14 +0100
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 12:09 -0700
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 17:05 +0100
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 18:34 +0200
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:29 +0200
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 18:53 +0100
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 12:28 -0700
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 20:49 +0100
                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 22:03 +0200
                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 13:56 -0700
                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 22:54 +0100
                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 15:52 -0700
                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-29 20:31 -0400
                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-30 02:03 +0100
                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 19:02 -0700
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-30 12:12 +0100
                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-30 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-30 13:56 +0100
                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 16:43 -0700
                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-31 03:37 +0200
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 19:53 -0700
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 12:16 +0200
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 11:47 +0200
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 12:55 +0200
                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-05-31 09:12 +0100
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 11:49 +0200
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-31 11:10 +0100
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 13:18 +0200
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-31 10:24 -0400
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 17:35 +0200
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-31 12:46 -0400
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 22:24 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-31 18:26 -0400
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 08:28 +0200
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 15:54 -0700
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 08:39 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 02:33 -0700
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 11:48 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-06-02 06:37 -0400
                                                        Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-02 05:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Constants and undefined behavior cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 16:28 +0000
                                                            Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-04 03:37 -0700
                                                              Re: Constants and undefined behavior cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Constants and undefined behavior cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 23:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 18:04 -0700
                                                                      Re: Constants and undefined behavior cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 23:50 -0700
                                                                          Re: Constants and undefined behavior cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-08 02:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-06 15:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 16:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-06 16:43 -0700
                                                                            Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 17:41 -0700
                                                                    Re: Constants and undefined behavior Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-05 10:41 +0200
                                                                      Re: Constants and undefined behavior Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 10:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-06 16:15 -0700
                                                                  Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-06 18:06 -0700
                                                                    Re: Constants and undefined behavior Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-07 22:34 -0700
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 05:35 -0700
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-02 06:29 -0700
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 16:10 +0200
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:29 -0700
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-05 06:41 -0700
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 11:24 -0700
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-06 03:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 23:56 -0700
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-07 13:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 15:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-08 02:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-08 00:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-08 12:41 +0000
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 13:59 -0700
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 13:05 +0000
                                                Parentheses (was: this girl calls c ugly) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-02 14:38 +0100
                                                  Re: Parentheses (was: this girl calls c ugly) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 15:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Parentheses antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-03 22:30 +0000
                                                    Re: Parentheses Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 16:24 -0700
                                                      Re: Parentheses antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-04 02:03 +0000
                                                    Re: Parentheses Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 01:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Parentheses antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-04 01:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Parentheses Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 11:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Parentheses cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 10:51 +0000
                                                        Re: Parentheses Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 12:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Parentheses Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 14:57 +0200
                                                          Re: Parentheses cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 14:31 +0000
                                                [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:54 +0200
                                                  Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-02 15:19 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 15:19 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 17:39 +0200
                                                      Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 21:33 +0000
                                                          Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 14:43 -0700
                                                    Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-02 17:08 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 19:19 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-04 00:11 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:39 -0700
                                                      Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-03 13:14 +0000
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 15:10 +0000
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 15:31 +0000
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-31 10:15 -0400
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 16:29 +0200
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 03:45 -0700
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 04:02 -0700
                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 09:04 -0700
                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-31 18:11 +0100
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-31 19:34 +0000
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 19:10 -0700
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-01 11:12 +0100
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 12:36 +0200
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 14:26 -0700
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-04 02:34 -0700
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 12:40 +0100
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-04 14:35 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 14:18 +0100
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 15:47 +0200
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 15:57 +0200
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-04 16:27 +0200
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 16:46 +0100
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 20:15 +0200
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-04 20:54 +0200
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 20:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 14:06 -0700
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 22:47 +0100
                                                                      Famous (hopefully last) words [on this topic] Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-05 00:27 +0200
                                                                        Re: Famous (hopefully last) words [on this topic] Bad Post <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 01:20 +0100
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 16:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-05 00:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 17:26 -0700
                                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-05 12:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 14:27 -0700
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 02:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-05 00:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-05 11:04 +0100
                                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-05 05:34 -0700
                                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-06 03:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-06 03:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-06 07:39 +0200
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 15:25 -0700
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-05 09:29 +0200
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-05 12:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-05 15:42 +0200
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-05 16:50 +0100
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 11:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-05 20:29 +0100
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 16:18 +0000
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 17:23 +0100
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 16:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 19:57 +0100
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 20:34 +0000
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-04 22:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 21:58 +0000
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-06-04 23:25 +0100
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 02:49 +0000
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 19:47 +0200
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-04 21:04 +0200
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-06-04 19:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-05 10:34 +0200
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 12:11 -0700
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-06-04 16:33 -0400
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 14:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 00:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 18:36 -0700
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 02:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-05 05:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 11:01 -0700
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-05 11:53 -0700
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-06-04 18:45 +0000
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 20:19 +0000
                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 20:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-04 20:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-04 20:49 +0000
                                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 00:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-05 00:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-05 03:02 +0000
                                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-05 14:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-06 03:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-06 15:13 +0000
                                                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-06 17:53 +0000
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 11:59 -0700
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-04 15:21 +0200
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-04 06:38 -0700
                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 09:52 +0200
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 02:42 -0700
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 12:50 +0200
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-01 11:47 +0100
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 12:55 +0200
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 14:39 -0700
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 15:11 -0700
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 08:41 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 02:07 -0700
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 11:38 +0200
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 05:01 -0700
                                                              It is not futile to change the subject line (Was: this girl calls c ugly) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-02 12:39 +0000
                                                                Re: It is not futile to change the subject line (Was: this girl calls c ugly) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-02 12:42 +0000
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 11:46 +0200
                                                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-02 11:09 +0100
                                                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 05:25 -0700
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-02 14:20 +0100
                                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:12 -0700
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-02 04:16 -0700
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-01 15:23 -0700
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 16:06 -0700
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-01 23:24 +0100
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-02 11:35 +0200
                                                    Operator precedence in other (non-C, but "C-like") languages (Was: something about a girl) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-02 12:36 +0000
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-01 11:04 +0000
                                                  Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-01 14:04 +0200
                                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-01 18:48 +0000
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-01 21:04 +0100
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 09:17 +0200
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 09:09 +0200
                                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 12:07 +0000
                                                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-02 14:37 +0200
                                                          Microcontroller software stacks (was Re: this girl calls c ugly) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 15:06 +0000
                                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-04 03:58 -0700
                                                Re: this girl calls c ugly dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2026-06-06 19:02 -0400
                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-31 19:11 +0000
                                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 16:08 -0700
                                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 16:32 -0700
                                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 17:12 -0700
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-30 14:07 +0200
                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 18:10 +0200
                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 19:18 +0100
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 22:17 +0200
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-29 21:47 +0100
                    Re: this girl calls c ugly James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-29 15:57 -0400
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0200
                  Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 23:18 +0000
                    Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-30 01:26 +0100
                      Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-30 04:25 +0000
                        Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-30 12:01 +0100
                          Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-31 00:29 +0000
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-31 10:59 +0100
                              Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-01 00:33 +0000
                                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-01 02:26 +0100
                            Re: this girl calls c ugly David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-31 13:24 +0200
            Re: this girl calls c ugly Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 08:09 +0200
              Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 04:15 -0500
                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 14:58 +0200
                  Re: this girl calls c ugly BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 01:04 -0500
              Re: this girl calls c ugly Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 23:20 +0000
                Re: this girl calls c ugly Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 11:18 +0200

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#399675 — Re: Parentheses

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-06-04 11:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Parentheses
Message-ID<10vrkha$a9jd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399671
On 04/06/2026 02:58, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 03/06/2026 23:30, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Personally I don't have much use for CSTs for a normal compiler, but
>>>> they might be useful for source-to-source translators, or programs that
>>>> do source refactoring, where you want to preserve extras such as
>>>> parentheses even if they're not strictly needed.
>>>>
>>>> (Injecting the right parentheses for examples like `(a + b) * c' which
>>>> would have an AST like '(* (+ a b) c)' is surpringly tricky. Easier to
>>>> just follow the original source!
>>>
>>> You probably mean some more complicated example.  This one is
>>> easy:
>>>
>>> (10) -> parse("(a + b) * c")
>>>
>>>      (10)  (* (+ a b) c)
>>>
>>> (11) -> unparse(parse("(a + b) * c"))
>>>
>>>      (11)  "(a+b)*c"
>>>
>>> (12) -> parse("a + b * c")
>>>
>>>      (12)  (+ a (* b c))
>>>
>>> (13) -> unparse(parse("a + b * c"))
>>>
>>>      (13)  "a+b*c"
>>>
>>>
>>> You just need to track priorities of subexpressions to produce the
>>> above: '+' has lower priority than '*' so subexpression needs
>>> parentheses, '*' has higher priority, so there is no need for
>>> parentheses.
>>
>> I seem to remember one problem was with minus, for example original expr is:
>>
>>    a - (b - c)
>>
>> The AST is (- a (- b c)), but a simplistic approach would generate, from
>> either that or (- (- a b) c), the same output:
>>
>>     a - b - c
>>
>> No parentheses because the the two "-" have the same precedence. The
>> example might have been 'a + (b - c)'; same thing.
>>
>> It just seemed more trouble than it was worth.
> 
> Well,
> 
> (7) -> parse("a - (b - c)")
> 
>     (7)  (- a (- b c))
> 
> (8) -> unparse(parse("a - (b - c)"))
> 
>     (8)  "a-(b-c)"
> 
> (9) -> parse("a - b - c")
> 
>     (9)  (- (- a b) c)
> 
> (10) -> unparse(parse("a - b - c"))
> 
>     (10)  "a-b-c"
> 
> (11) -> parse("a + (b + c)")
> 
>     (11)  (+ a (+ b c))
> 
> (12) -> unparse(parse("a + (b + c)"))
> 
>     (12)  "a+(b+c)"
> 
> (13) -> parse("a + b + c")
> 
>     (13)  (+ (+ a b) c)
> 
> (14) -> unparse(parse("a + b + c"))
> 
>     (14)  "a+b+c"
> 
> Note: the approach builds string from the parse tree so that
> parsing gives back original tree.  That is why (12) has
> parentheses: without them parsing gives different tree.
> 
> Implementation is simple, but there are little subtleties, for
> example left and right arguments do not have symmetric role
> even for commutative operators.
> 
> The code is not in C, but rough translation of part of 'unparse'
> handling arithmetic to C could look like:

 > ...

OK, I'll have a play with it, although you could have just posted 
pseudo-code.

Note that I just said it was 'surprisingly tricky'. It doesn't only 
depend on precedence levels.

And it is still more elaborate than simply putting parentheses around 
every binary term.

(My point had been that a CST rather then AST would make this nearly as 
simple.)

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#399676 — Re: Parentheses

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-04 10:51 +0000
SubjectRe: Parentheses
Message-ID<10vrlbp$64e$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399670
In article <10vqftg$2d72$1@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 03/06/2026 23:30, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally I don't have much use for CSTs for a normal compiler, but
>>> they might be useful for source-to-source translators, or programs that
>>> do source refactoring, where you want to preserve extras such as
>>> parentheses even if they're not strictly needed.
>>>
>>> (Injecting the right parentheses for examples like `(a + b) * c' which
>>> would have an AST like '(* (+ a b) c)' is surpringly tricky. Easier to
>>> just follow the original source!
>> 
>> You probably mean some more complicated example.  This one is
>> easy:
>> 
>> (10) -> parse("(a + b) * c")
>> 
>>     (10)  (* (+ a b) c)
>> 
>> (11) -> unparse(parse("(a + b) * c"))
>> 
>>     (11)  "(a+b)*c"
>> 
>> (12) -> parse("a + b * c")
>> 
>>     (12)  (+ a (* b c))
>> 
>> (13) -> unparse(parse("a + b * c"))
>> 
>>     (13)  "a+b*c"
>> 
>> 
>> You just need to track priorities of subexpressions to produce the
>> above: '+' has lower priority than '*' so subexpression needs
>> parentheses, '*' has higher priority, so there is no need for
>> parentheses.
>
>I seem to remember one problem was with minus, for example original expr is:
>
>   a - (b - c)
>
>The AST is (- a (- b c)), but a simplistic approach would generate, from 
>either that or (- (- a b) c), the same output:
>
>    a - b - c
>
>No parentheses because the the two "-" have the same precedence. The 
>example might have been 'a + (b - c)'; same thing.
>
>It just seemed more trouble than it was worth.

What?  I don't understand what you're saying at all.

Subtraction is not associative, and the two expresions,
`a - b - c` and `a - (b - c)`, are not at all the same thing,
either in C or in regular arithmetic.  The former is
`(a - b) - c`, and the subtraction distributes over the
parenthesized subexpression, so the latter is equivalent to
`a - b + c = (a - b) + c`.

term% cat wha.c
#include <stdio.h>
int
main(void)
{
	int a = 5, b = 4, c = 3;
        printf("a - b - c = %d\n", a - b - c);
        printf("(a - b) - c = %d\n", (a - b) - c);
	printf("a - (b - c) = %d\n", a - (b - c));
	return 0;
}
term% make wha
cc -O2 -pipe    -o wha wha.c
term% ./wha
a - b - c = -2
(a - b) - c = -2
a - (b - c) = 4
term% 

	- Dan C.

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#399679 — Re: Parentheses

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-06-04 12:47 +0100
SubjectRe: Parentheses
Message-ID<10vrojq$bjmf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399676
On 04/06/2026 11:51, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <10vqftg$2d72$1@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 03/06/2026 23:30, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Personally I don't have much use for CSTs for a normal compiler, but
>>>> they might be useful for source-to-source translators, or programs that
>>>> do source refactoring, where you want to preserve extras such as
>>>> parentheses even if they're not strictly needed.
>>>>
>>>> (Injecting the right parentheses for examples like `(a + b) * c' which
>>>> would have an AST like '(* (+ a b) c)' is surpringly tricky. Easier to
>>>> just follow the original source!
>>>
>>> You probably mean some more complicated example.  This one is
>>> easy:
>>>
>>> (10) -> parse("(a + b) * c")
>>>
>>>      (10)  (* (+ a b) c)
>>>
>>> (11) -> unparse(parse("(a + b) * c"))
>>>
>>>      (11)  "(a+b)*c"
>>>
>>> (12) -> parse("a + b * c")
>>>
>>>      (12)  (+ a (* b c))
>>>
>>> (13) -> unparse(parse("a + b * c"))
>>>
>>>      (13)  "a+b*c"
>>>
>>>
>>> You just need to track priorities of subexpressions to produce the
>>> above: '+' has lower priority than '*' so subexpression needs
>>> parentheses, '*' has higher priority, so there is no need for
>>> parentheses.
>>
>> I seem to remember one problem was with minus, for example original expr is:
>>
>>    a - (b - c)
>>
>> The AST is (- a (- b c)), but a simplistic approach would generate, from
>> either that or (- (- a b) c), the same output:
>>
>>     a - b - c
>>
>> No parentheses because the the two "-" have the same precedence. The
>> example might have been 'a + (b - c)'; same thing.
>>
>> It just seemed more trouble than it was worth.
> 
> What?  I don't understand what you're saying at all.

This is about turning AST (which has stripped parentheses) back into the 
original source text.

I was responding to 'You just need to track priorities of 
subexpressions', with an example where the two operators had the same 
priorities.

It would extra work to generate the parentheses needed to make the 
output correct. For my application, I decided not to be bother.

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#399681 — Re: Parentheses

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-06-04 14:57 +0200
SubjectRe: Parentheses
Message-ID<10vrsnt$2bg8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399679
On 2026-06-04 13:47, Bart wrote:
>> [...]
> 
> This is about turning AST (which has stripped parentheses) back into the 
> original source text.

This is, in the first place, an unnecessary and stupid task that
generally cannot be fulfilled; since many homologous expressions
map to the same unambiguous internal representations. (And those
internal representations need no parentheses, they are regularly
chosen to be inherently unambiguous.)

Janis

> [...]

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#399689 — Re: Parentheses

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-04 14:31 +0000
SubjectRe: Parentheses
Message-ID<10vs282$ue$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399679
In article <10vrojq$bjmf$2@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 04/06/2026 11:51, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <10vqftg$2d72$1@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/06/2026 23:30, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I don't have much use for CSTs for a normal compiler, but
>>>>> they might be useful for source-to-source translators, or programs that
>>>>> do source refactoring, where you want to preserve extras such as
>>>>> parentheses even if they're not strictly needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Injecting the right parentheses for examples like `(a + b) * c' which
>>>>> would have an AST like '(* (+ a b) c)' is surpringly tricky. Easier to
>>>>> just follow the original source!
>>>>
>>>> You probably mean some more complicated example.  This one is
>>>> easy:
>>>>
>>>> (10) -> parse("(a + b) * c")
>>>>
>>>>      (10)  (* (+ a b) c)
>>>>
>>>> (11) -> unparse(parse("(a + b) * c"))
>>>>
>>>>      (11)  "(a+b)*c"
>>>>
>>>> (12) -> parse("a + b * c")
>>>>
>>>>      (12)  (+ a (* b c))
>>>>
>>>> (13) -> unparse(parse("a + b * c"))
>>>>
>>>>      (13)  "a+b*c"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You just need to track priorities of subexpressions to produce the
>>>> above: '+' has lower priority than '*' so subexpression needs
>>>> parentheses, '*' has higher priority, so there is no need for
>>>> parentheses.
>>>
>>> I seem to remember one problem was with minus, for example original expr is:
>>>
>>>    a - (b - c)
>>>
>>> The AST is (- a (- b c)), but a simplistic approach would generate, from
>>> either that or (- (- a b) c), the same output:
>>>
>>>     a - b - c
>>>
>>> No parentheses because the the two "-" have the same precedence. The
>>> example might have been 'a + (b - c)'; same thing.
>>>
>>> It just seemed more trouble than it was worth.
>> 
>> What?  I don't understand what you're saying at all.
>
>This is about turning AST (which has stripped parentheses) back into the 
>original source text.
>
>I was responding to 'You just need to track priorities of 
>subexpressions', with an example where the two operators had the same 
>priorities.
>
>It would extra work to generate the parentheses needed to make the 
>output correct. For my application, I decided not to be bother.

I remain mystified as to your point.  The two ASTs presented
as S-expressions above are different: `(- a (- b c))` is simply
not the same as `(- (- a b) c)`.  If a program that turns these
"back into the original source text" produces `a - b - c` for
both, then it is simply broken.  `a - b - c` matches the the AST
`(- (- a b) c)`, but manifestly does not match `(- a (- b c))`.

	- Dan C.

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#399627 — [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-06-02 15:54 +0200
Subject[OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399623
On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
> [...]
> 
>                   ┌──────┐
>                   │ expr │
>                   └──────┘
>                   ╱   │  ╲
>                  ╱    │   ╲
>            ┌──────┐   .    ┌─────┐
>            │ expr │  (+)   │term │
>            └──────┘   '    └─────┘
>               │               │
>               │               │
>            ┌─────┐         ┌─────┐
>            │term │         │ident│
>            └─────┘         └─────┘
>            ╱  │  ╲            │
>           ╱   │   ╲           │
>      ┌─────┐  .  ┌─────┐     .─.
>      │ident│ (*) │ident│    (`c`)
>      └─────┘  '  └─────┘     `─'
>         │           │
>         │           │
>        .─.         .─.
>       (`a`)       (`b`)
>        `─'         `─'
> 
> [...]

I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?

Janis

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#399629 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-06-02 15:19 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vmoph$2utb2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399627
On 02/06/2026 14:54, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>                   ┌──────┐
>>                   │ expr │
>>                   └──────┘
>>                   ╱   │  ╲
>>                  ╱    │   ╲
>>            ┌──────┐   .    ┌─────┐
>>            │ expr │  (+)   │term │
>>            └──────┘   '    └─────┘
>>               │               │
>>               │               │
>>            ┌─────┐         ┌─────┐
>>            │term │         │ident│
>>            └─────┘         └─────┘
>>            ╱  │  ╲            │
>>           ╱   │   ╲           │
>>      ┌─────┐  .  ┌─────┐     .─.
>>      │ident│ (*) │ident│    (`c`)
>>      └─────┘  '  └─────┘     `─'
>>         │           │
>>         │           │
>>        .─.         .─.
>>       (`a`)       (`b`)
>>        `─'         `─'
>>
>> [...]
> 
> I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
> What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?

The rectangles are just using box-drawing characters. Most times I use 
them, they have small spaces between the lines, but here on Thunderbird 
there are no spaces.

Conversely, if I post the above to a Github .md file, then I see spaces.

The rest is just clever ASCII art.

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#399633 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-02 15:19 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vmsas$cev$3@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399627
In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>> [...]
>> 
>>                   ┌──────┐
>>                   │ expr │
>>                   └──────┘
>>                   ╱   │  ╲
>>                  ╱    │   ╲
>>            ┌──────┐   .    ┌─────┐
>>            │ expr │  (+)   │term │
>>            └──────┘   '    └─────┘
>>               │               │
>>               │               │
>>            ┌─────┐         ┌─────┐
>>            │term │         │ident│
>>            └─────┘         └─────┘
>>            ╱  │  ╲            │
>>           ╱   │   ╲           │
>>      ┌─────┐  .  ┌─────┐     .─.
>>      │ident│ (*) │ident│    (`c`)
>>      └─────┘  '  └─────┘     `─'
>>         │           │
>>         │           │
>>        .─.         .─.
>>       (`a`)       (`b`)
>>        `─'         `─'
>> 
>> [...]
>
>I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?

I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
not artistically gifted.  :-)

	- Dan C.

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#399635 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-06-02 17:39 +0200
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vmtgc$3uus8$14@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399633
On 2026-06-02 17:19, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>> What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
> 
> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
> not artistically gifted.  :-)

What a pity that it's not available for Linux.

Janis

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#399637 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vn0pv$ghg$2@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399635
In article <10vmtgc$3uus8$14@dont-email.me>,
Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2026-06-02 17:19, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
>> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>>> What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
>> 
>> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>> not artistically gifted.  :-)
>
>What a pity that it's not available for Linux.

Not related to C, but there are alternatives; `MonoSketch` looks
similar.  https://github.com/tuanchauict/MonoSketch

AsciiFlow and ASCII Draw are also alternatives.

	- Dan C.

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#399645 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-06-02 21:33 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<B_HTR.9651$9P1.6865@fx36.iad>
In reply to#399637
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>In article <10vmtgc$3uus8$14@dont-email.me>,
>Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On 2026-06-02 17:19, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
>>> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>>>> What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
>>> 
>>> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>>> not artistically gifted.  :-)
>>
>>What a pity that it's not available for Linux.
>
>Not related to C, but there are alternatives; `MonoSketch` looks
>similar.  https://github.com/tuanchauict/MonoSketch
>
>AsciiFlow and ASCII Draw are also alternatives.
>

Conversation with google AI:

 Query:  troff macros for flowcharts

The AI responded with an example:

.PS
box "Start"
arrow
box "Read Data"
arrow
diamond "Valid?"
arrow "Yes" right
box "Process"
arrow up
move from last box .s to 0.5 below last diamond
arrow from diamond to last position "No"
arrow
box "Stop"
.PE

  Query:  pic command complains aboue "Valid?"

Answer:
   You are completely right. Standard pic will choke on diamond
   "Valid?" because diamond does not natively accept text string
   arguments the same way a box or circle does. It evaluates
   "Valid?" as an unexpected modifier.  New example:

.PS
box "Start"
arrow
box "Read Data"
arrow
diamond            # Clear the text string out of this line
"Valid?" at last diamond
arrow "Yes" right
box "Process"
arrow up
move from last box .s to 0.5 below last diamond
arrow from last diamond to last position "No"
arrow
box "Stop"
.PE

 Query: PIC still complains about line 7

Answer:

  The issue is that standard pic parser grammar is very particular
  about relative positioning syntax.


After several more subsequent failed attempts to create a valid PIC,
I dug out my AT&T Documenter's Workbench User's Guide, and
of course, there is no 'diamond' primitive.

 Query: pci does not have "diamond". Try again.

Answer:

   You are completely correct, and I apologize for Hallucinating
   that keyword. pic does not have a diamond primitive. The
   primitive shapes are strictly limited to box, circle, ellipse,
   line, arrow, arc, and spline. 


So much for artifical intelligence built on scraping the web.

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#399647 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-02 14:43 -0700
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vnipk$37tjr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399645
On 6/2/2026 2:33 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>> In article <10vmtgc$3uus8$14@dont-email.me>,
>> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-02 17:19, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>>>>> What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
>>>>
>>>> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>>>> not artistically gifted.  :-)
>>>
>>> What a pity that it's not available for Linux.
>>
>> Not related to C, but there are alternatives; `MonoSketch` looks
>> similar.  https://github.com/tuanchauict/MonoSketch
>>
>> AsciiFlow and ASCII Draw are also alternatives.
>>
> 
> Conversation with google AI:
> 
>   Query:  troff macros for flowcharts
> 
> The AI responded with an example:
> 
> .PS
> box "Start"
> arrow
> box "Read Data"
> arrow
> diamond "Valid?"
> arrow "Yes" right
> box "Process"
> arrow up
> move from last box .s to 0.5 below last diamond
> arrow from diamond to last position "No"
> arrow
> box "Stop"
> .PE
> 
>    Query:  pic command complains aboue "Valid?"
> 
> Answer:
>     You are completely right. Standard pic will choke on diamond
>     "Valid?" because diamond does not natively accept text string
>     arguments the same way a box or circle does. It evaluates
>     "Valid?" as an unexpected modifier.  New example:
> 
> .PS
> box "Start"
> arrow
> box "Read Data"
> arrow
> diamond            # Clear the text string out of this line
> "Valid?" at last diamond
> arrow "Yes" right
> box "Process"
> arrow up
> move from last box .s to 0.5 below last diamond
> arrow from last diamond to last position "No"
> arrow
> box "Stop"
> .PE
> 
>   Query: PIC still complains about line 7
> 
> Answer:
> 
>    The issue is that standard pic parser grammar is very particular
>    about relative positioning syntax.
> 
> 
> After several more subsequent failed attempts to create a valid PIC,
> I dug out my AT&T Documenter's Workbench User's Guide, and
> of course, there is no 'diamond' primitive.
> 
>   Query: pci does not have "diamond". Try again.
> 
> Answer:
> 
>     You are completely correct, and I apologize for Hallucinating
>     that keyword. pic does not have a diamond primitive. The
>     primitive shapes are strictly limited to box, circle, ellipse,
>     line, arrow, arc, and spline.
> 
> 
> So much for artifical intelligence built on scraping the web.

Scary aspect... Somebody trusting the code it dumps out of its hind 
end... Runs it. Say its in a server loop... Oh my!

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#399639 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Date2026-06-02 17:08 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<ASCII-20260602180622@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
In reply to#399633
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote or quoted:
>I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>not artistically gifted.  :-)

  I have been searching for an ASCII-to-ASCII program for a long
  time and never found anything impressive. I want to write 
  a /description/ of my diagram in ASCII and then want to get 
  my diagram as ASCII. Dot, ditaa, nothing worked.

  The least bad solution I found so far is called /PlantUML/.

  example.puml

@startuml
skinparam componentStyle rectangle
interface "SAX interface" as SAX_interface
interface "internal structure" as internal_structure
interface "internal HTML" as internal_HTML
interface "external HTML" as external_HTML
interface "external LaTeX" as external_LaTeX
Text --> [Parser]
[Parser] --> SAX_interface
SAX_interface --> [struct creator]
[struct creator] --> internal_structure
internal_structure --> [internal HTML transformer]
[internal HTML transformer] --> internal_HTML
internal_HTML --> [external HTML transformer]
[external HTML transformer] --> external_HTML
internal_structure --> [external LaTeX transformer]
[external LaTeX transformer] --> external_LaTeX
@enduml

  example.cmd

set "GRAPHVIZ_DOT=C:\example\dot.exe"
"C:\example\java.exe" -jar "C:\example\plantuml.jar" -txt "example.puml"

  output (not edited)

                         ,----.                          
                         |Text|                          
                         |----|                          
                         `----'                          
                            |                            
                            |                            
                        ,------.                         
                        |Parser|                         
                        |------|                         
                        `------'                         
                            |                            
                     ,-------------.                     
                     |SAX interface|                     
                     |-------------|                     
                     `-------------'                     
                            |                            
                                                         
                    ,--------------.                     
                    |struct creator|                     
                    |--------------|                     
                    `--------------'                     
                            |                            
                  ,------------------.                   
                  |internal structure|                   
                  |------------------|                   
                  `------------------'                   
                                                         
,-------------------------.  ,--------------------------.
|internal HTML transformer|  |external LaTeX transformer|
|-------------------------|  |--------------------------|
`-------------------------'  `--------------------------'
             |                             |             
             |                             |             
      ,-------------.              ,--------------.      
      |internal HTML|              |external LaTeX|      
      |-------------|              |--------------|      
      `-------------'              `--------------'      
             |                                           
,-------------------------.                              
|external HTML transformer|                              
|-------------------------|                              
`-------------------------'                              
             |                                           
                                                         
      ,-------------.                                    
      |external HTML|                                    
      |-------------|                                    
      `-------------'                                    

  This is nothing impressive, but I am not aware of any other
  program that can do this! You can then tweak it manually
  if you've got the time:

                         .------.
                        (Markdown)
                         '------'
                             |
                             V
                         .------.
                         |Parser|
                         '------'
                             |
                             V
                       .-----------.
                      (SAX interface)
                       '-----------'
                             |
                             V
                     .--------------.
                     |struct creator|
                     '--------------'
                             |
                             V
                    .----------------.
                   (internal structure)
                    '----------------'
              .--------------'--------------.
              V                             V
 .-------------------------.  .--------------------------.
 |internal HTML transformer|  |external LaTeX transformer|
 '-------------------------'  '--------------------------'
              |                             |
              V                             V
        .-----------.                .------------.
       (internal HTML)              (external LaTeX)
        '-----------'                '------------'
              |
              V
 .-------------------------.
 |external HTML transformer|
 '-------------------------'
              |
              V
        .-----------.
       (external HTML)
        '-----------'

  But at least PlantUML did some kind of minimal routing for you.

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#399640 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-02 19:19 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vnab9$jqo$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399639
[This is _really_ off-topic now.  Follow-up: comp.text]

In article <ASCII-20260602180622@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote or quoted:
>>I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>>not artistically gifted.  :-)
>
>  I have been searching for an ASCII-to-ASCII program for a long
>  time and never found anything impressive. I want to write 
>  a /description/ of my diagram in ASCII and then want to get 
>  my diagram as ASCII. Dot, ditaa, nothing worked.
>
>  The least bad solution I found so far is called /PlantUML/.

Personally, I rather like `pic` and `nroff`.  Your mileage may
vary, however, depending on the complexity of the diagram.

	- Dan C.

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#399669 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-04 00:11 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vqfrh$259o$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399639
On 2 Jun 2026 17:08:57 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

> The least bad solution I found so far is called /PlantUML/.

I, too, came across this while looking at diagram-creation tools
recently.

> "C:\example\java.exe" -jar "C:\example\plantuml.jar" -txt "example.puml"

The Debian package <https://packages.debian.org/trixie/plantuml>
provides a wrapper to make invocation more convenient:

    ldo@theon:~> file $(type -p plantuml)
    /usr/bin/plantuml: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable

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#399654 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-02 15:39 -0700
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vnm2m$382un$3@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#399633
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>>                   ┌──────â”
>>>                   │ expr │
>>>                   └──────┘
>>>                   ╱   │  ╲
>>>                  ╱    │   ╲
[...]
>>
>>I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>>What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
>
> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
> not artistically gifted.  :-)

For whatever reason, I'm seeing your drawings as gibberish
in articles you post, but as nicely formatted drawings when
they're quoted in replies by others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#399661 — Re: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-03 13:14 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Fancy graphics (was Re: this girl calls c ugly)
Message-ID<10vp9cd$frf$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399654
In article <10vnm2m$382un$3@kst.eternal-september.org>,
Keith Thompson  <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>> In article <10vmna7$3uus8$13@dont-email.me>,
>> Janis Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 2026-06-02 15:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> 
>>>>                   ┌──────â”
>>>>                   │ expr │
>>>>                   └──────┘
>>>>                   ╱   │  ╲
>>>>                  ╱    │   ╲
>[...]
>>>
>>>I suppose you have some tool to create those fancy graphics?
>>>What are you using for that? - Or is that all hand-crafted?
>>
>> I used, "monodraw" on the Mac.  I can't do that by hand; I am
>> not artistically gifted.  :-)
>
>For whatever reason, I'm seeing your drawings as gibberish
>in articles you post, but as nicely formatted drawings when
>they're quoted in replies by others.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake

Thanks.  I customize things to add the appropriate headers.

	- Dan C.

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#399631

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-06-02 15:10 +0000
Message-ID<mnCTR.17470$_BG8.10863@fx24.iad>
In reply to#399623
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>In article <10vh1eo$1ei50$2@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

>
>Both expressions above correspond to an AST like:
>
>                ┌───────┐
>                │BinOp +│
>                └───────┘
>                ╱      ╲
>               ╱        ╲
>          ┌───────┐   ┌───────┐
>          │BinOp *│   │Sym `c`│
>          └───────┘   └───────┘
>          ╱       ╲
>         ╱         ╲
>    ┌───────┐    ┌───────┐
>    │Sym `a`│    │Sym `b`│
>    └───────┘    └───────┘

Ah, the dangers of assuming everyone uses UTF-8.

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#399634

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-06-02 15:31 +0000
Message-ID<10vmt11$cev$4@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#399631
In article <mnCTR.17470$_BG8.10863@fx24.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>>In article <10vh1eo$1ei50$2@dont-email.me>, Bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Both expressions above correspond to an AST like:
>>
>>                ┌───────┐
>>                │BinOp +│
>>                └───────┘
>>                ╱      ╲
>>               ╱        ╲
>>          ┌───────┐   ┌───────┐
>>          │BinOp *│   │Sym `c`│
>>          └───────┘   └───────┘
>>          ╱       ╲
>>         ╱         ╲
>>    ┌───────┐    ┌───────┐
>>    │Sym `a`│    │Sym `b`│
>>    └───────┘    └───────┘
>
>Ah, the dangers of assuming everyone uses UTF-8.

Yeah, my bad.  Here:

                +-------+
                |BinOp +|
                +-------+
                /      \
               /        \
          +-------+   +-------+
          |BinOp *|   |Sym `c`|
          +-------+   +-------+
          /       \
         /         \
    +-------+    +-------+
    |Sym `a`|    |Sym `b`|
    +-------+    +-------+

(The original looks bad in my newsreader, too.)

	- Dan C.

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#399555

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-05-31 10:15 -0400
Message-ID<10vhfp5$1iv7k$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#399548
On 2026-05-31 05:49, David Brown wrote:
...
> Of course.  Parentheses do not affect the generated code unless they 
> affect the semantics of the expression.  (Some people think parentheses 
> affect the order of evaluation, but that is not the case for most 
> compilers.)

I assume that last sentence is meant to apply only to parentheses which
don't change the semantics? Otherwise it seems manifestly false.

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