Re: High level programming in C

From	Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: High level programming in C
Date	2017-11-22 08:57 -0800
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
[...]
>>For example, strlen(NULL) has undefined behavior.  The standard
>>*could* have specified the behavior of strlen(NULL) somehow (perhaps
>>returning (size_t)-1 and setting errno, for example), but there's
>>no portable way to check for invalid pointer values other than NULL.
>
> BSD explictly mapped a read-only page of zeros to enable strlen(NULL)
> to return zero.  It simply hid problems which often later bit the
> programmer in the posterior aspect.

I recently mentioned an article I vaguely remember about code
breaking because a new version of a system started trapping on
null pointer dereferences (some code assumed that a null pointer
could be treated as a pointer to an empty string).  I had thought
it was the transition from 68k to SPARC.  Now that you mention BSD,
I think it was probably the transition from SunOS 4 (based on BSD)
to SunOS 5 / Solaris (based on ATT SVR4 Unix).

> We spent many hours in the 90's (X/Open) discussing whether
> the string functions should return an error for NULL (and/or unmapped
> virtual addresses) finally realizing it would only add cost with little
> benefit to the programmer.

There's also the question of how you "return an error".

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
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