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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: should c be a subset of c++? |
| Date | 2015-09-06 13:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d53fviF9nfaU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (18 earlier) <871teciq1o.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <57e3fd44-5ddc-4120-a516-9378ed727862@googlegroups.com> <87egibhe03.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <d3675375-2cf3-49b4-9c65-e81fa63101d3@googlegroups.com> <mshl7g$v7p$1@dont-email.me> |
"David Brown" wrote:
> On 06/09/15 16:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Real numbers are things like 3.1415...
>>>
>>> You are correct, but, I suspect, by accident. pi is a real number
>>
>> Pi is not a real number. Pi is a concept that cannot be expressed in
>> this universe apart from symbolism. It is, therefore, a conceptual
>> number that can be translated into a real series of digits, none of
>> which are pi, but all of which (if done properly) will relate to a
>> value that tends toward pi. But the two are forever distinct and
>> separate in this universe.
>
> You apparently don't understand that "real number" has a very precise
> mathematical meaning. It does not mean "a number that you can hold, or
> count", or "a number that you can measure". I am not going to give you
> a proper definition, because you don't known enough mathematics to
> understand it (if you did, then you would not have written the paragraph
> above). But roughly speaking, real numbers are positions along a
> continuous line. In particular, the continuous line (and therefore the
> set of real numbers) includes all integers (-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, etc.), all
> rationals (1/3, 17/32, etc.), and all irrational numbers "in between"
> these (including sqrt(2), e, pi, and most other numbers).
>
> pi is very much a real number.
In this modern age, the best way to solve this is to ask google <is pi a
real number>.
The first result, in a special little box, is "Yes". That answer is precise
enough for ordinary conversations with ordinary people, *or mathematicians*,
on this planet. Rick, I think you do not realize that you have stumbled on
a phrase used in a specialized vocabulary.
> And even in your incorrect usage, pi would be a "real" number just as
> much as any other number - certainly as real as any rational number or
> negative number, and arguably as real as any whole number (non-negative
> integer). I can measure out a length of pi centimetres just as easily
> and just as accurately as I can measure out a length of 3 centimetres -
> it is just as "real".
>
>>
>>> and
>>> another way write pi is 3.1415... The ... means that that there is no
>>> finite decimal representation but, recognising the first few digits, the
>>> reader is supposed to know the number being written. It is correct
>>> therefore to write pi = 3.1415... but, for example, pi = 3.1415 is not
>>> correct.
>>
>> That is an expression of pi, an application of the perfect algorithm
>> of pi applied to the real world, our universe. And that's what I've
>> been saying all along.
>>
>>> Anyway, the point is that I don't think you (or Malcolm) mean real
>>> numbers when you talk about real numbers.
>>
>> I know you think that, Ben. But you are wrong, and all I can do is
>> *sigh* and continue praying.
>
> No, Ben is correct - you are mistaken about what "real numbers" mean.
> If you want to insist on using Humpty Dumpty language ("When I use a
> word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less"),
> then there is little point in discussing with anyone else.
>
> Note that it is okay not to know everything - I don't know your
> educational background, but I strongly suspect that Ben and at least
> some others in this group, including me, know a great deal more
> mathematics than /you/ do. But you should learn to understand and
> accept that - if knowledgeable people tell you you are wrong, and using
> incorrect terms, then you should listen.
>
>>
>>>> They are not their conceptual
>>>> representations of those real-world values, such as pi. In order to
>>>> use pi in the real world, as applied to something physical, it has to
>>>> be translated from the concept of pi in a formula, which has an
>>>> unending
>>>> sequence of decimals, and approximated to a numerical value that is
>>>> terminating at whatever resolution is required or possible.
>>>
>>> And yet there are calculations involving pi, ones that produce numerical
>>> results that an engineer can use, that don't need pi to be approximated.
>>> If you'd agree with that simple fact, I would not feel I have to keep
>>> pointing it out. You can borrow Malcolm's phrase and say "ah, but only
>>> when pi cancels out" if that makes you feel better about it.
>>
>> I do agree with that fact. I have agreed with it. It happens only
>> when those values for pi can be cancelled out in some way with other
>> values, for whenever pi remains in a formula or calculation it can
>> never be expressed wholly, but only in approximation here in the real
>> world as by the application's needs (the application of that formula
>> for whatever's being done/computed).
>
> /All/ numbers, when turned into practical, physically realisable values
> (other than for counting), become approximations. This does not mean
> 3.5 is not a number, or that one cannot do calculations with it - the
> same applies to pi.
>
>>
>>> Alternatively you could re-phrase your remarks to make it clear you are
>>> talking about some, most, or nearly all calculations involving pi. Then
>>> it would be un-contentious.
<snip>
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Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 16:49 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-07 10:54 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-07 02:26 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-07 12:26 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-06 23:37 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-07 00:57 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 16:57 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 09:26 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 20:41 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 16:55 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-07 01:21 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 11:15 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-06 20:03 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 20:49 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-08 07:55 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 16:27 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-04 15:14 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-05 00:58 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 01:11 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-05 19:12 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:39 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 17:47 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:55 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 07:14 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 03:54 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 12:01 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:07 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 13:13 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:28 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 09:05 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:18 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-08-26 13:31 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-26 18:52 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-26 14:04 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 21:37 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:16 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:47 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:46 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 19:58 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 11:31 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 10:40 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 03:34 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 12:54 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-27 10:46 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 07:56 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:08 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 16:36 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:49 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 10:24 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-27 12:00 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 11:55 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 14:09 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 15:14 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:17 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 16:24 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-27 18:58 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 20:35 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:07 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 21:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:31 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 08:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:30 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 14:49 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-27 22:34 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:31 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:16 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 10:08 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:03 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 23:18 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:34 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:03 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 12:02 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:02 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 07:52 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 16:14 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:26 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-28 18:06 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 18:33 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:38 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:08 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:15 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 18:20 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:13 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 12:38 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 04:58 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:36 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:11 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 10:57 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:21 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:34 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 17:16 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:03 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 18:38 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-27 23:29 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 01:15 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:25 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-27 16:39 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 00:56 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 00:45 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:05 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 10:46 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 11:38 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 05:23 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:51 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:20 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 09:55 -0500
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 15:10 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 09:03 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 13:38 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 06:11 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 13:59 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 07:31 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 20:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-28 15:55 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 14:57 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 17:45 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 22:36 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-08-28 23:38 +0000
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-29 09:29 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-28 17:52 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-08-28 19:27 +0100
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-28 21:30 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:14 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 18:51 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 14:48 +1200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 20:15 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Ayan <selfjam@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 23:59 -0400
Re: should c be a subset of c++? Lőrinczy Zsigmond <zsiga@nospam.for.me> - 2015-08-27 12:03 +0200
Re: should c be a subset of c++? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 03:33 -0700
Re: should c be a subset of c++? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-27 13:04 +0200
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