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Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”

From Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Word For Today: “Uglification”
Date 2024-03-11 18:15 -0700
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> From /usr/include/«arch»/bits/select.h on my Debian system:
>
>     #define __FD_ZERO(s) \
>       do {									      \
>         unsigned int __i;							      \
>         fd_set *__arr = (s);						      \
>         for (__i = 0; __i < sizeof (fd_set) / sizeof (__fd_mask); ++__i)	      \
>           __FDS_BITS (__arr)[__i] = 0;					      \
>       } while (0)
>
> Note how this macro brings the entire expression for “s” into the
> scope containing those temporary “__i” and “__arr” variables. You just
> better hope they won’t clash.
>
> I think there is a clause in the C spec that says names beginning with
> underscores (“uglified” names, I think they’re called) are reserved
> for library implementors or something. But what happens if one library
> implementation depends on another? What keeps the choices of names
> from clashing in that situation? Just luck, I guess.

N1570 7.1.3:

    All identifiers that begin with an underscore and either an
    uppercase letter or another underscore are always reserved for any
    use.

    All identifiers that begin with an underscore are always reserved
    for use as identifiers with file scope in both the ordinary and tag
    name spaces.

I've never heard them call "uglified", though I suppose it's somewhat apt.

If the standard library includes code from two or more different
implementers, all implementers have a very strong interest in avoiding
any clashes.  I don't see a real problem here.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 00:14 +0000
  Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 18:15 -0700
    Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 01:34 +0000
      Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 19:56 -0700
  Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-12 03:30 +0000
    Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 10:23 -0700
      Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 14:31 -0700
        Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-14 23:59 +0000
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-15 00:01 +0000
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 17:11 -0700
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-15 00:33 +0000
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-15 09:15 +0100
        Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 17:15 -0700
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-15 00:34 +0000
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 19:19 -0700
              Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-15 03:17 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 20:44 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-15 09:22 +0100
        Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 19:49 -0700
  Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-12 01:33 -0400
    Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 06:14 +0000
      Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 06:21 +0000
      Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-12 07:44 +0000
        Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-12 08:03 +0000
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-12 11:10 +0100
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-03-12 17:46 +0300
              Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-12 14:53 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-03-12 18:09 +0300
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-12 15:42 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-12 22:29 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 16:00 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-13 11:45 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-13 14:12 +0200
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 08:15 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-13 18:47 +0100
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 11:56 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-13 22:07 +0100
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-13 15:48 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 09:03 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-13 16:44 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2024-03-13 17:01 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-13 02:53 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-12 18:42 +0000
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-12 22:07 +0000
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 23:13 +0000
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 16:29 -0700
              Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-13 09:01 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 08:06 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-13 21:51 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-13 22:16 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 15:26 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-13 22:33 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-13 22:50 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-13 16:06 -0700
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-13 23:32 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-14 00:40 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-13 23:15 +0000
                Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 23:09 -0700
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-13 00:23 +0000
      Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-12 11:51 -0400
        Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 21:31 +0000
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 15:21 -0700
          Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-13 03:36 -0400
            Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-13 21:52 +0000
              Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-13 22:10 +0000
              Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-13 20:47 -0400
  Re: Word For Today: “Uglification” Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-12 06:15 +0000

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