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Re: widening multiplication

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: widening multiplication
Date 2020-08-23 07:42 -0700
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Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:

> On 8/22/20 1:04 PM, David Brown wrote:
>
>> On 22/08/2020 17:59, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, 22 August 2020 at 15:17:01 UTC+1, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would say your 'most' is a bit inaccurate or misleading, unless you
>>>> really do mean that most languages do worst.
>>>>
>>>> The ones that do 'better' than C in this would be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Languages with dynamic typing, where integer math automatically
>>>> converts to higher/arbitrary precision types.  These get around the
>>>> problem by defining it away, there is no type like int32_t
>>>
>>> So that's pretty much every high level language, scripting language,
>>> mathematical language.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>    Comparison_of_programming_languages_(basic_instructions)#Integers>
>>
>> Of course that is not a complete list of languages by any means.  But it
>> gives a rough idea.  And while there is clearly a correlation between
>> higher level languages having support for "big numbers", it is not
>> remotely as clear-cut as you seem to think.  Many of the "high-level"
>> and "scripting" languages there have big numbers as a standard library
>> type in addition to fixed-size integer types that are used more generally.
>
> Looking at that list, only Python 3.  Erlang, Mathmatica, and Wolfram
> meet that requirement.  [...]

You left out Smalltalk, which had automatic conversion to
arbitrary precision ten years or so before the others.  (The
predecessor to Mathematica, SMP, may have been only a few
years after Smalltalk.)

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widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-17 22:11 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2020-08-17 16:30 -0400
    Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:27 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2020-08-17 13:33 -0700
    Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:24 +0200
    Re: widening multiplication Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2020-08-21 14:47 -0700
  Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-17 21:52 +0100
    Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:22 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 14:10 -0700
    Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-17 22:33 +0100
      Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 15:13 -0700
      Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 11:33 +0200
    Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:20 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-17 21:38 +0000
    Re: widening multiplication jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-08-18 09:19 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 11:31 +0200
    Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 05:00 -0700
      Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 15:10 +0200
    Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-18 12:31 +0000
      Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 15:15 +0200
        Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 06:53 -0700
          Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 16:14 +0200
            Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 07:24 -0700
              Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 22:41 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 14:24 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-18 22:54 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 15:18 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 15:54 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 15:38 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 07:03 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 09:24 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 02:13 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 10:43 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 12:50 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 07:30 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 07:44 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 17:35 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 10:13 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 14:30 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:07 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 22:13 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:49 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 11:31 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 03:47 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 13:21 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-20 08:20 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 09:51 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 02:51 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-21 11:44 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 12:17 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 13:36 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 13:15 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 11:04 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-21 08:30 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 13:32 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 07:43 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-21 16:13 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 20:15 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-21 20:14 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 16:37 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 15:38 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 01:02 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 04:57 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 16:11 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 08:46 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 18:33 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 13:44 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:48 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 21:45 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 05:20 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 10:16 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 08:59 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:04 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 13:59 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 23:01 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-08-23 07:42 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 22:12 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 13:31 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 04:53 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 14:22 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 06:47 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 16:25 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 07:42 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-24 09:10 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 02:06 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-23 13:10 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 16:16 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 22:02 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 18:14 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-23 14:27 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-21 05:58 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 19:15 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 16:48 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-19 23:39 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:51 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 15:56 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 16:04 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-19 18:04 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-08-20 00:13 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 10:06 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Stef <stef33d@yahooI-N-V-A-L-I-D.com.invalid> - 2020-08-20 11:26 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-20 13:25 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 07:41 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 15:08 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 10:29 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 17:41 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 13:34 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 20:21 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 15:16 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 09:32 +0200
        Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-18 11:11 -0400
          Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-18 22:45 +0200
  Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 20:17 +0200
    Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-19 15:20 -0400
      Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 20:59 +0000
        Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-19 17:28 -0400
          Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-19 22:43 +0100
    Re: widening multiplication Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2020-08-19 21:38 +0200
      Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-19 21:47 +0200
      Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 12:24 +0200
        Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-20 08:14 -0400
          Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 14:20 +0200
            Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 10:39 -0700
    Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-19 15:55 -0400
      Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:30 +0200
        Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-22 05:09 -0700
          Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 17:15 +0200
            Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:06 +0200
              Re: widening multiplication Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 19:06 +0100
                Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 20:28 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 01:36 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 18:15 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 11:16 +0200
                Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 21:05 -0700
              Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 12:45 -0700
            Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-22 11:47 -0700
        Re: widening multiplication Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-22 10:21 -0400
          Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-22 16:18 +0100
            Re: widening multiplication David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-08-22 19:16 +0200
        Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-23 04:38 +0000
          Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-23 08:22 -0400
            Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-24 03:00 +0000
              Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-23 23:54 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-24 06:19 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-08-24 09:45 -0400
                Re: widening multiplication Kaz Kylheku <793-849-0957@kylheku.com> - 2020-08-24 14:47 +0000
                Re: widening multiplication "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 12:14 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 08:40 -0700
                Re: widening multiplication Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-26 18:06 +0000
          Re: widening multiplication Daniel Hyde <Daniel.Hyde71@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 17:55 +0200
            Re: widening multiplication Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-08-23 17:38 +0100
    Re: widening multiplication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 13:15 -0700
  Re: widening multiplication rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2020-08-23 08:03 -0700

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