Re: Good hash for pointers

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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On 25/05/2024 18:40, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Am 25.05.2024 um 11:12 schrieb Tim Rentsch:
>>>
>>>> Your hash function is expensive to compute, moreso even
>>>> than the "FNV" function shown earlier.  In a case like
>>>> this one where the compares are cheap, it's better to
>>>> have a dumb-but-fast hash function that might need a
>>>> few more looks to find an open slot, because the cost
>>>> of looking is so cheap compared to computing the hash
>>>> function.
>>>
>>> A (size_t)pointer * LARGE_PRIME can be sufficient,
>>> ignoring the overflow.
>>
>> Plenty fast but the output quality is poor.  I tested
>> this scheme against four other hash functions, and in
>> four out of five workloads it was always dead last, by
>> a noticeable margin.
>
> The lower bits of a pointer are often all zeroes.  And mutlipying
> by any integer will not set them.  And that is catastrophic for a
> hash.

It can be but it doesn't have to be.  It depends on how the hash
value is used to determine a place or places to look in the
table.

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