Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling

From	Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling
Date	2023-09-28 22:45 -0700
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-28, Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben Bacarisse to Anton Shepelev:
>>>>
>>>>> To nit-pick a bit, in C, there is no need to declare
>>>>> anything if you want to ignore an "output parameter".
>>>>> Taking strtod as a (poor) example:
>>>>>
>>>>>   double d = strtod(str, &(char *){0});
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but this is one of the strangest and craziest
>>>> innovations of post-modern C -- the ability to pass a
>>>> pointer (as it were) to a literal, rather than to a proper
>>>> variable.
>>>
>>> Two things:
>>>
>>> Firstly, it's not a true literal because it is a mutable object in
>>> automatic storage.
>>
>> It most definitely is a literal, both in the original meaning
>> of the word, and also as used in the ISO C standard.
>
> C doesn't not define what the word "literal" means.  It has no
> syntactic category called "literal".  It has distinct constructs
> "string literal" and "compound literal".

I didn't say the C standard defines the term literal, only that
the standard uses the word literal in the same sense as the
original meaning.  (To be clear, the uses I'm talking about are
as part of compound terms "string literal" and "compound literal",
but the sense of common meaning is the same in both.)

It's true that string literals and compound literals are
different constructs, but they are obviously related, and they
are referred to together in a few places in the C standard.

> You've asserted in the past that there's a logical reason behind
> using the term "literal" for these two constructs and not for
> others, such as integer constants.  I'm not particularly interested
> in debating that point again, but I see no support in the standard
> for that assertion.  (The standard also uses the word "literal" as
> an adjective;  see for example N1570 6.1p1 where it refers to
> terminals in the grammar.)

I don't have my previous posting in front of me, but what I think
I said is that string literals and compound literals are both
consistent with the original meaning (in the programming world)
of the word literal, and that other constructs such as integer
constants do not share that aspect of semantic sameness.  Also
IIRC I stated my view that the semantic distinction is more
valuable than a possible syntactic distinction, and so that is
worth preserving, i.e., that string literals and compound
literals deserve to be associated with the term "literal", but
constants should not.

> My point is that any discussion of what is or is not a "true
> literal" is unlikely to yield any meaningful result.

I'm not saying anything about whether something is a "true
literal", whatever that might be.  What I am saying is that
a compound literal is a literal in the same sense that the
term was originally used, and that sense is consistent with
both string literals and compound literals (but not with
constants such as integer constants or floating constants).

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Libraries using longjmp for error handling (was: Re: More on NNTP testing) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-27 22:52 +0000
  Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling (was: Re: More on NNTP testing) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2023-09-28 08:19 +0800
    Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 02:18 +0100
      Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-28 22:30 +0000
        Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-28 22:33 +0000
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-29 01:41 +0300
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-28 23:45 +0000
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-28 17:35 -0700
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-29 16:49 +0200
      Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-28 18:24 -0700
        Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-29 03:19 +0100
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 07:46 -0700
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-29 21:02 +0100
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 21:56 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-10-01 00:06 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-30 20:35 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-10-01 14:44 +0300
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-10-01 15:45 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-01 09:28 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-10-01 20:49 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-02 02:31 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-10-02 23:55 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-03 05:01 -0700
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-29 23:58 +0300
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-01 02:52 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-10-01 14:33 +0300
  Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 01:48 +0100
  Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling (was: Re: More on NNTP testing) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 05:11 +0000
    Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling (was: Re: More on NNTP testing) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 06:26 +0000
  Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling (was: Re: More on NNTP testing) Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-28 16:02 +0300
    Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 14:44 +0100
      Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-28 18:31 +0300
        Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 16:43 +0000
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-28 17:00 +0000
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 17:16 +0000
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 19:38 +0100
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-28 16:05 -0700
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-29 00:26 +0000
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-28 23:20 -0700
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-28 18:31 -0700
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-29 03:24 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-29 03:12 +0000
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-28 22:45 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-29 12:02 +0000
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 08:10 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-29 17:03 +0100
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 10:15 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-09-29 17:17 +0000
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-29 18:53 +0000
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-29 18:11 +0300
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 10:20 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-29 11:30 -0700
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-29 18:31 +0000
        Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 19:27 +0100
          Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 20:24 +0000
            Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-28 22:23 +0100
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-28 15:43 -0700
              Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-28 23:11 +0000
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-29 17:23 +0300
                Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-29 08:19 -0700
        Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-28 21:57 +0200
  Re: Libraries using longjmp for error handling Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-30 09:37 +0100

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