Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?

From	Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?
Date	2020-07-09 10:07 -0700
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> writes:
>>
>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, 6 July 2020 12:57:06 UTC+1, Bonita Montero  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The compiler should give you an error for casting a string-literal to
>>>>> a pointer to non-const characters.  If cou cast it explicitly you may
>>>>> modify the caracters and that usually works, but it's not guaranteeed.
>>>>> Most platforms will make a writable copy of a read-only mapped page.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't warn because const was a late addition to C, and string
>>>> literals were originally char *s.
>>>> You can declare a writeable string with
>>>>
>>>> char writeable[] = "Overwrite me";
>>>>
>>>> this is also seldom a good idea.
>>>
>>> As mentioned upthread
>>>    char *str = ( argc>1? argv[1] :  (char *)"01234&56789" );
>>> compiles without the -Wwrite-strings warning, but still
>>> segfaults.  And
>>>    char str[] = ( argc>1? argv[1] : "01234&56789" );
>>> gives an error
>>>    tester.c:7:16: error: invalid initializer
>>>        7 |   char str[] = ( argc>1? argv[1] : "01234&56789" );
>>>          |                ^
>>>
>>> As suggested downthread, I can easily
>>>    char default[99] = "whatever",
>>>         *str = ( argc>1? argv[1] : default );
>>> but I'd prefer the more compact notation if possible.
>>> Any way to get that to work?
>>
>> It's compound literals to the rescue!
>>
>>     char *str =   argc > 1  ? argv[1]  : (char[]){ "01234&56789" };
>>
>> No errors, no undefined behavior, no problem.
>
> One thing to keep in mind is that the object created by a compound
> literal has automatic storage duration.  In this case I don't think
> that matters, but it is a difference between string literals and
> compound literals.  (A compound literal outside a function body
> creates an object with static storage duration.)

Yes, good point, and that is worth both knowing and remembering.
I didn't mention it only because the declaration in question
occurs right at the start of main() and so it will not, in this
case, be a problem.  But it is important to know for other
potential uses.

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does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-06 11:24 +0000
  Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-07-06 13:29 +0200
    Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2020-07-06 12:48 +0000
      Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 11:55 -0500
        Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-06 21:21 +0100
          Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 03:21 +0000
          Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2020-07-09 06:30 -0700
      Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-07-06 22:16 -0400
        Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 23:22 -0700
      Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 02:46 +0000
      Re: Mark Twain had something to say about this... (Was: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory?) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-07-07 09:29 +0200
    Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 11:25 -0700
      Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 03:05 +0000
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 23:25 -0700
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 06:47 +0000
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 07:00 +0000
              Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 01:24 -0700
              Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-07 20:47 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-08 03:43 +0000
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-07-07 09:35 +0200
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 07:54 +0000
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-07-07 11:27 +0200
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-07-09 06:53 -0400
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-07-09 14:48 +0200
              Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-09 17:01 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-07-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-09 20:23 +0000
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-09 23:56 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-07-10 03:25 +0000
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-07-10 11:56 -0400
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-07-10 12:31 +0000
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                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-09 22:17 +0000
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-09 23:50 +0100
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-09 16:52 +0100
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-07-09 10:13 -0700
              Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-09 11:24 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-09 22:59 +0000
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-07-10 16:36 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-10 15:54 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-07-10 18:33 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-10 22:50 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-11 16:21 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 08:55 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-07-11 17:09 +0100
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-07-11 18:34 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-10 13:17 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-07-11 02:00 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-10 17:46 -0700
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                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-07-11 18:43 +0200
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-07-11 15:09 -0400
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 13:39 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 15:50 -0700
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                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-07-10 08:54 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-11 03:26 +0000
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 03:56 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-07-10 08:46 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-10 13:38 -0700
                Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-10 13:54 -0700
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-07-07 08:52 -0400
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      Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-07-07 19:08 +0000
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-08 04:07 +0000
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 21:54 -0700
  Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2020-07-06 11:56 +0000
  Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 13:57 +0200
    Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 05:37 -0700
      Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-07-06 19:52 +0100
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-06 12:20 -0700
      Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-07 03:32 +0000
        Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-07-07 06:26 -0700
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 10:03 -0700
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-07-09 10:07 -0700
          Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2020-07-08 03:57 +0000
            Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-07-08 11:02 -0400
    Re: does char *str="abcd"; alloc addressable memory? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-07-06 09:43 -0700
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