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Re: A defer mechanism for C

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: A defer mechanism for C
Date 2020-12-24 16:26 -0800
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 20/12/2020 12:59, David Brown wrote:
>
>> On 19/12/2020 20:57, Bart wrote:
>>
>>> If I run the binary trees benchmark:
>>>
>>> https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/performance/binarytrees.html
>>>
>>>
>>> then a version using normal malloc/free, compiled with gcc-O3, runs at
>>> half the speed of my version using my own allocator.
>>>
>>> I don't know what malloc version gcc on Windows happens to use, but for
>>> this purpose, mine is faster.
>>>
>>> (Mine is a small-object allocator implemented on top of larger memory
>>> blocks obtained with any other allocator including malloc.  It doesn't
>>> need to store the block size, which helps.)
>>
>> As seems to be the case so regularly, you don't know what you are doing
>> when compiling and linking (you are often even unsure what your own
>> home-made tools are doing), and yet you feel qualified to give opinions.
>>
>> There are many different ways to handle memory allocation, with
>> different pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses.  There are many
>> different gcc builds for Windows, and many different C libraries that
>> can be used with them.
>>
>> So all you actually know from your benchmarking is that some things are
>> faster than others.  Marvellous.
>
> That's usually the point of benchmarking...
>
>
> Here are the figures (best using optimisation where available):
>
> Using regular malloc/free:
>
>   Pelles C       2.0 seconds all on Windows
>   lccwin         2.2
>   DMC            2.2
>   gcc            3.2
>   bcc            3.7
>   tcc            3.8
>
>   gcc            3.9/1.7 on virtual Ubuntu
>
>
> Using my allocator:
>
>   bb             1.4 seconds on Windows
>   gcc            1.0 (via C)
>
>   gcc            2.2/0.9 on virtual Ubuntu
>
>   qq             7.2 seconds (dynamic bytecode)
>
>
> What can I conclude from those figures?  According to you, absolutely
> nothing (never mind my allocator is up to 3 times as fast).
>
> I should abandon my allocator, just use malloc, and cross-my-fingers
> that whoever builds my programs happens to be using a decent C
> library.
>
> Personally I'd rather not have that special dependency coupled with
> such an unknown quantity.  With my allocator, I can guarantee that
> performance.  It DOESN'T MATTER what C library is used.
>
> (My gcc installation is only 750MB and 13,000 files;  I guess they
> couldn't squeeze in a decent C library.)
>
>
> (Note that my allocators, going back forever, have never stored the
> size of an allocated block.  That needs to be maintained by the
> application, [...]

So the results you reported are actually apples-and-oranges
comparisons, and the main conclusion is that it isn't
meaningful to compare them.

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                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 15:36 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 17:49 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 15:39 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-18 16:25 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 01:55 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 23:58 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 17:16 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:05 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 18:33 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:55 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-18 19:10 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 16:47 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 15:22 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 07:09 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 07:25 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 08:02 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-17 22:55 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-17 21:58 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-17 23:05 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 01:40 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-17 22:59 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 01:10 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-17 22:46 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 01:46 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 01:00 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 10:59 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 11:12 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 02:18 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 16:25 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 19:24 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 09:07 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 22:36 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-19 15:54 -0500
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-20 01:21 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-20 15:22 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 11:53 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 11:55 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 12:07 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 03:38 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-19 01:40 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 04:00 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:02 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 04:22 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:43 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-19 12:34 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 17:11 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-19 17:22 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:08 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:26 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 04:36 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:54 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 22:12 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 15:13 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-21 12:45 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 16:25 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-21 13:38 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-21 09:26 -0500
        Re: A defer mechanism for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-16 20:30 +0000
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            Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-16 21:02 +0000
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-17 07:24 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-18 18:14 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 19:25 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-18 18:38 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-18 20:44 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 02:07 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 00:51 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:51 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 06:15 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 06:25 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:58 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 18:43 +0300
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 16:56 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:55 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 15:52 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-19 00:40 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 11:46 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-19 21:31 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-19 22:27 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-20 09:36 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-21 21:02 +0000
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 22:24 +0100
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-16 13:07 -0800
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-12-16 18:35 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-17 04:08 +0000
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-16 23:13 +0000
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-17 07:24 +0100
  Re: A defer mechanism for C Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-16 20:29 +0000
  Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-17 01:26 +0300
  Re: A defer mechanism for C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 05:02 -0800
    Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 15:03 +0100
      Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 06:36 -0800
        Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 16:51 +0100
          Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 08:17 -0800
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 17:22 +0100
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 08:36 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 17:40 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 08:46 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 18:04 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 10:57 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 20:10 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 11:39 -0800
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 20:48 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 21:08 +0100
                Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 21:34 +0100
        Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 19:15 +0300
          Re: A defer mechanism for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 08:26 -0800
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 19:45 +0300
          Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 17:31 +0100
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 20:15 +0300
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 18:28 +0100
            Re: A defer mechanism for C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-21 20:49 +0000
              Re: A defer mechanism for C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-12-21 22:17 +0100

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