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Re: Programming exercise/challenge

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Programming exercise/challenge
Date 2021-01-28 13:01 -0800
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Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-5, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> I have some comments below... As a warning, my comments might be rather
>> harshly worded in some cases, but please don't take that personally.
>> The comments are meant to be about the code, not about you.
>
> At first I had decided not to respond, but then I thought you at least
> deserve to know where I have been coming from (If you want to).
>
> -- Moved up from the end --
>
>> Do you have questions, or any other reactions?
>
> No, I understand what you are saying.  I will give you my responses to
> your concerns, I don't expect you to "like" them.

My primary goal is communication.  As long as I understand what
you're saying, and vice versa, personal reactions are not very
important.

> I get that you hate my personal style and there are (personal) reasons
> I tend to code that way (so It really is in a way "about me" :).  It
> was not clear to me in the original posting that style was a big
> factor.  I know my style is not what some like, but for "Quick and
> Dirty" programming I do what works best for me.  If I were publishing
> code in/for a book or otherwise expecting it to go beyond a Usenet
> discussion I would have taken the effort to make it look much more
> like many other people expect.
>
> And FYI - a fair number of people I have worked with/for didn't like
> my style at first, but later told me thay liked and appreciated it -
> to each his own.

My comments about style were not meant as criticism, but only to
say that some of the style choices interfered with understanding
(that is, my understanding of) the deeper structure of the
program, which is where I feel the more significant issues are.
I'm sorry if what I said came across as something else.

>>> /*
>>> * whole line comments could easily be absent and should not
>>> * count against to 25 lime function body limit.
>>> *
>>
>> I suggest putting any whole line comments either just before or
>> just after the function they relate to....
>
> I like comments on functions, but for giving information on what I'm
> doing in a certain part of the code (which I often to for myself in
> tricky parts - you never know how long it will be before you might
> have to visit it again), I like to put those comments in that part.  I
> didn't realize that whole line comments near where they apply would be
> against the "spirit" of the exercise, and I thought my idea "whole
> line comments shouldn't apply against the 25 line limit" was pretty
> clear and reasonable - again, not thinking it was about "style" I was
> thinking it would be ok without any comments, and added the ones I did
> for reader benefit.

My comment was only a suggestion, and wasn't about the 25-line
rule or the spirit of the exercise.

>>> unsigned short // at least 16 bits to insure '& 0xFF00' works
>>> Cp, // Pending input character
>>> C0, // Last character read
>>> Enl; // EscapeNewLine seen
>>> unsigned char
>>> C1, // Previous character read
>>> Imode; // Input mode
>>
>> You have the germ of a good idea here (and carried forward in
>> rdchar1(), discussed below), but the names chosen and the types
>
> Again, didn't realize names used would count for the "exercise".
> [...]

Again my comment is only about trying to understand the code, and
was made only because of your stated request to let you know
about "any other/continued problems" in the program.  I'm not
saying that the names or types would necessarily be problems for
other people, or anything else about the exercise, but only that
they were problems for me.

>> used get in the way.  There is no reason to use either unsigned
>> short or unsigned char:  characters should be of type 'int'.
>
> Personal style.  People who "grew up" on big systems tend to not think
> about size and go with default type attributes.  When you have worked
> as much as I have on systems where "int" and/or signed operations can
> be noticeably more "expensive" in resources that other types, you tend
> to do things in ways which could generate simpler code.  And I've
> always thought that (except with some specific tools) smaller/simpler
> types on most systems don't cost you even if they don't save you much
> either.

The problem is one of ease of comprehension.  It is possible the
smaller types will work fine, but it costs mental effort to
verify that.  The advantage of using 'int' (and after all it's
only four variables) is that if 'int' is used then it's obvious
that the code will work.

>> counter should be just 'unsigned', and Imode shouldn't be a
>> character at all, but some enum type.  The names (ignoring the
>> style of initial capital letter) used for the characters go
>> pretty strongly against the mental grain.  I suggest this (I am
>> using all lower case but please don't focus on that):
>
> More "personal style" I did things simple because of the limitations
> of the exercise.  Also, I tend to use all lower-case for locals,
> Beginning with Upper for globals and all Upper for #defines etc.  not
> 100% consistent in this but I do it a lot.

I wasn't complaining about you using initial capitals, just
saying my own usual practice is otherwise.  And I did say
explicitly not to focus on the case differences.

>>> // Line continuation sequences occurring within comments are
>>> // removed.  But what about comments starting with [/\<newline>*]
>>> // [/<newline>/] ?
>>
>> Presumably you meant [/\<newline>/] at the end there.
>
> I did.
>
>>> // I decided to remove them,
>>
>> That is the right thing to do
>
> Except that [.../\<newline>* */... /\<newline>* */...]  could result
> in the [...]s collecting into very long lines when the <newlines> are
> not retained.  It should be "obvious" that replacing coments with
> single spaces would remove any <newline> embedded in those comments,
> but it might not be as obvious to someone that these newlines were
> "inside" the comment - it takes effect at the '/', but doesn't
> actually get recognized till the '*'...

I wasn't faulting your (implied) question, just answering it.

>>> // but if you prefer those [\<newline>]s to
>>> // remain, change all [/*1] in this file to [//1], [...]
>>
>> It would be nicer if this sort of conditional behavior were done
>> using regular code and not using either comments or the C
>> pre-processor.
>
> Remember the 25 line limit?  I was presenting how the program could be
> changed if it was desired to do something a little different.  And yes
> the [//] lines were assumed not to count against the limit.  I only
> did all this because I pretty much knew that "someone" would argue it
> if I had just chosen one or the other.

My suggestion was made in the interest of ease of understanding.
It shouldn't be too hard to use if() rather than commenting or
pre-processor conditionals and still observe a limit on function
length.

>> First the code has a hidden brace (just before the /*1*/ line).
>> Please don't do that.
>> .. Lots more comments on how bad my style is throughout trimmed ...
>
> This doesn't apply to your "challenge" and I don't really think it's
> something you should need to know, but I'm not young (pretty sure you
> know this due to my mentioning having programmed in the 70's), but
> what you might not know is that I have some pretty significant vision
> issues.
>
> Because of this, I tend to work using my own editor which uses a 25x80
> text screen, usually enlarged to fill a 27 (or in some cases 24) inch
> monitor.  It helps me see what I'm doing a lot better.

Interesting.  This effect is not one I have encountered before,
at least not this severely.

> Because of the 25 lines, I *abhor* working on code where block braces
> have been spread out over lots of nicely indented and otherwise blank
> lines.  So I do something unpopular with some and stack my braces at
> the ends of the lines where the block level changes.

Another thing you could do is strive for shorter functions.  I
wrote several different programs as solutions for this exercise,
and across all of those programs none of the functions was
anywhere close to 25 lines.

> This might not have shown in my code due to the newsgroup, but what
> *I* do is to be adamant about horizontal spacing.  For C I use tabs at
> 4-space intervals - my editor defaults to this for .C .H etc, and you
> can clearly follow my codes block just by seeing how the lines are
> indented.  And except for places I "wanted" a blank line, no screen
> lines are wasted.
>
> So (just a "fun" statement):  You appear to assume that anyone who
> codes has good enough vision to comfortably do so in a manner that
> will please the majority of people.  (Please don't do that. :)

My comment about placement of closing braces runs deeper than
matters of personal preference.  However that's a larger topic so
I will just say thank you for explaining your situation.

> FWIW, if you use the RFCGG program I posted a few messages back, it
> will "mostly" restore my original formatting.  There will be a few
> single non- block contained lines you have to fix manually to get the
> tabs right, but it will be restores to mostly way it should have
> looked (and don't worry I will try to refrain from posting more of my
> "horrible" code! :)

I haven't looked at that yet but will try to soon.

>> Looking at the semantics, I can't help the feeling that the code
>> is both working too hard and is too hard to understand.  Using
>> the declarations I wrote above, it can be written more concisely
>> thus (also I changed the name - 'rdchar1' is horrible):
>>
>> int read_next(){
>> c0 = c1, n_lcs = 0, c1 = c2, c2 = getchar();
>
> I avoided stacking assignments in one statement because I felt that
> this was using a capability of C to sidestep the 25 line restriction.
> I was mentally translating "25 lines" to "25 C operations".

I wrote it this way because it more directly expresses how I
think of what is being done.  To me, conceptually this is one
operation.  In any case "25 lines" means 25 lines, not something
else.  I wrote code the I usually do, not trying to reduce the
number of lines artifically, and that is what I was expecting
other people would do.

> You'll note that I commented when I put a single if/switch block on one
> line.

Yes, and there are cases where I imagine I would do something
similar (I think I have done while()switch() on the same line in
some programs in the past).  For me the deciding factor, at least
in almost all cases, is Does the code best express my conception
of what is being done?  It wasn't that the if()switch() by itself
is bad, only that in combination with all the other control flow
going on it added another unit of difficulty.

>> while( c1 == '\\' && c2 == '\n' ){
>> n_lcs++, c1 = getchar(), c2 = getchar();
>> }
>> Notice the code is simpler because the invariant is easier to
>> write.  The values in c0, c1, and c2 are consistent at all times:
>> last, current, and next.  The number of LCs (in n_lcs) goes with
>> the character in c1 so it is initialized to zero at the start of
>> the routine.  Do you see how this writing corresponds (even if
>> not exactly) to your rdchar1() function?
>
> Sorry but No - it misses the operations with [Cp] which is a Pending
> character needed to detect '\<newline>' in accordance with the
> standard.  As I mentioned in a comment I probably would have done it
> differently had I know about this "feature" at the start.  I haven't
> taken the time to look at the rest of your program to see if you
> handled it somewhere else.

The variable c2 corresponds to your Cp variable.  The while()
loop shown dutifully counts the <backslant><newline> pairs just
before each (regular) character.  I'm pretty sure these two
functions exhibit the same externally visible behavior (taking
into account the change of variable names).  Do you see some
way that they are different in that respect?

>> Combinations of break's and
>> continue's (break's go with the switch(), continue's go with the for()
>> and are there to pass over the return statement at the end), along
>> with the if()/switch() -- all of these make the code very hard to
>> decipher.
>
> But legal C ... which is what I understood the challenge to be about
> (avoid [goto] and keep functions below 25 lines)

My comments were not about observing the restrictions of the
exercise but about trying to give feedback on the program's
behavior, which for me was hindered by the elaborate control flow
used.

>> Re-writing to clean up the layout and better show the control flow:
>
> I haven't bothered to check your code, but quite possible as this was
> code I hacked at to account for the "feature" I hadn't know about at
> the start.  As far as I could tell I still met the requirements of the
> "challenge" so I didn't further optimize it for clarity.

At the risk of repeating myself, my comments were not meant as
criticism or whether the program meets the constraints of the
exercise, only about giving feedback on how to make it give
correct results.

>> At this point I am lost.  The code seems very confused.  Normally I
>> would go through and try to fix things up to the point where it will
>> work, but I kind of gave up here;  I thought would be easier to
>> write a whole new program from scratch than try to fix this one.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.  I didn't think it was actually that bad,
> only four functions which at 17, 25, 16 and 25 non-comment line each
> (of which a few are just function definitions and block delimiter
> lines, making the number of code generating C lines even less.. I
> believe it is all legal C, and the "challenge" was about limits on how
> big things could be and specified C features that could not be used,
> so my code wasn't designed to be overly readable.  If it were a
> "challenge" about style my entry would have been a LOT different!

My comments were primarily about program behavior and how to make
it give correct results.  Any comments about style were (and are)
subsidiary to that.

> Btw, if the variable names were causing you real problems, it is a
> small program and most editors support global substitution.  For the
> block delimiters, I'm pretty sure there are some "pretty printers"
> which would take care of that two.

I did both of those things.

>> Note by the way that the LCs are output only here, but there is
>> more than one place that rdchar2() is called, which means some
>> LCs are potentially lost (ie, not transmitted to the output, or
>> not transmitted in the right places).
>
> I had reasons for ordering things the way I did, so I (personally)
> don't think so, but feel free to advise me of any actual issues like
> that you might find (that's what I was looking for).
>
> When I asked you for further feedback I was assuming that since you
> had posted only a couple and easily fixed problem, I was asking for
> you to be sure to let me know of any other functionality problems you
> observed.

My post upthread (before your latest program) included this
example (indented, so remove leading white space)

    ================
    /\
    \
    \
    1
    ================

The program you last posted gives this output for that

    ================
    \
    \
    \
    /1
    ================

Obviously that's wrong.  Since the program is having problems
with examples I already gave, it seemed appropriate to look
at how the code works and comment on that.  And that is what
I did.

> Your post to another guy suggested that you were trying
> quite a bit of code through them.

I do have a lot of test cases, but your code isn't yet passing
all the ones I've already given you.  Do you not test the
specific cases I mention?

>> Here are skeletons for the "go" routines:
>> .. quite a few  function definitions trimmed ..
>
> Again I clearly didn't understand the "challenge".  I thought the 25
> line function limit implied "less code desirable" and that "many small
> functions" would be "frowned upon".

I don't know how you got that idea.  The point of limiting
function length is to avoid overly long functions.  It seems kind
of obvious that as functions are made shorter the number of
functions used will tend to go up.  The exercise wasn't meant to
be a code golf kind of exercise.

>> I don't know how much sense all this makes to you.  I'm trying to
>> provide what constructive comments I can, but unfortunately am
>> hampered by finding the submitted program code confusing.
>
> Makes good sense, and had I expected the code to be reviewed for more
> than "what it does", I probably would have made some style changes
> before sending it.

I was reviewing the code because you had asked for feedback about
other problems, and all of my comments were meant to be directed
toward that goal.  It wasn't meant as a code review for its own
sake, only to provide information that might help you correct the
program's behavior.

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        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 05:15 -0800
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-12 19:46 -0800
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-31 00:34 -0800
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-01 08:24 -0800
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-07 07:03 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 02:16 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 02:39 +0300
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-08 23:18 -0800
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    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-08 23:20 -0800
  Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 13:44 -0800
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 14:01 -0800
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-07 22:16 +0000
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 15:10 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-08 01:07 +0000
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    Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 18:17 -0800
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 00:56 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 02:30 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 15:14 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 15:44 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 23:56 +0300
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 13:29 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 00:46 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 13:59 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 14:17 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 12:58 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-13 20:57 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-14 20:44 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-23 11:15 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-23 23:45 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-23 21:36 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-24 09:11 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-24 15:30 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-24 23:18 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-24 23:56 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 12:01 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-29 19:31 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-24 14:47 -0800
  Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 01:59 +0300
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-08 23:26 -0800
  Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-07 19:02 -0500
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-08 01:15 +0000
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-07 20:38 -0500
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-08 02:19 +0000
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-08 11:44 +0000
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-08 07:32 -0500
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-08 14:40 +0000
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-08 06:52 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-08 17:31 +0000
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-08 20:16 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-08 20:48 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 15:34 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 02:54 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 12:33 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 12:43 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 01:52 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 00:28 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-12 21:40 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 13:48 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 01:46 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-08 23:29 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-08 10:45 -0500
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-08 17:16 +0000
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-08 06:39 -0800
  Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-07 17:48 -0800
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-07 21:03 -0500
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 03:02 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-09 08:02 -0500
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-09 16:49 +0000
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-09 13:33 -0500
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-09 19:57 +0000
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-10 01:45 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-12-10 02:15 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-24 11:24 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-09 21:57 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-10 03:32 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-10 08:19 -0500
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-24 11:04 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-24 19:34 +0000
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-08 02:22 +0000
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 03:04 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-09 11:59 +0000
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-09 08:11 -0500
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-10 00:02 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-10 15:12 +0000
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-10 10:36 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-10 22:11 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2020-12-10 23:34 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-12-10 20:11 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-10 21:06 -0800
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 03:03 +0300
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-08 21:21 -0500
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 12:50 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-12-09 08:16 -0500
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-08 23:32 -0800
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-09 12:21 +0000
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-02 19:15 +0000
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-07 01:54 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-22 22:36 +0000
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 20:27 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-23 13:05 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 07:45 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-23 16:49 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 11:22 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-23 16:53 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 09:55 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 21:35 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-24 18:17 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 07:57 -0800
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  Re: Programming exercise/challenge "jfbod...@gmail.com" <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 11:30 -0800
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      Re: Programming exercise/challenge jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-12-08 22:17 +0100
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-12-08 22:15 +0100
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge "jfbod...@gmail.com" <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 13:28 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge "jfbod...@gmail.com" <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 12:05 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 00:04 +0300
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-12-08 21:38 +0000
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 03:25 -0800
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      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 00:35 +0300
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-12 22:57 +0000
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-12 23:43 +0000
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-12 19:47 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-12 23:27 -0800
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-12-13 14:44 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-24 11:47 -0800
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    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 14:51 +0300
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 11:35 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 02:33 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-10 00:05 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 14:59 +0300
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-10 20:32 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 23:45 +0300
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-12 19:24 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 00:17 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-12 19:23 -0800
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    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-09 12:01 -0800
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  Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-23 01:00 -0600
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      Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-26 23:03 -0600
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-27 06:29 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-28 11:52 -0600
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-29 00:38 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 15:29 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-28 17:12 -0600
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-28 23:54 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-29 10:26 -0600
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-29 10:37 -0600
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-12-29 19:59 -0800
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    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 16:54 +0300
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-12-31 09:16 -0600
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-12-31 15:56 +0000
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-07 02:41 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 13:01 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 14:15 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-01 08:03 -0800
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-01 07:42 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 21:59 +0300
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-02 14:52 -0500
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 12:30 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-02 18:17 -0500
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-02 19:22 -0500
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 17:48 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-02 22:35 -0500
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-02 18:02 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 00:42 -0800
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-04 20:12 -0800
  Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 07:04 -0800
    Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-04 20:22 -0800
      Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 04:24 -0800
        Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-05 06:22 -0800
          Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 08:55 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 20:22 +0300
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 20:27 +0300
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-05 14:20 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-05 17:23 +0000
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 10:18 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-05 18:57 +0000
              Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 12:58 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-05 17:31 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-05 17:50 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 19:33 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-05 23:02 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 21:00 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-06 07:42 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 08:55 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-06 13:29 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 14:09 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-06 22:11 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 03:10 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-07 06:40 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 06:27 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 04:32 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-11 06:58 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 14:40 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-15 09:46 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-17 04:13 -0800
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-17 18:02 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-01-17 15:12 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-17 21:39 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-20 10:57 -0800
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 09:09 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-22 13:47 -0500
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-22 19:42 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-22 21:16 +0000
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 17:46 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 09:51 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-23 18:38 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 04:52 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-23 15:45 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 09:04 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-23 23:10 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 15:39 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-23 15:59 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-25 11:40 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 09:47 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-23 18:32 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-23 17:26 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-24 01:55 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 08:40 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 20:51 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-01-24 02:28 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-24 03:49 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-24 15:38 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-01-24 14:04 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 07:26 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-25 16:58 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 09:14 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 07:32 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-27 16:24 +0000
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                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-01-28 12:25 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-28 06:18 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-01-28 16:54 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-28 09:15 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-01-28 20:07 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-28 15:58 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-29 00:07 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-28 16:17 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-29 00:03 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 03:37 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-28 22:50 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2021-01-30 23:14 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-30 20:49 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge M Joshua Ryan <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 00:05 -0600
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 11:51 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-01-25 17:22 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 12:21 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 14:27 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 19:41 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-26 04:46 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 06:30 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-26 15:46 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 03:43 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-27 13:43 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-01-27 17:51 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-27 11:02 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-27 17:03 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 07:21 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-27 17:09 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-27 17:04 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-28 10:41 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-28 18:25 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-28 10:44 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-28 21:33 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-01-29 10:39 +0100
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-25 23:52 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-01-26 11:37 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 08:04 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-01-27 19:16 +0300
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 23:38 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-27 13:43 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 03:16 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-28 06:42 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-28 13:01 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-06 13:35 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-06 19:27 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-01-06 21:25 +0000
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-06 00:37 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Dave Dunfield <dave.dunfield@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 04:34 -0800
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-06 11:54 -0500
                Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-05 15:28 -0800
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-01-05 13:27 -0500
            Re: Programming exercise/challenge Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-01-05 15:43 -0800
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