Re: else ladders practice

From	Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: else ladders practice
Date	2024-11-29 21:03 -0800
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 28/11/2024 05:18, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2024 12:29, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/11/2024 18:49, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's funny how nobody seems to care about the speed of
>>>>>>> compilers (which can vary by 100:1), but for the generated
>>>>>>> programs, the 2:1 speedup you might get by optimising it is
>>>>>>> vital!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think most people would rather take this path (these times
>>>>>> are actual measured times of a recently written program):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        compile time:       1 second
>>>>>>        program run time:   ~7 hours
>>>>>>
>>>>>> than this path (extrapolated using the ratios mentioned above):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        compile time:       0.01 second
>>>>>>        program run time:   ~14 hours
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to think of some computationally intensive app that
>>>>> would run non-stop for several hours without interaction.
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion is the same whether the program run time
>>>> is 7 hours, 7 minutes, or 7 seconds.
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention 7 seconds.  If I'm working on single
>>> source file called sql.c for example, that's how long it takes for
>>> gcc to create an unoptimised executable:
>>>
>>>    c:\cx>tm gcc sql.c            #250Kloc file
>>>    TM:  7.38
>>
>> Your example illustrates my point.  Even 250 thousand lines of
>> source takes only a few seconds to compile.  Only people nutty
>> enough to have single source files over 25,000 lines or so --
>> over 400 pages at 60 lines/page!  -- are so obsessed about
>> compilation speed.  And of course you picked the farthest-most
>> outlier as your example, grossly misrepresenting any sort of
>> average or typical case.
>
> It's not atypical for me! [...]

I can easily accept that it might be typical for you.  My
point is that it is not typical for almost everyone else.

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Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-11-27 21:18 -0800
  Re: else ladders practice Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-28 14:37 +0200
    Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-11-28 15:25 +0000
      Re: else ladders practice Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-28 17:46 +0200
      Re: else ladders practice antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-12-01 13:04 +0000
        Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-12-01 15:13 +0000
          Re: else ladders practice antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-12-06 23:30 +0000
            Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-12-07 12:40 +0000
    Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-11-29 21:25 -0800
      Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-11-30 11:26 +0000
        Re: else ladders practice antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-12-01 13:19 +0000
        Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-02 06:09 -0800
          Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-12-02 14:44 +0000
            Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-02 19:19 +0100
              Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-12-02 18:48 +0000
                Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-05 14:41 +0100
                Re: else ladders practice Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 15:51 -0800
                Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-07 11:58 +0100
            Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-05 16:24 -0800
  Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-11-28 14:27 +0000
    Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-11-28 18:28 +0100
      Re: else ladders practice Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-11-28 18:25 +0000
        Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-11-29 10:36 +0100
        Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-11-29 15:29 -0800
          Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-11-30 03:46 +0100
            Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-11-29 20:40 -0800
              Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-11-30 11:00 +0100
                Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-04 17:34 -0800
                Re: else ladders practice Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-05 14:21 +0100
    Re: else ladders practice Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-11-29 21:03 -0800

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