Re: need argument for try catch blocks

From	Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: need argument for try catch blocks
Date	2011-06-03 19:04 +0200
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>> I agree that RAII, or close to RAII, would be a reasonable goal: what
>> I'm saying is that does not happen in a glimpse and you have to live
>> those couple of months/years plus bug fixing with non-RAII code.
>>
>> Do you know a QuickRAIIFierTool download page? :-) I'm half-serious,
>> one should write code transformation tools such as this one.
>
> No i don't know. Overall there is rather sad set of C++ refactoring
> and round-trip engineering tools available. Sad even if to include
> commercial ones. The ones that are available are often expensive but
> still must be applied carefully to not damage more than cure.
>
> Also be careful when considering writing your own tool. Usually every
> team contains a dedicated tool-dwarf or couple, but tools that
> outright refactor source code are made rarely.
>

Just to clear the possibility: the team I'm with doesn't need one.

I'm rather considering this as a 'make money' option in some distant
future (read: probably never)

> Typical problems are that the C++ itself is most complex programming
> language in use, source material is always defective, an human is
> involved in configuring and assisting the tool but may make mistakes
> and tool itself is also likely defective (or with "softer"
> terminology: inflexible, too mechanical and not enough self-
> critical).

Yeah. I always prefer even to indent the code myself than rely on an
automata, maybe the IDE is helping more than it is annoying. And most
source analysis tools for me are more of a pastime that an everyday
tool.

The first thing I thought of when thinking about how to write such tools
is that C++ is indeed complex to parse, let alone transform.
I don't agree with the defective argument: most simple refactoring
mechanisms built into IDEs fall back to 'Preview' allowing human
intervention, either when the tool is not sure or just for the sake
of checking.

>
> The C++ code base should be therefore covered with unit tests rather
> well first for any sort of refactoring to be applied to it at low pain
> level.

Actually, I always consider refactoring more an obstruction to doing
unit tests (or the other way round...);
I do agree that having unit tests vastly helps when doing ANY
changes.

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need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-05-26 08:20 -0700
  Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-26 18:24 +0200
    Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-05-26 10:28 -0700
      Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-05-26 10:31 -0700
      Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-26 20:36 +0200
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-27 06:10 -0700
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-06 04:24 -0500
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-06 05:22 -0500
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-06 21:53 -0700
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-06 23:48 -0700
              Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-07 00:18 -0700
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 07:13 -0500
              Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-07 07:33 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 10:08 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 10:12 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-07 13:59 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 16:48 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 18:20 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 14:42 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 18:13 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 16:21 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-07 19:13 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 07:07 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 07:12 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-09 07:19 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-09 21:00 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 15:40 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 16:07 -0500
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-09 10:21 -0500
  Re: need argument for try catch blocks Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2011-05-27 06:40 +0000
  Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pieITAKNIECZYTAM@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 14:05 +0200
    Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-27 14:16 +0200
      Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pieITAKNIECZYTAM@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 14:48 +0200
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-27 15:10 +0200
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pieITAKNIECZYTAM@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 15:54 +0200
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-27 16:13 +0200
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2011-05-30 09:56 +0200
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-30 10:22 +0200
      Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-05-27 07:43 -0700
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2011-05-27 10:19 -0500
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-27 17:58 +0200
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-30 09:43 -0700
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-05-30 11:58 -0700
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-05-31 08:57 -0700
              Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-31 13:33 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-01 09:03 +1200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-31 14:57 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-06-01 02:06 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-05-31 16:32 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-06-01 11:42 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-06-02 16:01 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-03 04:27 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-06-03 07:39 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-03 10:43 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-06-03 11:31 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-06-03 12:14 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-06-03 21:22 +0100
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-06-04 17:30 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-06-04 15:16 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-11 10:22 +0000
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2011-06-03 21:17 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:24 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2011-06-04 19:34 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-04 19:39 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-06-04 07:22 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2011-06-04 19:24 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Christopher <cpisz@austin.rr.com> - 2011-06-03 07:51 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-06-03 20:57 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2011-06-05 13:29 +0200
        Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pieITAKNIECZYTAM@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 19:01 +0200
          Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-05-31 17:13 -0700
            Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2011-06-03 16:04 +0200
              Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-03 09:44 -0700
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Edek <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2011-06-03 19:04 +0200
                Re: need argument for try catch blocks Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-04 07:05 -0700
      Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-06 05:15 -0500
  Re: need argument for try catch blocks "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-06 04:43 -0500

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