Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C

From	Kai-Uwe Bux <jkherciueh@gmx.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C
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Date	2011-05-22 14:22 +0200
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Balog Pal wrote:

> "Kai-Uwe Bux" <jkherciueh@gmx.net>
> 
> [quotes rearranged!]
>>> "Kai-Uwe Bux" <jkherciueh@gmx.net>
>> Upthread, you asked the question in the first place:
>>
>>> "Dombo" <dombo@disposable.invalid>
>>> > The difference is that C if you want some thing to happen you must
>>> > explicitly write code for it; what you see is what you get. In C++
>>> > lots of things can happen because of an innocently looking statement
>>> > or even when there is no code at all (destructors); you may very
>>> > well get more than that you see.
>>>
>>> Is there any real difference?
> 
> Seem like poor choice of words on my part.  I meant something like real
> *practical* difference. A difference that leads to actual better/worse
> software, more/less planted bugs etc.

[...]

> After clearing up the misunderstanding, could we follow the practical
> chain?

Certainly.

In terms of likelyhood of bugs, I think it's not so much a difference in 
total number of bugs per line but a difference in distribution. The error 
patterns will be different. The implicit coding style can help to avoid many 
bugs. If you put clean up code in the destructor, it will be very hard to 
_not_ execute it at the appropriate point. Exceptions in templated code, on 
the other hand, can lurk at places where you don't espect them diverting 
control flow to a point determined by the type of the exception thrown (and 
within a template, that can be an unknown type, whence the target of the 
jump is unknown, too). On the other hand, not seeing those jumps written 
explicitly, can improve readability of the code; and having client code 
determine the target of the jump even allows for greater flexibility than 
goto -- whether that is good or bad, I guess, depends on the perspective.

In terms of better/worse software, I do not see any evidence either way. It 
seems that other factors are much more decisive. In the end, it's not the 
language alone but a tupel

  (group of developers, languages used, toolchain, ...)

that influences overall quality of the result. This is not to say that 
changing a single element in the tupel does not have an effect. But in one 
setting going from C to C++ can boost the quality and in another setting it 
can make things worse.

Upshot:
=======
It think, for any particular project, there is a practical difference in 
choosing C++ or C or (insert other language here). Making the right choice 
will improve work flow and quality of the developed program. However, what 
the "right choice" is depends on many factors and the "right choice" is not 
uniform.

I am not sure whether that qualifies as a "practical difference" in the 
sense of your question. But surely, choosing C++ or C is a consideration of 
practical importance. I would, however, venture the following conjecture: 
whether the explicit/implicit distinction will have any seizable weight in 
choosing the language probably depends more on the developers involved than 
the task at hand.

Best,

Kai-Uwe Bux

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                Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Kai-Uwe Bux <jkherciueh@gmx.net> - 2011-05-21 22:18 +0200
                Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-05-22 02:31 +0200
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      Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-05-21 01:18 -0500
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    Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-05-18 01:27 -0700
  Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-05-18 19:55 +0200
    Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-05-19 13:50 +0900
    Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Krice <paulkp@mbnet.fi> - 2011-05-20 02:46 -0700
      Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-05-20 03:49 -0700
    Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-05-21 01:25 -0500
      Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-21 12:08 +0100
        Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-05-21 09:19 -0500
  Re: Why C++ is vastly superior to C Michael Tsang <miklcct@gmail.com> - 2011-05-19 20:26 +0800
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    Re: Why a skyscraper is vastly superior to a home "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-05-24 01:23 -0500
    Re: Why a skyscraper is vastly superior to a home "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-05-24 01:30 -0500
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