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Re: Problem with array objects

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On May 10, 10:31 am, "A. Bolmarcich" <agge...@earl-grey.cloud9.net>
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This is for your benefit A. Bolmarcich. I don't think you'll get
anywhere, but to lessen your pain and suffering, let me take a stab at
where Paul is coming from so that you might understand.

For nearly all of the programming world, we recognize a few thinks
that Paul does not. Note that these are almost purely definitional,
which means that you cannot "prove" Paul wrong with evidence or a
scientific argument. Instead, Paul is wrong by definition. Arguments
over definition tend to devolve down into usually not interesting or
convincing arguments IMHO. Either it's clear cut enough that the
correct answer is obvious, such as in this case, or it's ambiguous
enough that you're better off just getting a temporary consensus on
usable terms for the duration of the conversation.

Lots of the recent inane arguments have been because you both have
been arguing with your own particular definitions of the words which
are not shared by your opponent. Thus, the conversation is as if one
is yelling in French and the other in traditional Chinese. It won't
get very far unless and until you agree upon some definitions for the
terms involved, and any future discussion should be framed in that
regard.

1- An array is an object. The elements of an array are sub-objects of
the array. "new int[2]" creates 1 array object, which has 2 sub-
objects of type int. Thus 3 objects in total. Paul will dispute this.
GL there. If I were to try arguing with him, I would start here.

2- A. Bolmarcich wants to narrowly define "accessing the array" as an
expression of array type which refers to the array, or some such. Paul
wants to narrowly define "accessing the array" as an expression of the
element type of the array which refers to an element of the array, or
some such. IMHO, I think both are accepted usage of language, that is
I don't think there's such a clear cut definition of "access" in
usage, so GL to both of you.

3- Paul is making some sort of distinction between "an array object"
and "an array-type object". At least, I think he is, or something.
It's really quite hard to follow because he has never defined those
terms, and because he's wrong insofaras that's how /anyone/ else uses
those words. I've been trying to figure out exactly what he means, but
it's difficult to pierce his terminology.

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Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-26 22:42 +0100
  Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-04-27 12:53 -0500
    Re: Problem with array objects Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-27 19:06 +0100
    Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-27 20:09 +0100
      Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-04-29 12:57 -0500
        Re: Problem with array objects Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-29 19:10 +0100
        Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-29 19:56 +0100
          Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-02 13:20 -0500
            Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-02 22:43 +0100
              Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-05 14:13 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-05 22:21 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-06 10:49 +1200
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-06 12:29 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-07 11:34 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-08 04:05 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-10 12:31 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-10 22:10 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-12 12:19 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-13 09:54 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-14 11:20 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-14 23:59 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-17 12:59 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-18 19:36 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-19 13:20 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-20 14:29 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects "A. Bolmarcich" <aggedor@earl-grey.cloud9.net> - 2011-05-23 13:53 -0500
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-23 22:53 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-05-23 23:04 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-05-23 23:19 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 15:56 -0700
                Re: Problem with array objects Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-11 12:25 +1200
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-11 10:56 +0100
                Re: Problem with array objects Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 14:09 -0700
                Re: Problem with array objects "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-12 13:31 +0100

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