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  [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Farnsworth" <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-07-18 10:48 -0400
    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-18 18:56 +0000
      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-18 20:58 +0100
        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-18 20:06 +0000
      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Theo Tress" <rbk@online.de> - 2012-07-19 10:03 +0200
    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-18 19:16 -0400
      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-19 08:56 +0000
        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-19 08:23 -0400
          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-20 03:36 +0000
          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Farnsworth" <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-07-20 04:28 -0400
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-20 14:12 +0100
          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-20 08:29 -0400
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-20 19:20 +0000
              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Norm Fowler <NormF4@spoof.com> - 2012-07-20 16:33 -0700
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Farnsworth" <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-07-25 01:43 -0400
              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-25 08:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Farnsworth" <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-07-25 16:11 -0400
                Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-27 19:03 -0600
        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-19 08:46 -0400
          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Vacuum Sealed <noodnutt@gmail.com> - 2012-07-20 00:47 +1000
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Jeff Johnson" <i.get@enough.spam> - 2012-07-19 14:10 -0400
              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-19 18:43 -0600
    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Helmut_Meukel <Helmut_Meukel@bn-hof.invalid> - 2012-07-19 10:56 +0200
    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Thorsten Albers" <gudea@gmx.de> - 2012-07-21 12:43 +0000
      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Clive Lumb" <clumb2@gratui_en_anglais.fr.invalid> - 2012-07-24 10:07 +0200
        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-24 10:20 +0100
          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 10:58 -0300
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-24 10:15 -0400
              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 11:36 -0300
                Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-24 12:39 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 17:50 -0300
                    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-24 14:38 -0700
                      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 20:54 -0300
                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-24 16:59 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-25 07:00 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-25 10:28 -0300
                            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-25 15:03 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-25 11:17 -0300
                            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-25 18:18 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-25 14:26 -0300
                            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-27 18:55 -0600
                              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-27 21:24 -0400
                                Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-27 21:26 -0600
                                  Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-28 09:46 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-28 13:43 -0600
                                      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> - 2012-07-28 13:46 -0600
                                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-28 17:13 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-27 22:36 -0300
                      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 22:07 -0300
                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-24 18:21 -0700
                          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-25 10:33 -0300
                            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-25 10:00 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-07-25 20:14 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-25 06:52 +0100
                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-25 10:31 -0700
                          Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-25 20:19 +0100
                            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-25 12:41 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-24 19:27 -0400
                    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-24 20:51 -0300
                      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-07-24 22:03 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> - 2012-07-25 11:15 -0300
                    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> - 2012-07-24 16:51 -0700
            Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Clive Lumb" <clumb2@gratui_en_anglais.fr.invalid> - 2012-07-24 16:12 +0200
              Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Henning" <computer_hero@coldmail.com> - 2012-07-24 17:42 +0200
    Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you ReverendFuzzy <google@msbministries.org> - 2012-07-24 09:16 -0700
      Re: [OT] Windows XP and Vista No Office 2013 for you "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> - 2012-07-24 18:24 +0100

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#1390

"Vacuum Sealed" <noodnutt@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> FWIW, my 20 cents.

[...]

> My 2 cents are free...:)

So what about the other 18? 

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#1391

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:10:22 -0400, "Jeff Johnson" <i.get@enough.spam>
wrote:
  
>> FWIW, my 20 cents.
>
>[...]
>
>> My 2 cents are free...:)
>
>So what about the other 18? 

Sub prime.

Tony

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#1382

Farnsworth beschrieb am 18.07.2012:
> Run Hamster run!
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229276/Windows_XP_and_Vista_No_Office_2013_for_you
>
> By Gregg Keizer
> July 17, 2012 03:58 PM ET
>
> Computerworld - Microsoft confirmed yesterday that the new Office 2013 will 
> not run on older PCs powered by Windows XP or Vista.

I'm still using Office 2000, because I found no features in the newer
versions to justify an upgrade.

BTW, I have 5 desktops and 1 laptop:
2 are still running Windows 2000,
1 Windows XP,
1 Vista,
2 Windows 7.
I do *not* intend to upgrade any to Windows 8.

Helmut.

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#1409

Farnsworth <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Beitrag
<ju6ibl$97s$1@speranza.aioe.org>...
> Run Hamster run!
> 
>
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229276/Windows_XP_and_Vista_No_Offic
e_2013_for_you
> 
> By Gregg Keizer
> July 17, 2012 03:58 PM ET
> 
> Computerworld - Microsoft confirmed yesterday that the new Office 2013
will 
> not run on older PCs powered by Windows XP or Vista.

Some part of the message must have gone lost somewhere. Originally it read:
"... not run on older PCs powered by Windows XP or Vista. Microsoft
confirmed also that it still doesn't know if new Office 2013 will run on
newer PCs powered by Windows 7, 8, and later."

-- 
Thorsten Albers

gudea  at  gmx.de

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#1416

"Thorsten Albers" <gudea@gmx.de> a écrit dans le message de groupe de 
discussion : 01cd673e$6de74a00$6d01a8c0@k8s8x...
> Farnsworth <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Beitrag
> <ju6ibl$97s$1@speranza.aioe.org>...
>> Run Hamster run!
>>
>>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229276/Windows_XP_and_Vista_No_Offic
> e_2013_for_you
>>
>> By Gregg Keizer
>> July 17, 2012 03:58 PM ET
>>
>> Computerworld - Microsoft confirmed yesterday that the new Office 2013
> will
>> not run on older PCs powered by Windows XP or Vista.
>
> Some part of the message must have gone lost somewhere. Originally it 
> read:
> "... not run on older PCs powered by Windows XP or Vista. Microsoft
> confirmed also that it still doesn't know if new Office 2013 will run on
> newer PCs powered by Windows 7, 8, and later."
>
> -- 
> Thorsten Albers

LOL!
Wait for Office 2018:
"Microsoft announced that the word processing and spreadsheet functions 
would only be available in the Enterprise Edition of Office 2018, and are 
expected to be phased out altogether in the next version"

 

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#1417

"Clive Lumb" <clumb2@gratui_en_anglais.fr.invalid> wrote in message 
news:500e57b6$0$6451$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> LOL!
> Wait for Office 2018:
> "Microsoft announced that the word processing and spreadsheet
> functions would only be available in the Enterprise Edition of
> Office 2018, and are expected to be phased out altogether in
> the next version"

They've been wanting to do that for years! I remember posting loads of stuff 
on the newsgroup years ago complaining about Micro$oft's obvious wish to 
move into the "rented operating system" and "rented software" business. I 
remember specifically suggesting that they would move like wildfire into the 
"pay per document" business if they ever got the micro payments system 
properly off the ground. Well, "the Cloud" is clearly where they want us to 
go today and its lucrative "targeted advertising" revenue is the nearest 
thing to "pay per document" that they've managed to got (so far!).

Mike

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#1418

"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:julpc7$u87$1@dont-email.me...
> "Clive Lumb" <clumb2@gratui_en_anglais.fr.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:500e57b6$0$6451$426a74cc@news.free.fr...

> They've been wanting to do that for years! I remember posting loads of 
> stuff on the newsgroup years ago complaining about Micro$oft's obvious 
> wish to move into the "rented operating system"

That perhaps could not be too bad idea after all.

We are facing many problems because MS is looking for a way to survive. To 
do that, they make new OS versions that carry a lot of problems, all because 
they are focused in selling something new.

It could be much better if they were focused in fixing what they have 
already done, and making improvements and enhancements to what it's already 
working.

But, how can they get paid? A two years subscription period wouldn't be too 
bad idea after all. 

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#1419

| We are facing many problems because MS is looking for a way to survive.

??!! Microsoft continues to make gobs of money they don't
deserve. Windows, MS Office are overpriced monopoly
products that provide nearly all of the profit, with a bit
coming from X-Box. The rest of their efforts are money-losing
experiments, with billions that they can afford to waste.
MS has never profited from their online ventures.

| It could be much better if they were focused in fixing what they have
| already done

  That won't happen, no matter what the venue. Microsoft
is focused on prying your money out of your wallet. Period. 

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#1421

"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> escribió en el mensaje 
news:jumaf4$vhh$1@dont-email.me...
>| We are facing many problems because MS is looking for a way to survive.
>
> ??!! Microsoft continues to make gobs of money they don't
> deserve. Windows, MS Office are overpriced monopoly
> products that provide nearly all of the profit, with a bit
> coming from X-Box. The rest of their efforts are money-losing
> experiments, with billions that they can afford to waste.
> MS has never profited from their online ventures.

I'm not talking about a suscription to something online.
I'm talking about a suscription to updates, patchs, new features, service, 
etc, to ensure that your OS is all right.

I mean: not to sell the OS, just rent it.

> | It could be much better if they were focused in fixing what they have
> | already done
>
>  That won't happen, no matter what the venue. Microsoft
> is focused on prying your money out of your wallet. Period.

Yes, that's why I'm talking that _perhaps_ a subscription scheme would had 
been less harmful.

So they wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel every two years to sell new 
licenses, and just focus on what the people really need. 

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#1425

Eduardo formulated on Tuesday :
> Yes, that's why I'm talking that _perhaps_ a subscription scheme would had 
> been less harmful.
>
> So they wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel every two years to sell new 
> licenses, and just focus on what the people really need.

Actually, that's a damned insightful way to look at it.  A subscription 
model /could/ shift their focus away from breaking stuff, towards 
making damned sure it never broke.  Hmmmm...

Probably not while Ballmer's still there, but still...

-- 
.NET: It's About Trust!
http://vfred.mvps.org

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#1426

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió en el mensaje 
news:jumtlt$v1d$1@dont-email.me...
> Eduardo formulated on Tuesday :
>> Yes, that's why I'm talking that _perhaps_ a subscription scheme would 
>> had been less harmful.
>>
>> So they wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel every two years to sell new 
>> licenses, and just focus on what the people really need.
>
> Actually, that's a damned insightful way to look at it.  A subscription 
> model /could/ shift their focus away from breaking stuff, towards making 
> damned sure it never broke.  Hmmmm...

I didn't analyze it too much, it was just an idea because having everything 
new every few years and making old things not compatible is a real problem. 
It's a problem for us and for a lot of people.

> Probably not while Ballmer's still there, but still...

I was thinking today that when Gates was in MS, the things went much better. 

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#1427

Eduardo formulated on Tuesday :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió...
>> Eduardo formulated on Tuesday :
>>> Yes, that's why I'm talking that _perhaps_ a subscription scheme would had 
>>> been less harmful.
>>>
>>> So they wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel every two years to sell new 
>>> licenses, and just focus on what the people really need.
>>
>> Actually, that's a damned insightful way to look at it.  A subscription 
>> model /could/ shift their focus away from breaking stuff, towards making 
>> damned sure it never broke.  Hmmmm...
>
> I didn't analyze it too much, it was just an idea because having everything 
> new every few years and making old things not compatible is a real problem. 
> It's a problem for us and for a lot of people.

Yep!

>> Probably not while Ballmer's still there, but still...
>
> I was thinking today that when Gates was in MS, the things went much better.

Don't have to think too hard about it.  Just look at this:

http://classicvb.net/images/BallmerCEO.gif

-- 
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http://vfred.mvps.org

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#1431

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió en el mensaje 
news:jun4l7$bs8$1@dont-email.me...

> Don't have to think too hard about it.  Just look at this:
>
> http://classicvb.net/images/BallmerCEO.gif

Gates has still "authority" to be able to go back if he wants? 

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#1432

After serious thinking Eduardo wrote :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió...
>
>> Don't have to think too hard about it.  Just look at this:
>>
>> http://classicvb.net/images/BallmerCEO.gif
>
> Gates has still "authority" to be able to go back if he wants?

I have no idea, actually, but I'm pretty sure he has no interest.

-- 
.NET: It's About Trust!
http://vfred.mvps.org

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#1438

"Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
news:juncim$d74$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió en el mensaje 
> news:jun4l7$bs8$1@dont-email.me...
>
>> Don't have to think too hard about it.  Just look at this:
>>
>> http://classicvb.net/images/BallmerCEO.gif
>
> Gates has still "authority" to be able to go back if he wants?

I think Gates saw the writing on the wall and decided to ditch a sinking 
ship before he went down with it. Wise move. He clearly has no intention of 
ever going back . . . unless of course something happens in the future which 
looks likely to send the stocks soaring again, at which point Gates might 
change his mind so that he can go back just as the turnaround is beginning 
and then pretend he did it all himself.

Mike

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#1440

"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:juo21h$std$1@dont-email.me...
> "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
> news:juncim$d74$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> escribió en el mensaje 
>> news:jun4l7$bs8$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> Don't have to think too hard about it.  Just look at this:
>>>
>>> http://classicvb.net/images/BallmerCEO.gif
>>
>> Gates has still "authority" to be able to go back if he wants?
>
> I think Gates saw the writing on the wall and decided to ditch a sinking 
> ship before he went down with it. Wise move. He clearly has no intention 
> of ever going back . . . unless of course something happens in the future 
> which looks likely to send the stocks soaring again, at which point Gates 
> might change his mind so that he can go back just as the turnaround is 
> beginning and then pretend he did it all himself.

May be, or may be that he saw he had enough money for several generations 
already and He didn't need to work any more, and as a personal achievement 
he already reached the goal of putting his Windows in almost every PC in the 
world, so He decided to do something else.

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#1443

"Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
news:juosaq$l8o$1@speranza.aioe.org...

> May be, or may be that he saw he had enough money
> for several generations already and He didn't need to
> work any more and as a personal achievement he already
> reached the goal of putting his Windows in almost every
> PC in the world, so He decided to do something else.

He was already in that position many, many years before he retired . . . but 
he didn't go then. Like I said, I think he simply left a sinking ship before 
he and his own personal reputation went down with it.

Mike

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#1445

"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:juou9t$la8$1@dont-email.me...
> "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
> news:juosaq$l8o$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> May be, or may be that he saw he had enough money
>> for several generations already and He didn't need to
>> work any more and as a personal achievement he already
>> reached the goal of putting his Windows in almost every
>> PC in the world, so He decided to do something else.
>
> He was already in that position many, many years before he retired . . . 
> but

Right.

> he didn't go then. Like I said, I think he simply left a sinking ship 
> before he and his own personal reputation went down with it.

Makes sense. 

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#1447

"Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
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>
> . . . had enough money for several generations already
> and He didn't need to work any more, and as a personal
> achievement he already reached the goal of putting his
> Windows in almost every PC in the world, so He decided
> to do something else.

Hang on a second there, Eduardo. You are talking about Bill Gates and I 
notice that you have used the pronoun "he" with an upper case "H" at least 
twice, a mark of respect which is usually reserved for dieties. I know that 
you believe in God of course, but I wonder if there is something you are not 
telling us ;-)

Mike

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#1448

"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:jup9o7$17o$1@dont-email.me...
> "Eduardo" <mm@mm.com> wrote in message 
> news:juosaq$l8o$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> . . . had enough money for several generations already
>> and He didn't need to work any more, and as a personal
>> achievement he already reached the goal of putting his
>> Windows in almost every PC in the world, so He decided
>> to do something else.
>
> Hang on a second there, Eduardo. You are talking about Bill Gates and I 
> notice that you have used the pronoun "he" with an upper case "H" at least 
> twice, a mark of respect which is usually reserved for dieties. I know 
> that you believe in God of course, but I wonder if there is something you 
> are not telling us ;-)

I'm also surprised. One time is a typo, but two times...
I didn't do that on purpose anyway. 

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