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On Feb 27, 4:33 pm, "Auric__" <not.my.r...@email.address> wrote:
> Peter Nolan wrote:
> > Again many thanks. The bottom line is that I have probably reached the
> > limits of my own capacity to understand. I'm a humble physicist but
> > many of my crew are quite at home in the land of programming.
>
> Unless you're writing in a strictly OOP language like Java, using classes
> isn't necessary to modern programming -- they're a convenience. (As I noted
> elsewhere in this thread, I don't have any VB projects that use classes.)
> Using classes can simplify your code *if you know what you're doing*; if
> you don't, your code will be a mess.
>
> For that matter, most of my projects are no longer in VB at all. I've moved
> most of my code to either FreeBASIC (which is very similar to QuickBASIC)
> or PowerBASIC (which is only vaguely similar to MS BASICs).
>
> > I always
> > thought I could just keep going keeping up but this is not so. I'm
> > almost sure I read the Wiki you cite but got lost in all the words.
> > I will return again to this thread for as often it takes to study what
> > you have written but I'm afraid to ask another stupid question
>
> "There's no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people." Being
> unable to wrap your brain around a thing doesn't make you stupid, nor does
> asking questions about it. (I'm having problems with lambda functions in
> Lisp. That doesn't make me stupid; it makes me unable to deal with lambda
> functions. (So far... but I haven't asked for help, yet.) Although, believe
> it or not, I think that part of this very thread will help that...)
>
> > or a
> > question that I already should know the answer to before asking what a
> > class is in the first place like my asking what a property is.
>
> If you look through Usenet, you'll see that kind of question all the time.
> If you don't know the answer, then how could it be that you "should" know
> it?
>
> > I now
> > have a feel for how much more powerful the Dim statement is that I
> > gather sets up the whole thing.
> > I've learned a whole lot this time round about the dazzling
> > intelligence you have. Dazzling!
>
> Intelligence has much less practical application than you'd think.
>  -- Dilbert
>
> Trust me, while my intelligence may be higher than average, I don't put it
> to good use, "dazzling" or otherwise. ;-)
>
> > I have always noted my own limitations but I now understand more about
> > those very limitations.
>
> If you were "a teacher of physics, chemistry and applied maths", your
> intelligence likely isn't the problem.
>
> --
> oooh, flashback!

Hello Auric,

At the risk once again of saying something silly I tell you that I
find it awful hard to think using words. That is why I came to
comp.lang.basic.visual.misc to ask the question what a class is having
read wiki's and online books and so on about classes. I thought if I
saw actual code just like the code you wrote I could then invent my
own way of looking at the whole thing and write my own book! Only
joking. Imagine a rock in a field that the farmer of long ago wanted
to move aside to continue to clear space for planting. He with his
friends if needed would use say crowbars or if you go back far enough
logs of a fitting size to gradually lever the rock over to the side.
That's the kind of thing I easily understand that is in this case the
lever. I call it mechanical horse sense. However when I have to think
using words I am pretty much lost.
This comprehensive thread is now in place and there to study from now
on and who knows others will find what you have written most excellent
to read. You write:

Trust me, while my intelligence may be higher than average, I don't
put it
> to good use, "dazzling" or otherwise. ;-)

You have just put your intelligence to good use in this thread but I'm
sure you are talking about putting your intelligence to work for you
in life. I don't know if you watch the American Idol or Xfactor on TV
that are TV shows to select exceptional singers like for example Kelly
Clarkson in the States but it's becoming more clear to me now that the
truly great exponents of the art of singing like Kelly Clarkson in the
States or Leona Lewis or Alexandra Burke in the UK  are really small
or very small in number percentage wise with respect to the population
as a whole. Why is this so? I think that to be a great singer and that
is to be liked by more and more people one has to have a wide array of
talent to just produce that great exceptional sound. I believe so many
components are involved. Now take your case. I can assure you me now
speaking as a teacher of years ago, Auric, that you are exceedingly
gifted but you may just not feel like achieving this or that. One of
my first cousins, Maureen, has a beautiful daughter called Amy. They
paid me a visit not too long ago when it became clear that Amy is
actually a natural born runner who without doing any training prior to
the event just set off to complete a mini marathon. Does she now want
to dedicate her life to becoming a running superstar? The answer is
no. You could be become a superstar but you just don't have that
hungry feeling to let us say compete and if there were more peaceful
less competitive people in the world like you and Amy we would all be
much happier. Why is Kelly Clarkson now a superstar? Because she is
motivated to be so. You can take it from me that if you too had that
raw feeling that's needs satisfying you too would be what we call over
here a high flyer. It's easy for you to be just happy and trust me
again me speaking as an unfortunate who has felt pain you should be
very thankful for being the happy guy I know you are even if you are a
little annoyed that you haven't capitalised on the stunning talents
you have above others and that you know you have above others.
You write:

For that matter, most of my projects are no longer in VB at all. I've
moved
> most of my code to either FreeBASIC (which is very similar to QuickBASIC)
> or PowerBASIC (which is only vaguely similar to MS BASICs).

I'm gobsmacked. I'm not entirely sure what gobsmacked actually means
but it's probably fitting and that I now read that most of your
projects are no longer in VB I can see that VB is like a hobby to you.
Amazing!
I may just startle you at some point in the future by popping back in
to proclaim I now get what a class is. Hope springs eternal but you
know all about that.

Many thanks,

Peter.

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What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 04:02 -0800
  Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-24 14:06 +0000
    Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 03:07 -0800
      Re: What is a class? Helmut_Meukel <Helmut_Meukel@bn-hof.invalid> - 2012-02-25 14:19 +0100
      Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-25 21:26 +0000
        Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-25 18:58 -0500
          Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-25 19:39 -0500
          Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-26 03:09 +0000
            Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-25 22:35 -0500
              Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-25 22:55 -0500
                Re: What is a class? "Farnsworth" <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-02-25 23:27 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-26 01:30 -0500
                Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-26 04:41 +0000
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-25 23:05 -0600
                Re: What is a class? "Henning" <computer_hero@coldmail.com> - 2012-02-26 11:24 +0100
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-25 23:03 -0600
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-26 01:26 -0500
                Re: What is a class? "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2012-02-27 04:15 +0000
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-27 00:48 -0600
                Re: What is a class? "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-02-27 08:57 -0500
                Re: What is a class? "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2012-02-27 19:19 +0000
                Re: What is a class? "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2012-02-27 19:12 +0000
                Re: What is a class? "Bob Butler" <bob_butler@cox.invalid> - 2012-02-27 06:06 -0800
                Re: What is a class? "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2012-02-27 19:24 +0000
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 11:01 -0500
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-27 11:07 -0600
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 13:10 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-27 19:09 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 13:29 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 14:43 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-27 22:14 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 16:45 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 18:23 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-27 23:26 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-28 13:54 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-28 08:37 -0500
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-28 09:19 -0600
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-28 10:42 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-29 06:47 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-29 09:39 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-29 13:33 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-29 14:43 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-29 21:39 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-29 16:15 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Schmidt <sss@online.de> - 2012-02-29 23:20 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-28 00:16 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-27 13:26 -0500
                Re: What is a class? "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2012-02-27 19:33 +0000
                Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-27 15:50 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Helmut_Meukel <Helmut_Meukel@bn-hof.invalid> - 2012-02-26 11:02 +0100
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-26 14:23 -0500
                Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-26 17:09 -0500
            Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-25 22:21 -0600
              Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-26 04:51 +0000
                Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-25 23:10 -0600
        Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 04:11 -0800
          Re: What is a class? Helmut_Meukel <Helmut_Meukel@bn-hof.invalid> - 2012-02-26 16:37 +0100
          Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-26 18:36 +0000
            Re: What is a class? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2012-02-26 14:11 -0600
            Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-27 03:11 -0800
              Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-27 16:33 +0000
                Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-27 13:33 -0500
                Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-28 04:07 -0800
    Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 03:33 -0800
    Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 04:19 -0800
  Re: What is a class? "Ivar" <ivar.ekstromer000@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-24 15:15 +0000
    Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-24 14:52 -0500
      Re: What is a class? "Ivar" <ivar.ekstromer000@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-24 23:10 +0000
        Re: What is a class? GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-24 19:46 -0500
          Re: What is a class Way off Topic "Ivar" <ivar.ekstromer000@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-25 02:20 +0000
            Re: What is a class Way off Topic GS <gs@somewhere.net> - 2012-02-25 16:57 -0500
        Re: What is a class? Helmut_Meukel <Helmut_Meukel@bn-hof.invalid> - 2012-02-25 11:36 +0100
    Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 03:35 -0800
  Re: What is a class? Jim Mack <no-uce-ube@mdxi.com> - 2012-02-24 15:23 -0500
    Re: What is a class? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2012-02-25 01:33 +0000
    Re: What is a class? Peter Nolan <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 03:09 -0800
  Re: What is a class? "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2012-02-24 20:05 -0500

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