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  Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2015-10-21 15:19 +0000
    Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2015-10-22 09:17 +1300
      Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Agi <ariley@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 07:11 -0700
        Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2015-10-22 16:17 +0000
    Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-22 09:38 +1300
      Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2015-10-21 22:53 +0000
        Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-21 23:19 +0000
        Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Howard Schlossberg <howard@nospam.fmprosolutions.com> - 2015-10-21 21:31 -0700
    Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS borgobello-NO@SPAM-alice.it (Aladino) - 2015-10-22 09:31 +0200
    Re: Which FMP version does work on which MacOS Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-10-28 12:34 -0400

#2433 — Which FMP version does work on which MacOS

Hi all,

I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

I do find e.g. 
<http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>

which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
... so far the filemaker.com info

Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?


Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
.xls export.

- Martin

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#2434

In article <slrnn2fb7o.f5v.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11
> 
> Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?
> 
> I do find e.g. 
>
> <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-ea
> rlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>
> 
> which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9
> 
> MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...
> 
> No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.
> 
> FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
> ... so far the filemaker.com info
> 
> Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?
> 
> 
> Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
> There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
> .xls export.

It's no use to you, but for the sake of completion, I know FileMaker
4.1 has an annoying issue when running under Classic in Mac OS X 10.1
and 10.2 - in Layout mode dragging a field or object to a new position
will duplicate it instead of just move it.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#2440

For security and compatibility issues (aside from the great new features) it is recommended to keep up-to-date.

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#2441

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:11:18 -0700 (PDT), Agi wrote:
>  For security and compatibility issues (aside from the great new features) it is recommended to keep up-to-date.

For security issues a company should provide updates, as Apple does for
its OS.

For compatibility, a well programmed software should not have many
issues or the issues should be fixed.

Unfortunately, FMP gives different priorities as to what should be
fixed.

For example they had their own hack to show fonts and text properly -
which severely broke with one of the updates. FMP7 and 10.3/4? 
They fixed some of it, now having usable fonts again. But from then on
the line spacing was broken und remained broken.

And for the "great new features" - there are non which I would be
looking for. That's why I sticked to FMP3 for ages and now do for FMP11.

Clearly FMP has a perfectly different focus as to what I do expect from
a database - both on the top side (such as tracking of data entry,
reversability, security) and the customer side (such as multi cell
copy/paste).

I do get somd great new features which are a pain in the a... 
Instand resort on editing could be nice for some, but is a horror for my
daily work. Such a significant change should be a revertable option.

So your interests obviously may be different to mine - but it may show
why the always latest update is not necessarily what I do look for.

- Martin

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#2435

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11
> 
> Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system
requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.

After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and
publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.

In most cases, they do not test earlier versions, so the only
information you have to go on is anecdotal reports as to whether an
older version works on a later system (and that may depend on exactly
which features each person is using).

In some cases, specific issues with older versions on newer systems are
consistent enough that they can become general knowledge, e.g. FileMaker
Pro 8.5's print dialog crashes on recent OS X versions when you try to
print (I'd have to search to find the details for when it started), but
there is a workaround via Save to PDF.

> I do find e.g.
> <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-an
> d-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>
> 
> which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

The table says that, but the text at the top explains it more clearly
(and still got it wrong):

"Pre FileMaker 11 version of FileMaker have not been tested or certified
with Mac OS X Mavericks.  These products were developed and released
before Mac OS X v10.9 Mavericks became available.

While these earlier versions may install and run on Mac OS X v10.9
Mavericks, you may encounter installation and stability issues for which
there is no resolution. "

The table's "Not Compatible" really means "Not Tested". Furthermore, the
first sentence's "Pre FileMaker 11" should read "Pre FileMaker 12", or
"FileMaker versions 11 and earlier". They didn't test version 11 either.

I can say that a friend and I have been succesfully using FileMaker Pro
11 on OS X 10.9 and 10.10, apart from some cosmetic user interface
issues on a retina display (startup splash screen shows a quarter of it
enlarged 2x), and it unnecessarily activates the dedicated GPU on a
MacBook Pro (which doesn't happen in version 12 and later).

Our usage is relatively light so there may be areas which don't work
which we haven't run into.

My friend has upgraded to OS X 10.11 and is still using FileMaker Pro
11, but so far I've only done a brief test on 10.11. I'm intending to
upgrade us to version 14 once it settles down.

> MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

12.0v5 is when they fixed specific compatibility issues in FileMaker 12
for OS X 10.9. Prior to that there may have been known issues, but I
don't recall the specifics and the obvious document doesn't list them.

> No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

Not quite, 14.0.3 still has some known issues. It fixed the most serious
compatibility problems (including crashes).

http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/15187/~/filemaker-14-platform-and-os-x-el-capitan

These sorts of lists may have clues for areas to do your own testing in
earlier versions.

Some of the experienced developers on the FileMaker Community are still
avoiding version 14, preferring to stick to 13.

> FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
> ... so far the filemaker.com info
> 
> Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?

Java is an issue for FileMaker Server (specifically its management
console) but isn't used by FileMaker Pro/Advanced.

> Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
> There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
> .xls export.

Evidence suggests that XLS export was implemented by a third party
library which FM Inc. licensed, which used PowerPC code and was never
updated to Intel/Universal code, therefore can't run on OS X 10.7 or
later.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#2436

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:38:20 +1300, David Empson wrote:
>  Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11
> > 
> > Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?
> 
>  Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system
>  requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
>  known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.
> 
>  After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
>  latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and
>  publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
>  updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.

It's a pity that a database company is not able to provide a bug
tracking database where to find what does work where - but that's more
specific for open source apps than for commercial tools

I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
what does work or not

>  In most cases, they do not test earlier versions, so the only
>  information you have to go on is anecdotal reports as to whether an
>  older version works on a later system (and that may depend on exactly
>  which features each person is using).

As for most companies, they just want to sell their latest software.
Backwards tests just cost time and money while it will not provide new
customers.

However, with the latest speed of Apple to provide new and updated MacOS
versions, I do hesitate more and more to change the system, risking that
essential programs will no longer work

I sticked to 10.4, to 10.6 for a rather long time - not to speak of
MacOS7, while I skipped MacOS 8, 9, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2

> > which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9
> 
>  The table says that, but the text at the top explains it more clearly
>  (and still got it wrong):

yes, does not make me very comfortable


>  My friend has upgraded to OS X 10.11 and is still using FileMaker Pro
>  11, but so far I've only done a brief test on 10.11. I'm intending to
>  upgrade us to version 14 once it settles down.

Good to know that 10.11 could be ok

Thanks,
Martin

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#2437

Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:38:20 +1300, David Empson wrote:
>> Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11
>>> 
>>> Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?
>> 
>> Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system
>> requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
>> known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.
>> 
>> After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
>> latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and
>> publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
>> updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.
> 
> It's a pity that a database company is not able to provide a bug
> tracking database where to find what does work where - but that's more
> specific for open source apps than for commercial tools
> 
> I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
> theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
> what does work or not

That exists:

<http://roaringapps.com/apps>

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR 

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#2438

On 10/21/2015 3:53 PM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
> theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
> what does work or not

There is such a discussion (and related database maintained by one of 
the moderators, PhilModJunk) at 
https://community.filemaker.com/community/discussions/report-an-issue

The list is closely monitored by 2-3 FileMaker tech support engineers 
who actively respond to issues and follow-up info and tests from others.

Howard

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#2439

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...
I use (no so much, in the last times) FMA 9 and FMP 11 on OS X 10.9, and
didn't have any issue for wath I do.

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#2450

On 10/21/15 11:19 a, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11
>
> Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?
>
> I do find e.g.
> <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>
>
> which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

FMP Adv v11.0.4 runs fine on 10.9.5 for me.

> MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...
>
> No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.
>
> FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
> ... so far the filemaker.com info
>
> Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?
>
>
> Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
> There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
> .xls export.

Macintouch has some useful discussions about FMP and both 10.10 & 10.11:

Yosemite
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/yosemite/topic5009-001.html#d20oct2014>

El Capitan
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/elcapitan/index.html#d15oct2015>

Just do a search for 'filemaker' on the pages to find the entries.

(The links above are the starting points. You may have to go back to the 
top of a page to get to the next group of pages. True for Yosemite, not 
yet for El Capitan.)

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