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| From | Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> |
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| Subject | Re: Are there "compiler generators"? |
| Date | Mon, 30 May 2022 20:20:44 -0000 (UTC) |
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On 2022-05-28, Roger L Costello <costello@mitre.org> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > There are lexer generators. Flex is a lexer generator. > > There are parser generators. Bison is a parser generator. > > Are there compiler generators? Writing a compiler isn't something that, as a whole, requires code generation. The reason is that the bulk of it can be handled by libraries. Say you want to write a working compiler with minimal effort. You have some input syntax and so for that there is scanner and parser generation with which you write your front end. What helps you avoid writing the middle, and the back-end from scratch? More code generation of some kind? Quite simply, some compiler construction components which have API's that you use. Ideally speaking, here is something like how it goes: in your parser's actions, you use the API's to generate the right intermediate representation of the code, and then hand it off to some function that handles the remaining processing. The resulting compiler then fits into an existing toolchain framework as a first-class citizen. There isn't any part of that process which screams "this needs code generation". Really, doing the pattern matching to handle your source syntax and translate it into the intermediate representation is the main part of the system that benefits from code generation, and that's about it. What could help you would be a specialized parser construction language which has some constructs that can be used in the actions to ease the translations to the intermediate form. That would then be closer to a "compiler generator", perhaps: something that not only writes the parser, where you write procedural code for every phrase structure rule, but something which has a rewrite notation that lets write the source->intermediate translation scheme declaratively, using higher level concepts from that particular intermediate rep, rather than, say, low C language calls into its API. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
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