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| Started by | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| First post | 2024-09-13 20:51 +0100 |
| Last post | 2024-09-18 17:00 +0000 |
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Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-13 20:51 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-13 23:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-14 07:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 00:06 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-14 22:49 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 11:22 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-16 23:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-17 10:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 19:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 00:50 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-15 00:42 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 03:51 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-17 23:30 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 23:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 00:44 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 00:57 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 01:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 13:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 14:37 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:50 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:00 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 19:01 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 18:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 08:52 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:21 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:32 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 14:54 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 22:11 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 01:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 18:43 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 01:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:28 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:16 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:24 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 21:12 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-21 13:54 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:26 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 20:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-21 18:49 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 20:58 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 07:44 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:07 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 15:37 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:55 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 21:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 20:53 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 01:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-23 10:53 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-23 21:39 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture BGB-Alt <bohannonindustriesllc@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 16:00 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 03:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 05:42 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:49 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:46 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 20:59 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:35 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:19 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:32 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:46 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:47 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 00:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:48 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:03 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 20:07 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:51 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-24 07:50 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:14 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-24 15:45 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 00:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 17:58 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-10-03 10:25 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:49 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-24 11:45 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-23 11:33 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:25 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:24 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:29 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 10:34 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:44 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:43 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 18:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:37 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-23 16:30 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:46 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:04 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 16:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 22:54 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 00:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 04:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-19 14:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:01 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 09:26 +0200
Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-19 09:00 +0100
Re: Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 11:10 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 12:54 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:14 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-20 09:55 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:33 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 13:19 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:46 +0000
Local (predictive?) echoing (was: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 10:57 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:16 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:38 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 20:17 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 15:39 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 22:58 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:29 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 22:06 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-22 12:46 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:34 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:09 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 20:06 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:37 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 00:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 04:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 06:52 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:13 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 02:21 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:16 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:18 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:12 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:50 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:09 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 16:58 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 15:06 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:10 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 00:34 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 21:51 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:44 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 17:50 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:51 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:36 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 03:41 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 15:21 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 18:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 22:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 20:20 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 05:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 20:09 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 10:44 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:43 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 16:25 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-19 19:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-19 19:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 00:15 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-20 05:46 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:37 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:18 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 15:21 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 19:10 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 11:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-23 11:44 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-24 08:14 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-24 10:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-20 14:24 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:29 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 18:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:06 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 03:17 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 20:30 -0700
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Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:05 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-24 10:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 17:17 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 20:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:15 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 14:11 -0700
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 12:17 -0700
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:33 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-24 17:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 18:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:16 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:38 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 18:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 21:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-11-04 09:43 +0100
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-04 15:51 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 14:02 +0200
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Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 10:41 +0200
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Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:18 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 20:57 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:45 +0000
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Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:46 +0000
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Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-18 16:28 +0000
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 10:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vd0glf$3jvuc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109183 |
On 24/09/2024 22:33, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: > >> >> I am on the black holes don’t exist list, at smaller than at the center >> of a galaxy. >> >> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force that >> keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that such talk >> is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. > > Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is > stronger > than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons away from each > other and the protons. > > It is possible that there is some kind of (as yet non-understood) force > that prevent a black holes complete collapse into a point--erasing all > visible aspects other than mass, charge, and spin. > > It is just that our understanding of physics does not include such a > force. > There are quite a lot of other forces and effects fighting against the collapse. These are often viewed as "pressure". Electron pressure prevents neutron stars from forming until you have at least 1.4 solar masses. Beyond that, there is the pressure from the strong force holding neutrons together, effects from the uncertainty principle, the Pauli exclusion principle, and various quark effects. These are not beyond our current understanding, but some of these degenerate matter states have not been observed. We have /some/ data about the inside of neutron stars, but it is limited. AFAIK we have not seen anything that is definitely more collapsed than a neutron star, but definitely not a black hole - quark stars, strange stars, and the like are hypothetical for now. But it is entirely plausible that there are other limits to compression that we don't as yet know about and that would prevent a singularity even for huge masses. However, AFAIK (and my knowledge here is amateur) it does not make an observable difference if there is such a force or pressure preventing singularities. Once you have reached the point where the object is smaller than its Schwarzchild radius (ignoring angular momentum for simplicity) then no information can escape from the object to the outside universe. From outside the event horizon, you see the mass, charge and angular momentum - nothing else, regardless of what things are like inside the event horizon. > Finally note: An electron can be modeled in QCD as if it were a black > hole with the mass, charge, and spin of an electron. ...
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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 07:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <86bk074ywa.fsf@linuxsc.com> |
| In reply to | #109183 |
mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: > >> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >> center of a galaxy. >> >> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >> understand. Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? > Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is > stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons > away from each other and the protons. Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or electrons. > It is possible that there is some kind of (as yet non-understood) > force that prevent a black holes complete collapse into a > point--erasing all visible aspects other than mass, charge, and > spin. > > It is just that our understanding of physics does not include such > a force. Somewhere inside the event horizon of a black hole there is a discontinuity in space-time. It isn't clear what distance even means in the vicinity of such a discontinuity. The "size" of a black hole might be identified as the radius of the event horizon, since there is no way of looking inside the event horizon. The radius of a black hole's event horizon is an increasing function of the mass of the black hole. (My memory tells me that the radius is a linear function of the mass, but that should not be taken as reliable.) Either the Earth or the Sun would have (if it were a black hole) an event horizon radius of more than one millimeter, but that statement too is a product of my not-always-reliable memory. > Finally note: An electron can be modeled in QCD as if it were a > black hole with the mass, charge, and spin of an electron. ... Electrons are color neutral. As far as QCD is concerned (since QCD is only about the strong force, i.e. the color field), electrons are invisible. (Disclaimer: to the best of my understanding; I am not a physicist.)
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 17:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vd983a$1a3m9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109251 |
On 28/09/2024 16:48, Tim Rentsch wrote: > mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: > <snip stuff that seems fine to me> > > The "size" of a black hole might be identified as the radius of > the event horizon, since there is no way of looking inside the > event horizon. The radius of a black hole's event horizon is an > increasing function of the mass of the black hole. (My memory > tells me that the radius is a linear function of the mass, but > that should not be taken as reliable.) Your memory is correct (at least when angular momentum and charge are ignored) - the Schwarzchild radius is 2Gm/c². > Either the Earth or the > Sun would have (if it were a black hole) an event horizon radius > of more than one millimeter, but that statement too is a product > of my not-always-reliable memory. > For the Earth, it's about 9mm and for the Sun, around 3 km. So yes, both over 1 mm. > >> Finally note: An electron can be modeled in QCD as if it were a >> black hole with the mass, charge, and spin of an electron. ... > > Electrons are color neutral. As far as QCD is concerned (since > QCD is only about the strong force, i.e. the color field), > electrons are invisible. (Disclaimer: to the best of my > understanding; I am not a physicist.) Perhaps he meant QED, rather than QCD.
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| From | EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 13:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7UWJO.179375$WXO8.64396@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #109251 |
Tim Rentsch wrote: > mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: > >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: >> >>> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >>> center of a galaxy. >>> >>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >>> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >>> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >>> understand. > > Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, > George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, > Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? > >> Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is >> stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons >> away from each other and the protons. > > Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity > is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each > other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this > recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down > quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), > and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the > energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up > quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two > down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all > the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, > consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or > electrons. Neutron stars exist in the region where the mass is high enough to overcome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure that prevents the collapse of a white dwarf, and below the mass of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit where https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy pressure prevents its collapse to a black hole. What I see from a quicky search, the maximum spin rate for a neutron star is thought to be 760 Hz, above which magnetic coupling to surrounding matter and/or relativistic effects radiate away angular momentum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Spin_down The previously referenced PSR J1748−2446ad spins at 716 Hz and at that spin rate the surface of the neutron star is moving at approx 25% of the speed of light. Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular momentum of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. So just a guess but spinning doesn't look like it should stop black hole collapse if the mass gets too high. But that math is above my pay grade.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 19:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vd9k77$1cbid$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109257 |
EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote: > Tim Rentsch wrote: >> mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: >>> >>>> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >>>> center of a galaxy. >>>> >>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >>>> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >>>> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >>>> understand. >> >> Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, >> George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, >> Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? >> >>> Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is >>> stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons >>> away from each other and the protons. >> >> Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity >> is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each >> other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this >> recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down >> quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), >> and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the >> energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up >> quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two >> down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all >> the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, >> consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or >> electrons. > > Neutron stars exist in the region where the mass is high enough to overcome > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure > that prevents the collapse of a white dwarf, and below the mass of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit > where > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy > pressure prevents its collapse to a black hole. > > What I see from a quicky search, the maximum spin rate for a neutron star > is thought to be 760 Hz, above which magnetic coupling to surrounding > matter and/or relativistic effects radiate away angular momentum. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Spin_down > > The previously referenced PSR J1748−2446ad spins at 716 Hz and at that > spin rate the surface of the neutron star is moving at approx 25% of > the speed of light. > > Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular momentum > of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. > So just a guess but spinning doesn't look like it should stop > black hole collapse if the mass gets too high. > But that math is above my pay grade. That is an excellent summary of the much improved wiki page on Neutron Stars, and I appreciate it. Thank you. I actually kind of like that theory now that I understand it. But it comes from government research, and our government is a bunch of habitual liars, and valid nuclear theory is too dangerous for peasants to know. Go take a look at the Structures Atom Model and tell me what you think. https://structuredatom.org
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 01:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdaa85$1facd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109263 |
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 19:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > But it comes from government research, and our government is a bunch of > habitual liars ... Who is this “our” government? There are research labs all over the world (some even in private hands), keeping tabs on each other’s work. If somebody were lying about some result, it wouldn’t take long before the others discovered this.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 13:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vde1na$26pck$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109268 |
On 29/09/2024 03:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 19:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > >> But it comes from government research, and our government is a bunch of >> habitual liars ... > > Who is this “our” government? There are research labs all over the world > (some even in private hands), keeping tabs on each other’s work. If > somebody were lying about some result, it wouldn’t take long before the > others discovered this. And even if Brett's government - wherever that is - really are "habitual liars", none of this kind of thing is "government research". Some of it is "government-funded research", which is entirely different. National governments often provide the funds (directly, or indirectly such as by funding universities) for for pure science research, but the science is long-running and outlasts any particular government. It's pure paranoid delusion and conspiracy theory - "they" are hiding the "truth" from us.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 01:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdaa59$1facd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109257 |
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:16:08 -0400, EricP wrote: > Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular momentum > of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. Not quite. Gravity goes down as you approach the centre of mass. Gauss’ Theorem says that the attraction of all the mass that is further away from the centre than you, in all directions, tends to cancel out. Pressure still goes up as you approach the centre, yes.
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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 19:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <86zfnr2o4w.fsf@linuxsc.com> |
| In reply to | #109257 |
EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> writes: > Tim Rentsch wrote: > >> mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: >>> >>>> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >>>> center of a galaxy. >>>> >>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >>>> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >>>> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >>>> understand. >> >> Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, >> George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, >> Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? >> >>> Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is >>> stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons >>> away from each other and the protons. >> >> Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity >> is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each >> other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this >> recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down >> quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), >> and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the >> energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up >> quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two >> down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all >> the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, >> consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or >> electrons. > > Neutron stars exist in the region where the mass is high enough to > overcome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure > that prevents the collapse of a white dwarf, and below the mass of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit > where > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy > pressure prevents its collapse to a black hole. Right, but the question is how does a white dwarf transition to a neutron star when its gravity gets too large? That is what I was trying to explain above: white dwarfs do have electrons and protons, but neutron stars mostly don't - my understanding is that the electrons and protons in a white dwarf combine to form neutrons, to turn it into a neutron star, and I was trying to describe a way that could happen. > What I see from a quicky search, the maximum spin rate for a neutron > star is thought to be 760 Hz, above which magnetic coupling to > surrounding matter and/or relativistic effects radiate away angular > momentum. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Spin_down > > The previously referenced PSR J17482446ad spins at 716 Hz and at > that spin rate the surface of the neutron star is moving at approx > 25% of the speed of light. That's amusing. :) > Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular > momentum of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. > So just a guess but spinning doesn't look like it should stop > black hole collapse if the mass gets too high. > But that math is above my pay grade. As mass increases and gravity goes up eventually even just the tidal forces of the gravity will be enough to turn the neutrons into a quark-gluon plasma. So collapse seems inevitable. The question is only how much mass is needed to make the collapse happen.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 21:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vdamah$1kg7i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109274 |
On 9/28/2024 7:24 PM, Tim Rentsch wrote: > EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> writes: > >> Tim Rentsch wrote: >> >>> mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >>>>> center of a galaxy. >>>>> >>>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >>>>> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >>>>> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >>>>> understand. >>> >>> Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, >>> George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, >>> Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? >>> >>>> Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is >>>> stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons >>>> away from each other and the protons. >>> >>> Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity >>> is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each >>> other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this >>> recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down >>> quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), >>> and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the >>> energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up >>> quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two >>> down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all >>> the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, >>> consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or >>> electrons. >> >> Neutron stars exist in the region where the mass is high enough to >> overcome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure >> that prevents the collapse of a white dwarf, and below the mass of >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >> Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit >> where >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy >> pressure prevents its collapse to a black hole. > > Right, but the question is how does a white dwarf transition to a > neutron star when its gravity gets too large? That is what I > was trying to explain above: white dwarfs do have electrons and > protons, but neutron stars mostly don't - my understanding is > that the electrons and protons in a white dwarf combine to form > neutrons, to turn it into a neutron star, and I was trying to > describe a way that could happen. > >> What I see from a quicky search, the maximum spin rate for a neutron >> star is thought to be 760 Hz, above which magnetic coupling to >> surrounding matter and/or relativistic effects radiate away angular >> momentum. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Spin_down >> >> The previously referenced PSR J17482446ad spins at 716 Hz and at >> that spin rate the surface of the neutron star is moving at approx >> 25% of the speed of light. > > That's amusing. :) > >> Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular >> momentum of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. >> So just a guess but spinning doesn't look like it should stop >> black hole collapse if the mass gets too high. >> But that math is above my pay grade. > > As mass increases and gravity goes up eventually even just the > tidal forces of the gravity will be enough to turn the neutrons > into a quark-gluon plasma. So collapse seems inevitable. The > question is only how much mass is needed to make the collapse > happen. Humm... I don't know how much iron it takes to cause things to collapse into a black hole.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 13:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vdbff2$1o0lg$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109257 |
On 28/09/2024 19:16, EricP wrote: > Tim Rentsch wrote: >> mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 +0000, Brett wrote: >>> >>>> I am on the black holes don't exist list, at smaller than at the >>>> center of a galaxy. >>>> >>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the >>>> force that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than >>>> gravity that such talk is just fools playing with math they don't >>>> understand. >> >> Fools like Lev Landau, J Robert Oppenheimer, Richard Chase Tolman, >> George Volkoff, Subrahmanyan Chandresekhar, Richard Feynman, >> Stephen Hawking (and many others whose names I don't know)? >> >>> Neutron stars are are collapsed forms of matter where gravity is >>> stronger than the electro-magnetic fields holding the electrons >>> away from each other and the protons. >> >> Not exactly. Electrons and protons attract each other. The gravity >> is strong enough to get an electron and a proton close enough to each >> other so they can combine and form a neutron. My model for this >> recombination is as follows: a proton is two up quarks and a down >> quark; take an up quark (charge +2/3) and an electron (charge -1), >> and maybe a neutrino, turn them all into energy and then turn the >> energy back into a down quark (charge -1/3); so we have taken two up >> quarks and a down quark (a proton) and an electron, and gotten out two >> down quarks and an up quark (a neutron). Keep doing that until all >> the electrons and protons are used up. Result: a neutron star, >> consisting almost entirely of neutrons, and almost no protons or >> electrons. > > Neutron stars exist in the region where the mass is high enough to overcome > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure > that prevents the collapse of a white dwarf, and below the mass of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit > where > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter#Neutron_degeneracy > pressure prevents its collapse to a black hole. > > What I see from a quicky search, the maximum spin rate for a neutron star > is thought to be 760 Hz, above which magnetic coupling to surrounding > matter and/or relativistic effects radiate away angular momentum. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Spin_down > > The previously referenced PSR J1748−2446ad spins at 716 Hz and at that > spin rate the surface of the neutron star is moving at approx 25% of > the speed of light. > > Also the center of the neutron star will not have the angular momentum > of the outer edge but will have the high gravity. > So just a guess but spinning doesn't look like it should stop > black hole collapse if the mass gets too high. > But that math is above my pay grade. > It's also useful to remember that neutron stars are not structureless balls of tightly-packed neutrons, as is often imagined. They have layers of different types of degenerate matter, and it is not even really accurate to think of individual neutrons. Even the model of a neutron as one up quark and two down quarks is wrong - in some ways, it's more like a collection of a thousand or so quarks and anti-quarks with one up and two downs as valence quarks. And within a neutron star, you will get a soup as the neutron structures break down and merge. This does not make the maths any easier!
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 14:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vcva5r$3b2fp$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109181 |
On 9/24/2024 1:21 PM, Brett wrote: > Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 9/23/2024 8:17 PM, Brett wrote: >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 18:45:09 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>>> >>>>> Electric Universe >>>> >>>> Electricity without magnetism? Not even taking account of Maxwell’s >>>> unification of the electric and magnetic fields? >>> >>> >>> The standard theory is that there is no electricity in the universe due to >>> the emptiness gaps. But light creates charge, and charge attraction, and >>> discharge creates magnetic fields, and all of this far better explains >>> galactic strands than mere gravity. >>> >>> Go to the youtube Electric Universe and watch the most popular videos and >>> select play lists that interest you. >>> >>> Most of this has been known since the 1920’s, but there be dragons down >>> this path so down the pointless gravity black hole science has gone. >>> >> >> Shit man... Are we in a black hole that resided in our parent universe? >> Humm... Always wondered about that type of shit. >> > > I am on the black holes don’t exist list, at smaller than at the center of > a galaxy. When you get some free time, tell me what you think of the following doc: The Largest Black Holes in the Universe https://youtu.be/xp-8HysWkxw Its pretty good. However, it does not mention Phoenix A star. > > You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, What about the naked ones? ;^) > but the force that > keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that such talk is > just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 23:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcvjot$3co45$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109186 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:15:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, > > What about the naked ones? ;^) The term is actually “naked singularity”. The (scientifically troublesome) thing about a black hole is that it has a singularity at its heart, where the solution to Einstein’s equations of General Relativity involve a division by zero. Some say that’s not so bad, because this singularity is effectively hidden from the rest of the Universe by the surrounding swirl of high energy and matter that makes up the mass of the black hole itself. The open question is: can a singularity exist “naked” -- that is, not hidden from interacting with the rest of the Universe by a surrounding black hole? Because that would take the scariness to a whole new level.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 23:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcvji5$3co45$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109181 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force that > keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that such talk > is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) couldn’t exist either. But they do.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-25 10:43 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <20240925104320.00007791@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #109193 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > > > You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force > > that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that > > such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. > > That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly > together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) > couldn’t exist either. But they do. Radio pulsars exist. The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-27 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vd6ucn$r6hq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109201 |
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >> >>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force >>> that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that >>> such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >> >> That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly >> together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) >> couldn’t exist either. But they do. > > Radio pulsars exist. > The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong. Some of the pulsars are spinning at such a rate that they would fly apart, so we know the theory is wrong. “A pulsar (from pulsating radio source)[1][2] is a highly magnetized rotating neutron star that emits beams of electromagnetic radiation out of its magnetic poles.[3] This radiation can be observed only when a beam of emission is pointing toward Earth (similar to the way a lighthouse can be seen only when the light is pointed in the direction of an observer), and is responsible for the pulsed appearance of emission. “ This sounds like an electric motor, and if you think a galactic civilization would not turn such into a gas station, I have news for you. You can take advantage of the huge gravity to feed it oil barrel projectiles full of liquid hydrogen to feed off of the explosions for more power generation and keep the generator alive. The resulting spectrum would be artificial, but we lack the theory to understand that. A Dyson sphere compared to a pulsar looks like a comparison of a desk fan to a modern wind mill.
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| From | Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-27 23:00 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <lloh7bF3l7hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #109234 |
On 2024-09-27 21:43, Brett wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>> >>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force >>>> that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that >>>> such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >>> >>> That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly >>> together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) >>> couldn’t exist either. But they do. >> >> Radio pulsars exist. >> The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong. > > Some of the pulsars are spinning at such a rate that they would fly apart, > so we know the theory is wrong. Which pulsars are spinning too fast? Reference please!
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 02:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vd7qn5$12pr5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109236 |
Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-09-27 21:43, Brett wrote: >> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>>> >>>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force >>>>> that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that >>>>> such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >>>> >>>> That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly >>>> together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) >>>> couldn’t exist either. But they do. >>> >>> Radio pulsars exist. >>> The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong. >> >> Some of the pulsars are spinning at such a rate that they would fly apart, >> so we know the theory is wrong. > > > Which pulsars are spinning too fast? Reference please! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J1748%E2%88%922446ad#:~:text=PSR%20J1748%E2%88%922446ad%20is%20the,was%20discovered%20by%20Jason%20W.%20T. Spinning at 42,960 revolutions per minute. Took seconds for google to answer.
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| From | Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 10:07 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <llpo9uFg7lfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #109245 |
On 2024-09-28 5:47, Brett wrote: > Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote: >> On 2024-09-27 21:43, Brett wrote: >>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force >>>>>> that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that >>>>>> such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >>>>> >>>>> That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly >>>>> together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) >>>>> couldn’t exist either. But they do. >>>> >>>> Radio pulsars exist. >>>> The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong. >>> >>> Some of the pulsars are spinning at such a rate that they would fly apart, >>> so we know the theory is wrong. >> >> >> Which pulsars are spinning too fast? Reference please! > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J1748%E2%88%922446ad#:~:text=PSR%20J1748%E2%88%922446ad%20is%20the,was%20discovered%20by%20Jason%20W.%20T. > > > Spinning at 42,960 revolutions per minute. The article says it is "the fastest-spinning pulsar known", but does not say that it is spinning faster than neutron-star theories allow, so it does not support your claim. > Took seconds for google to answer. It is the wrong answer, at least for your claim.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 18:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vd9ggg$1bqb3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109248 |
Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-09-28 5:47, Brett wrote: >> Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2024-09-27 21:43, Brett wrote: >>>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:55:50 -0000 (UTC) >>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:21:53 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You hear physicists talk of microscopic black holes, but the force >>>>>>> that keeps atoms apart is so much more powerful than gravity that >>>>>>> such talk is just fools playing with math they don’t understand. >>>>>> >>>>>> That would mean that neutron stars (all the atoms crushed so tightly >>>>>> together that individual subatomic particles lose their identity) >>>>>> couldn’t exist either. But they do. >>>>> >>>>> Radio pulsars exist. >>>>> The theory is that they are neutron stars. But theory can be wrong. >>>> >>>> Some of the pulsars are spinning at such a rate that they would fly apart, >>>> so we know the theory is wrong. >>> >>> >>> Which pulsars are spinning too fast? Reference please! >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J1748%E2%88%922446ad#:~:text=PSR%20J1748%E2%88%922446ad%20is%20the,was%20discovered%20by%20Jason%20W.%20T. >> >> >> Spinning at 42,960 revolutions per minute. > > > The article says it is "the fastest-spinning pulsar known", but does not > say that it is spinning faster than neutron-star theories allow, so it > does not support your claim. > >> Took seconds for google to answer. > > It is the wrong answer, at least for your claim. Our sun spinning at 42,960 revolutions per minute would exceed the speed of light at its surface, much less be able to hold together. The theory is wrong. A better theory is leakage from a Dyson generator swarm, but no scientist could ever say such a thing in public.
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