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Tonights Tradeoff

Started byRobert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com>
First post2024-09-06 22:27 -0400
Last post2025-11-13 07:24 +0000
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  Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 22:27 -0400
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-07 14:41 +0000
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-07 23:22 -0400
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-08 18:06 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-09 23:59 -0400
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 02:00 -0500
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 10:58 -0400
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-10 16:07 -0500
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 09:54 -0400
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-11 08:48 -0700
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:32 +0000
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 23:37 -0400
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-12 16:46 +0000
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 15:28 -0400
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-12 20:46 +0000
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2024-09-13 11:08 -0400
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-13 17:09 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-11 18:44 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:30 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:28 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-12 05:37 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 03:21 -0500
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-12 06:21 -0400
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-11 21:27 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-15 03:13 -0400
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-16 01:45 -0400
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 16:03 -0400
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 20:38 +0000
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 04:13 -0400
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-26 14:11 +0000
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 08:58 -0400
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 00:04 -0400
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-04 06:19 +0000
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 11:54 -0400
                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-05 09:43 +0000
                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-09 06:44 -0400
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-09 14:43 +0000
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-09 16:19 +0000
                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-09 15:37 -0400
                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 14:10 -0500
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 05:38 -0400
                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-12 18:50 +0000
                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 15:14 -0500
                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 18:20 -0400
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-12 23:28 +0000
                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - ATOM Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-13 02:46 -0400
                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - ATOM mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-13 18:19 +0000
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-12 20:36 -0500
                                              Page fetching cache controller Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-10-31 05:18 -0400
                                                Re: Page fetching cache controller mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-31 19:11 +0000
                                                Re: Q+ Fibonacci Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2024-11-05 23:30 -0500
                                                  Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 23:42 -0400
                                                    Re: register sets Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:26 -0700
                                                      Re: register sets scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:24 -0400
                                                        Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-17 18:26 +0000
                                                          Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 21:56 -0400
                                                            Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-18 17:12 +0000
                                                              Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 02:44 -0400
                                                                Re: auto predicating branches Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:26 -0400
                                                                  Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-21 06:05 +0000
                                                                    Is an instruction on the critical path? (was: auto predicating branches) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-21 13:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-21 17:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-22 05:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-22 11:23 -0400
                                                                          Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-22 17:31 +0000
                                                                            Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-22 22:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: auto predicating branches Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-22 22:59 -0400
                                                                                Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-23 18:09 +0000
                                                                                  Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 10:10 -0400
                                                                                    Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-25 20:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 09:47 -0400
                                                                              Re: auto predicating branches anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-04-23 17:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-23 21:34 +0000
                                                                                  Re: asynch register rename Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 23:31 -0400
                                                                                    Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:36 -0400
                                                                                      Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-27 20:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 22:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-28 10:06 -0400
                                                                                            Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-28 10:50 -0400
                                                                                            Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 22:35 -0400
                                                                                              Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-29 21:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 01:21 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: fractional PCs Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-04-30 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 19:00 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-02 11:18 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 17:03 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: fractional PCs EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-02 13:22 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 20:01 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: millicode, extracode, fractional PCs John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-02 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: millicode, extracode, fractional PCs moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 20:00 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-30 19:04 +0000
                                                                                          Re: fractional PCs mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-28 22:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: fractional PCs Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 22:00 -0400
                                                                                              Re: control co-processor Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: control co-processor Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-05 03:01 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: control co-processor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: control co-processor Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-05 10:02 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: control co-processor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 16:19 +0000
                                                                                                        Scan chains (was: control co-processor) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-06 23:12 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Scan chains (was: control co-processor) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-06 21:08 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Scan chains Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-07 10:58 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-07 16:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Scan chains Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-07 15:03 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-08 01:04 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Scan chains mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:21 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-06 22:17 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: control co-processor EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-06 19:58 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-07 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: control co-processor mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-25 13:19 -0400
                                                                            Re: auto predicating branches EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-04-24 08:54 -0400
                                                                        Re: auto predicating branches mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-22 16:45 +0000
                                                        Re: register sets John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 04:56 +0000
                                                          Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:16 +0000
                                                            Re: register sets Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-07-19 08:18 -0400
                                                              Re: register sets anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 16:37 +0000
                                                                Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-19 20:02 +0000
                                                    Re: register sets John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 04:49 +0000
                                                      Re: register sets scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-07-15 14:10 +0000
                                                      Re: register sets mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-15 17:14 +0000
                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Carry and Overflow EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2024-10-15 09:49 -0400
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-13 16:43 +0000
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 12:28 -0500
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Background Execution Buffers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-10-05 23:02 +0000
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 23:52 -0400
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 00:14 -0700
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:41 -0400
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:04 -0500
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-29 17:44 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0700
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-29 22:31 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:10 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 12:29 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-30 16:46 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 23:39 +0200
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-30 22:19 +0000
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-31 00:57 +0200
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0000
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:21 -0500
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 14:32 -0500
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 02:21 -0600
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 10:06 -0500
                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 14:58 -0600
                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 16:56 -0500
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 17:21 -0600
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-10-31 21:12 +0100
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:00 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-01 19:18 +0000
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 04:29 -0500
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-10-29 13:05 -0700
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:52 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:58 -0500
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:26 -0400
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:48 -0500
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-29 18:15 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:02 -0500
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:01 -0400
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-30 07:13 +0000
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 13:53 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-30 17:58 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:06 +0000
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:33 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:20 -0400
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:09 +0000
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-10-31 21:09 +0100
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-01 18:19 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-01 21:08 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 11:36 +0100
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-02 15:56 +0200
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 16:09 +0100
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-02 18:14 +0200
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-02 20:19 +0100
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-03 15:22 +0000
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:53 -0600
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-03 23:04 +0200
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-04 15:19 +0000
                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-04 17:41 +0200
                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-04 17:12 +0000
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 20:16 +0100
                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 07:47 -0800
                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 16:52 +0100
                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-04 18:54 +0200
                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 20:13 +0100
                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-04 21:07 +0000
                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 22:52 +0100
                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-05 11:18 +0200
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-05 15:42 +0100
                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-04 22:51 +0000
                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 23:43 -0600
                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 07:13 +0000
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:25 -0500
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:53 +0000
                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 17:44 +0000
                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-05 11:21 +0200
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 10:15 -0600
                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:06 +0000
                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 11:24 +0200
                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 13:11 -0600
                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 14:28 -0600
                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:57 +0000
                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 20:23 -0600
                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 22:18 -0500
                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - PI as decimal float Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 00:34 -0500
                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - PI as decimal float BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 01:30 -0600
                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 11:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 17:22 -0600
                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-10 02:12 +0000
                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 03:40 -0600
                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-10 06:30 +0000
                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 13:54 -0600
                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 00:08 +0200
                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 21:25 -0600
                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 12:02 +0200
                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:44 -0600
                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-11 14:03 +0200
                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:34 -0600
                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-12 11:47 +0200
                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 09:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-13 12:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 18:09 +0000
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:40 +0000
                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 21:50 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 20:00 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-28 02:10 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-01 17:51 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Interruptible instructions, was Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-28 04:47 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Interruptible instructions, was Tonights Tradeoff Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-01-28 07:34 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-01-28 15:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 22:31 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-05 19:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 14:35 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 18:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 21:18 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 15:51 -0600
                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-02-10 14:13 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 15:05 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-02-12 10:27 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-06 15:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 20:05 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-19 08:02 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 05:53 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-19 19:59 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 17:04 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-20 15:14 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-19 23:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-20 00:06 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-19 22:35 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-21 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 13:37 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-22 03:00 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 09:16 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: IA64 and VLIW, Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-22 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-02-22 11:51 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-22 20:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-23 01:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-23 06:55 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-23 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 and trace scheduling, Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-24 10:41 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-01 21:12 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-03 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-03-03 20:19 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 15:29 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-20 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 01:00 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 14:59 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 22:56 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 17:32 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-02-22 21:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 14:54 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 19:27 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-27 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-27 16:14 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-27 17:01 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:57 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-01 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-01 19:19 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-01 20:24 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-01 07:55 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:41 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 05:38 -0500
                                                                                                    IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-21 16:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-21 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-22 13:17 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-22 17:05 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-23 08:06 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-23 13:03 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-24 12:30 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 18:26 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 08:17 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-23 13:44 +0200
                                                                                                                large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 09:50 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 17:23 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-24 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-25 15:07 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: large binary array searches (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 18:32 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-23 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-23 10:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-24 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-24 07:51 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-25 07:33 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-26 09:08 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-02-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-02-28 10:08 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-01 21:13 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:15 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-03 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:53 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-03 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-03 11:35 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-03 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 07:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-04 15:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 20:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-04 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 14:06 -0600
                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 15:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 00:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Page size in root pointer Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Page size in root pointer MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 20:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Page size in root pointer BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Page size in root pointer Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-09 04:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Page size in root pointer Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 03:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 12:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 13:37 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 15:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 18:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 19:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 21:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-08 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-15 16:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-17 01:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-17 21:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-17 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 20:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 21:00 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-18 17:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 15:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-18 21:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 15:48 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-17 18:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 15:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 04:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-03-20 14:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-20 17:04 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 16:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-20 17:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 18:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-20 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 14:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-21 15:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 13:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 13:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-20 19:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 15:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-21 15:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-21 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-22 02:48 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-22 15:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 16:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-22 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-22 16:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-23 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-20 21:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-21 18:52 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-21 18:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-22 00:54 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-08 10:56 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-08 12:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-08 19:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 17:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-08 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  multi-bit per cell RAM (was: IA-64) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-09 08:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 14:19 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-04 18:51 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-03-05 12:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-02-28 21:49 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-02 17:12 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-03 02:34 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-04 09:22 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 07:19 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-04 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 20:25 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-04 19:38 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 21:17 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-03-04 11:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 23:48 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-07 13:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 19:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-08 08:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-08 13:15 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-08 12:36 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-04 21:07 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-04 23:35 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 12:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 12:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-07 13:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-07 19:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-07 21:21 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-05 11:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-05 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-06 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-05 08:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-05 12:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-05 17:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-05 14:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-05 19:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-05 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-03-06 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-07 15:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-03-06 11:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-03-07 16:03 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-09 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-12 21:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: GPU books? Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 01:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: GPU books? EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-16 12:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: GPU books? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 12:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: GPU books? MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 17:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-15 14:14 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-16 15:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-18 01:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-18 17:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-18 20:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-23 21:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-24 09:24 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-05 02:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 14:54 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-27 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-27 19:31 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-28 16:48 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 05:39 -0600
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-01 19:02 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 18:05 -0600
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-02 02:03 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 04:24 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-03-08 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 21:15 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-09 13:14 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-09 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-10 13:04 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-10 18:28 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-11 12:14 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-03-12 10:56 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: IA-64 (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-12 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:51 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-28 19:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-29 07:13 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-01-29 12:30 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-01-29 12:30 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-02-01 18:01 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-14 14:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 22:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 14:34 -0600
                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 21:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 00:43 +0000
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 19:17 -0600
                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 03:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-19 12:53 -0600
                                                                                Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 07:18 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:48 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-14 22:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 01:22 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 01:28 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress (was: Tonights ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 14:45 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-15 15:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 18:04 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 14:34 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:41 +0000
                                                                                      Multi-precision multiplication (was: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-15 18:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 15:00 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-15 10:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-15 07:48 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-15 18:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-16 08:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 02:49 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-17 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 08:17 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-17 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-17 20:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-17 23:35 +0200
                                                                                                        SPARC and register renaming (was: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-18 15:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: SPARC and register renaming Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 17:24 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-18 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-17 16:58 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 13:22 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 13:15 -0600
                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-18 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-18 22:25 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 07:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-25 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-26 07:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-26 12:17 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-26 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-18 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-19 01:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-19 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 08:05 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-23 16:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-23 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-23 17:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-23 20:46 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-23 22:40 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 20:39 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-28 23:06 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 09:29 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Interrupt enable down-count Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-29 07:37 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 13:28 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 19:05 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:17 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Interrupt enable down-count EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-29 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:26 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 17:45 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Interrupt enable down-count MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 23:14 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 02:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Interrupt enable down-count Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 10:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 06:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Interrupt enable down-count Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 06:41 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-29 23:37 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 14:14 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 15:47 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 22:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 00:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-06 07:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 05:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-07 03:29 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-24 18:03 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 15:18 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:33 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-30 22:38 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-30 22:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 00:12 +0000
                                                                                                                        Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-01 07:56 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-01 13:23 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-12-04 16:54 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-04 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 11:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-05 14:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 18:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-12-15 12:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-05 20:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 14:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 15:09 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-06 14:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-08 10:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 15:17 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-08 10:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 04:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-08 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-13 09:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 11:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-06 17:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-06 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-06 21:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 16:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-06 21:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 16:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 07:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-08 17:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 16:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 15:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 11:49 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-13 22:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: double alias register renaming Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 05:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: double alias register renaming MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-16 20:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 13:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-09 09:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-09 20:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-10 10:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-10 08:51 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-10 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-11 10:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-11 20:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 01:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 18:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 19:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-12 21:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-12 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 14:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-12 13:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 15:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-12 16:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: instruction ordering, was Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 21:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-11 23:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-12-12 08:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 15:00 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-12-09 13:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-09 22:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-08 20:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-07 09:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-07 16:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-07 16:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-12-07 12:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 15:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 16:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 15:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 14:51 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-07 17:48 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-12-01 14:07 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Memory ordering (Re: Multi-precision addition ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-01 22:50 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Unaligned Memory Access Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 07:10 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-12-02 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-12-02 19:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Unaligned Memory Access Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 21:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Unaligned Memory Access Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 18:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Hardware hardware interrupt Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 01:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Unaligned Memory Access quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-03-09 03:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Unaligned Memory Access Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-03-09 11:05 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Unaligned Memory Access John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-10 06:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 17:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Unaligned Memory Access Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-13 07:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-13 16:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Unaligned Memory Access Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-14 19:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 23:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Float multiplies Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 16:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Float multiplies MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Float multiplies Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 01:31 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Float multiplies BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 04:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Unaligned Memory Access anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-14 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-15 14:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-15 17:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Unaligned stores (was: Unaligned Memory Access) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-16 15:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Unaligned Memory Access Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-16 18:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-17 17:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Unaligned Memory Access BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 16:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 00:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-11 16:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 12:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Unaligned Memory Access MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Unaligned Memory Access scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-11 21:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-03-14 16:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Unaligned Memory Access "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 12:38 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Multi-precision addition and architectural progress anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-20 07:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-14 15:57 +0100
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 14:39 -0600
                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-13 19:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-21 15:31 +0200
                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 13:36 -0600
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 22:09 -0500
                                                                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 04:54 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 12:45 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 14:29 -0600
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-22 18:50 +0200
                                                                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-16 19:47 +0200
                                                                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-17 12:02 +0200
                                                                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - write port history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-12-18 21:33 -0500
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 08:50 +0100
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-03 19:03 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:41 -0500
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:30 +0000
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 09:39 -0500
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-03 18:47 +0000
        branch splitting (was: Tonights Tradeoff) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-04 07:50 +0000
          Re: branch splitting (was: Tonights Tradeoff) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:15 +0000
            Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-04 22:44 +0100
              Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 00:44 +0000
              Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:00 -0600
                Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:38 -0600
                Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:43 +0000
                  Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 10:24 -0500
                    Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:20 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-04-05 06:49 +0000
                        Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-05 20:35 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-04-06 05:11 +0000
                            Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-06 16:24 +0000
                              Re: round mode register Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 22:53 -0400
                Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-16 16:14 -0500
                  Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 14:45 -0600
                    Re: branch splitting Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 17:17 -0500
                      Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 17:40 -0600
            Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 15:46 -0800
              Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 02:51 +0000
                Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-05 05:17 +0000
                  Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 06:44 +0000
                    Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-05 06:55 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-05 10:49 -0500
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 18:14 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 20:04 +0000
                            Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 10:32 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-06 16:24 -0500
                            Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 22:53 +0000
                              Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-06 20:10 -0500
                      Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-05 18:03 +0000
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 18:17 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 20:07 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 20:24 +0000
                            Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-07 06:55 +0000
                  Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-04 22:53 -0800
                    Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 08:46 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:37 +0200
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 08:08 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-06 07:57 -0800
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 10:09 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-07 08:26 -0800
                            Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 17:15 +0000
                              Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-07 10:45 -0800
                              Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-08 10:31 -0500
                                Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:13 +0000
                                  Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-08 21:47 +0200
                                  Re: branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-09 17:06 +0000
                                    Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-09 20:00 +0000
                                      Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-09 21:14 +0000
                                      Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
                                      Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-10 14:52 +0000
                                        Re: PDP-8 history, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-10 18:53 +0000
                                  Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-10 08:27 +0100
                                Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-08 18:25 +0000
                                  Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-08 20:56 +0200
                                    Re: jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:08 +0000
                                      Re: jumping around, branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-09 13:01 -0500
                                        Re: jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-09 20:18 +0000
                                      Re: jumping around, branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-09 21:11 +0000
                                      Re: jumping around, branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:58 +0200
                                        Re: jumping around, branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-11 18:48 +0000
                                        Re: indirect chains, jumping around, branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-11 21:10 +0000
                                          Re: indirect chains, jumping around, branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 16:06 -0800
                                  Re: branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:07 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:45 +0000
                        Re: label variables, was branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-06 22:09 +0000
                          Re: label variables, was branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 15:26 +0000
                            Re: label variables, was branch splitting Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 17:54 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 10:02 +0000
                        Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:04 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-08 18:37 +0000
                        Re: goto, was branch splitting John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-08 21:14 +0000
                  Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 02:01 -0600
                    Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:04 +0000
                  Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-05 17:26 +0200
                    Re: branch splitting BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 10:23 -0600
                      Re: branch splitting scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-05 17:22 +0000
                      Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:30 +0200
                        Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:28 +0000
                          Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 00:45 +0200
                            Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:28 +0000
                              Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-11 18:50 +0200
                                Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-11 14:23 -0500
                                  Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-11 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: branch splitting EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-11 21:16 -0500
                                      Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: branch splitting Bernd Linsel <bl1-thispartdoesnotbelonghere@gmx.com> - 2025-11-13 19:32 +0100
                                  Re: branch splitting antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-13 01:35 +0000
                                    Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-13 09:45 +0000
                                      Re: branch splitting antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-13 17:35 +0000
                                Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:46 +0000
                                  Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 15:55 -0800
                                    Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 00:31 +0000
                                      Re: branch splitting Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-11 17:18 -0800
                                        Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-12 21:56 +0200
                                          Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:25 +0000
                            Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 22:21 +0000
                    Re: branch splitting MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:24 +0000
                    Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 11:43 +0200
                      Re: branch splitting Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:11 +0200
                        Re: branch splitting Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-06 13:14 +0200
                        Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-07 08:06 +0000
                    Re: branch splitting anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-06 17:52 +0000
                Re: branch splitting Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-05 15:27 +0100
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 01:47 -0500
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 02:06 -0500
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:52 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 20:41 -0500
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-02-07 21:49 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-09 19:09 +0000
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-03 19:13 +0000
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:56 -0500
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:21 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 21:49 -0500
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:36 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-05 19:20 -0800
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-08 14:11 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-08 18:08 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-06 19:38 +0000
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:14 -0800
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-07 17:29 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-09 14:54 -0800
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-10 02:00 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:03 -0800
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-06 21:59 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-12 06:20 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-12 08:01 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - constants / routing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 19:22 +0000
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff / Fusing branch ops Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 07:44 -0500
    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - Cache-line constants Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 22:30 -0500
      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 21:56 -0500
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-11 19:30 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:42 -0500
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 03:20 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 23:16 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-22 23:36 -0500
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 07:04 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:13 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-23 23:58 -0500
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:00 +0000
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:08 -0500
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 20:57 +0000
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-26 22:16 +0000
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 17:20 -0500
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-26 22:29 +0000
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 23:53 +0000
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 23:46 +0000
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-11-28 07:21 +0000
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:05 +0000
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 06:45 +0000
                          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 18:19 -0500
                            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-27 00:08 +0000
                              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 00:36 -0500
                                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:35 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-11-27 00:44 -0500
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-11-26 22:26 +0100
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:58 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-27 15:50 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-27 19:16 +0200
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-28 07:17 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 02:59 -0500
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-28 12:56 -0500
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:41 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:49 +0000
                  Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2025-11-29 15:48 +0000
                    Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-29 19:11 +0000
                      Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-11-29 15:08 -0500
                        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 22:07 +0000
        Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-11 21:18 +0000
          Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 21:46 -0500
            Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-12 07:19 +0000
              Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:27 +0000
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-11-12 23:59 -0500
                Re: Tonights Tradeoff - NaN boxed precisions Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-11-13 07:24 +0000

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#115285 — Re: IA-64

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-03-09 22:42 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10onere$3o39t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115210
Kent Dickey wrote:
> There is one very reasonable use case: testing a random number generator.
> A useful test is to ensure numbers are uncorrelated, so you get 3 random
> numbers called A, B, C, and you look up A*N*N + B*N + C to count the number
> of times you see A followed by B followed by C, where N is the range of
> the random value, say, 0 - 1023.  This would be an array of 1 billion 32-bit

I would be quite happy with half the size, i.e. 1e9 u16 entries.

> values.  You get 1000 billion random numbers, and then look through to make
> sure most buckets have a value around 1000.  Any buckets less than 500 or
> more than 1500 might be considered a random number generator failure.
> This is a useful test since it intuitively makes sense--if some patterns are
> too likely (or unlikely), then you know you have a problem with your
> "random" numbers.

I haven't done the math, but I would guess getting any deviation outside 
the 800-1200 range would be quite unlikely, and at least suspicious!

> 
> Another use case would be an algorithm which wants to shuffle a large
> array (say, you want to create test cases for a sorting algorithm).  I
> think most shuffling algorithms which are fair will randomly index into
> the array, and each of these will be a cache miss.

You could do random writes instead of random reads, that turns it into a 
"how many simultaneous write buffers do we have" problem.

Terje
-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#115309 — Re: IA-64

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-03-12 21:07 -0700
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<86pl5874op.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#115285
Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:

> Kent Dickey wrote:
>
>> There is one very reasonable use case:  testing a random number generator.
>> A useful test is to ensure numbers are uncorrelated, so you get 3 random
>> numbers called A, B, C, and you look up A*N*N + B*N + C to count the number
>> of times you see A followed by B followed by C, where N is the range of
>> the random value, say, 0 - 1023.  This would be an array of 1 billion 32-bit
>
> I would be quite happy with half the size, i.e. 1e9 u16 entries.
>
>> values.  You get 1000 billion random numbers, and then look through to make
>> sure most buckets have a value around 1000.  Any buckets less than 500 or
>> more than 1500 might be considered a random number generator failure.
>> This is a useful test since it intuitively makes sense--if some patterns are
>> too likely (or unlikely), then you know you have a problem with your
>> "random" numbers.
>
> I haven't done the math, but I would guess getting any deviation
> outside the 800-1200 range would be quite unlikely, and at least
> suspicious!

I think your intuition may be somewhat askew here.  I also haven't
done any math, but looking at some empirical results suggests the
range of 800-1200 is near the boundary of "unsurprising values".

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#115327 — Re: IA-64

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-03-14 16:27 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10p3uoo$bka8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115309
Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
> 
>> Kent Dickey wrote:
>>
>>> There is one very reasonable use case:  testing a random number generator.
>>> A useful test is to ensure numbers are uncorrelated, so you get 3 random
>>> numbers called A, B, C, and you look up A*N*N + B*N + C to count the number
>>> of times you see A followed by B followed by C, where N is the range of
>>> the random value, say, 0 - 1023.  This would be an array of 1 billion 32-bit
>>
>> I would be quite happy with half the size, i.e. 1e9 u16 entries.
>>
>>> values.  You get 1000 billion random numbers, and then look through to make
>>> sure most buckets have a value around 1000.  Any buckets less than 500 or
>>> more than 1500 might be considered a random number generator failure.
>>> This is a useful test since it intuitively makes sense--if some patterns are
>>> too likely (or unlikely), then you know you have a problem with your
>>> "random" numbers.
>>
>> I haven't done the math, but I would guess getting any deviation
>> outside the 800-1200 range would be quite unlikely, and at least
>> suspicious!
> 
> I think your intuition may be somewhat askew here.  I also haven't
> done any math, but looking at some empirical results suggests the
> range of 800-1200 is near the boundary of "unsurprising values".
> 
That's why I added the 'at least suspicious' trailer. :-)

Terje

-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#115340 — Re: GPU books?

FromRobert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com>
Date2026-03-15 01:07 -0400
SubjectRe: GPU books?
Message-ID<10p5eps$rk49$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115327
Any good books on GPUs?

I want to study GPUs now. Contemplating how to use multiple graphics 
accelerators together in the same project. There are better prospects 
for getting a small number running in the FPGA.

I think each one needs its own dedicated memory to perform well. 
Considering using 340x192 graphics mode (subset of 1366x768) and RGB444 
resolution for experimentation. That way multiple screens (one for each 
graphics accelerator) can fit into the BRAM. The trick is how to merge 
all the results together. It is not too bad if the results do not 
overlap. The drawings could be sorted according to z-depth and handed to 
graphics accelerators processing a particular z-range. Farthest away z 
would be copied to a master screen buffer first, then closer results 
would be copied overtop - the painter’s algorithm.

Images further in the background could be drawn at a lower resolution I 
suppose.

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#115367 — Re: GPU books?

FromEricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com>
Date2026-03-16 12:06 -0400
SubjectRe: GPU books?
Message-ID<3WVtR.335110$Pm2.159583@fx13.iad>
In reply to#115340
Robert Finch wrote:
> Any good books on GPUs?
> 
> I want to study GPUs now. Contemplating how to use multiple graphics 
> accelerators together in the same project. There are better prospects 
> for getting a small number running in the FPGA.
> 
> I think each one needs its own dedicated memory to perform well. 
> Considering using 340x192 graphics mode (subset of 1366x768) and RGB444 
> resolution for experimentation. That way multiple screens (one for each 
> graphics accelerator) can fit into the BRAM. The trick is how to merge 
> all the results together. It is not too bad if the results do not 
> overlap. The drawings could be sorted according to z-depth and handed to 
> graphics accelerators processing a particular z-range. Farthest away z 
> would be copied to a master screen buffer first, then closer results 
> would be copied overtop - the painter’s algorithm.
> 
> Images further in the background could be drawn at a lower resolution I 
> suppose.
> 

The only recent one I have is:

General-Purpose Graphics Processor Architectures 2018
Aamodt, Wai Lun Fung, Rogers

but if you search Google Scholar for "GPU" "Verilog" you can find
lots of recent papers from people designing their own.
e.g.

Vortex: Extending the RISC-V ISA for GPGPU and 3D-Graphics Research, 2021
https://vortex.cc.gatech.edu/publications/vortex_micro21_final.pdf

references a bunch of soft GPU's e.g.

"MIAOW [11] is an FPGA soft GPU that implements the AMD Southern Islands
GPGPU ISA and is capable of running unmodified OpenCL-based applications.
...
FlexiGrip [4], FGPU [1], and Harmonica [40] are also soft GPUs that are
implemented for FPGAs. They all have an SIMT-based architecture, but they
have their own custom ISA, which requires porting existing applications
and benchmarks. They do not support graphics."

MIAOW-An Open Source RTL Implementation of a GPGPU 2015
https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~vinay/pubs/MIAOW-coolchips-paper.pdf
https://github.com/VerticalResearchGroup/miaow

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#115369 — Re: GPU books?

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-03-16 12:34 -0700
SubjectRe: GPU books?
Message-ID<10p9m05$2941n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115340
On 3/14/2026 10:07 PM, Robert Finch wrote:
> Any good books on GPUs?
> 
> I want to study GPUs now. Contemplating how to use multiple graphics 
> accelerators together in the same project. There are better prospects 
> for getting a small number running in the FPGA.
> 
> I think each one needs its own dedicated memory to perform well. 
> Considering using 340x192 graphics mode (subset of 1366x768) and RGB444 
> resolution for experimentation. That way multiple screens (one for each 
> graphics accelerator) can fit into the BRAM. The trick is how to merge 
> all the results together. It is not too bad if the results do not 
> overlap. The drawings could be sorted according to z-depth and handed to 
> graphics accelerators processing a particular z-range. Farthest away z 
> would be copied to a master screen buffer first, then closer results 
> would be copied overtop - the painter’s algorithm.
> 
> Images further in the background could be drawn at a lower resolution I 
> suppose.
> 

For some reason this kind of reminds me of cross fire GPUs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_CrossFire

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#115382 — Re: GPU books?

FromMitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-03-17 17:57 +0000
SubjectRe: GPU books?
Message-ID<1773770273-5857@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#115369
"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> posted:

> On 3/14/2026 10:07 PM, Robert Finch wrote:
> > Any good books on GPUs?

GPUs are a bit hard to study because
a) they are Sooooo different from CPUs
b) ISA is not exposed to programmer
c) µArch and ISA changes every generation

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#115356 — Re: IA-64

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-03-15 14:14 -0700
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<86y0js6bit.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#115327
Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:

> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>
>>> Kent Dickey wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is one very reasonable use case:  testing a random number
>>>> generator.  A useful test is to ensure numbers are uncorrelated,
>>>> so you get 3 random numbers called A, B, C, and you look up A*N*N
>>>> + B*N + C to count the number of times you see A followed by B
>>>> followed by C, where N is the range of the random value, say, 0 -
>>>> 1023.  This would be an array of 1 billion 32-bit
>>>
>>> I would be quite happy with half the size, i.e. 1e9 u16 entries.
>>>
>>>> values.  You get 1000 billion random numbers, and then look
>>>> through to make sure most buckets have a value around 1000.  Any
>>>> buckets less than 500 or more than 1500 might be considered a
>>>> random number generator failure.  This is a useful test since it
>>>> intuitively makes sense--if some patterns are too likely (or
>>>> unlikely), then you know you have a problem with your "random"
>>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> I haven't done the math, but I would guess getting any deviation
>>> outside the 800-1200 range would be quite unlikely, and at least
>>> suspicious!
>>
>> I think your intuition may be somewhat askew here.  I also haven't
>> done any math, but looking at some empirical results suggests the
>> range of 800-1200 is near the boundary of "unsurprising values".
>
> That's why I added the 'at least suspicious' trailer. :-)

I realized you were hedging your bets.  At this point I'm not
sure that having a value outside the 800-1200 range is even
suspicion.  Outside the range of 750-1250, definitely, but
not yet the narrower range.  The empirical results are
suggestive but (for me) not definite enough.

I think it's worth adding that looking for an exceptional value is
not really a great test.  A better test is to count the number of
values less than 850 (and similarly greater than 1150), and to
compare that against the expected value.  Too high or too low means
the generator is biased.

An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...

Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
fraction: the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).

Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
average of all the fractions and what do you get?

I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)

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#115365 — Re: IA-64

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-03-16 15:35 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10p94fc$227s2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115356
Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
> 
>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>>
>>>> Kent Dickey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is one very reasonable use case:  testing a random number
>>>>> generator.  A useful test is to ensure numbers are uncorrelated,
>>>>> so you get 3 random numbers called A, B, C, and you look up A*N*N
>>>>> + B*N + C to count the number of times you see A followed by B
>>>>> followed by C, where N is the range of the random value, say, 0 -
>>>>> 1023.  This would be an array of 1 billion 32-bit
>>>>
>>>> I would be quite happy with half the size, i.e. 1e9 u16 entries.
>>>>
>>>>> values.  You get 1000 billion random numbers, and then look
>>>>> through to make sure most buckets have a value around 1000.  Any
>>>>> buckets less than 500 or more than 1500 might be considered a
>>>>> random number generator failure.  This is a useful test since it
>>>>> intuitively makes sense--if some patterns are too likely (or
>>>>> unlikely), then you know you have a problem with your "random"
>>>>> numbers.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't done the math, but I would guess getting any deviation
>>>> outside the 800-1200 range would be quite unlikely, and at least
>>>> suspicious!
>>>
>>> I think your intuition may be somewhat askew here.  I also haven't
>>> done any math, but looking at some empirical results suggests the
>>> range of 800-1200 is near the boundary of "unsurprising values".
>>
>> That's why I added the 'at least suspicious' trailer. :-)
> 
> I realized you were hedging your bets.  At this point I'm not
> sure that having a value outside the 800-1200 range is even
> suspicion.  Outside the range of 750-1250, definitely, but
> not yet the narrower range.  The empirical results are
> suggestive but (for me) not definite enough.
> 
> I think it's worth adding that looking for an exceptional value is
> not really a great test.  A better test is to count the number of
> values less than 850 (and similarly greater than 1150), and to
> compare that against the expected value.  Too high or too low means
> the generator is biased.

I agree
> 
> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
> 
> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
> fraction: the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
> 
> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
> 
> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
> 

So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
H	; 1/2 of all
THH	; 1/8
TTHHH	; 1/32
THTHH	; 1/32	Sum up to here is 22/32
TTTHHHH	; 1/128
TTHTHHH
TTHHTHH
THTTHHH
THTHTHH
etc

Here's a wild-assed guess: sqrt(0.5) = 0.707

Terje


-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#115413 — Re: IA-64

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-03-18 01:01 -0700
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<86zf454lds.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#115365
Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:

> Tim Rentsch wrote:
[...]
>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>
>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>
>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>
>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>
> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
> H	; 1/2 of all
> THH	; 1/8
> TTHHH	; 1/32
> THTHH	; 1/32	Sum up to here is 22/32
> TTTHHHH	; 1/128
> TTHTHHH
> TTHHTHH
> THTTHHH
> THTHTHH
> etc
>
> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707

That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
it converges VERY slowly).

Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
pi day, March 14th. :)

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#115420 — Re: IA-64

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-03-18 17:38 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10pekdm$hjr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115413
Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
> 
>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
> [...]
>>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>>
>>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>>
>>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>>
>>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>>
>> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
>> H	; 1/2 of all
>> THH	; 1/8
>> TTHHH	; 1/32
>> THTHH	; 1/32	Sum up to here is 22/32
>> TTTHHHH	; 1/128
>> TTHTHHH
>> TTHHTHH
>> THTTHHH
>> THTHTHH
>> etc
>>
>> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707
> 
> That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
> works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
> in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
> An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
> just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
> save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
> it converges VERY slowly).

So related to calculating pi by picking two random numbers and use them 
as coordinates into a [0..1 x 0..1] square.

pi/4 =~ 0.78539816, so a bit larger than my wild-assed guess. :-)

> 
> Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
> pi day, March 14th. :)
> 
I did not grok that hint. :-(

Terje

-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#115425 — Re: IA-64

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-03-18 20:28 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10peucv$470j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115420
On 18/03/2026 17:38, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>>>
>>>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>>>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>>>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>>>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>>>
>>>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>>>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>>>
>>>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>>>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>>>
>>> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
>>> H    ; 1/2 of all
>>> THH    ; 1/8
>>> TTHHH    ; 1/32
>>> THTHH    ; 1/32    Sum up to here is 22/32
>>> TTTHHHH    ; 1/128
>>> TTHTHHH
>>> TTHHTHH
>>> THTTHHH
>>> THTHTHH
>>> etc
>>>
>>> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707
>>
>> That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
>> works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
>> in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
>> An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
>> just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
>> save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
>> it converges VERY slowly).
> 
> So related to calculating pi by picking two random numbers and use them 
> as coordinates into a [0..1 x 0..1] square.
> 
> pi/4 =~ 0.78539816, so a bit larger than my wild-assed guess. :-)
> 
>>
>> Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
>> pi day, March 14th. :)
>>
> I did not grok that hint. :-(
> 
> Terje
> 

Here's the Numberphile video - there's a fair chance that it was where 
Tim's friend heard of the idea.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kahGSss6SsU&pp=ygULbnVtYmVycGhpbGU%3D>


(That channel has calculated pi in a lot of different ways over the years.)

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#115433 — Re: IA-64

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-03-18 21:05 -0700
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10pfslv$dphn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115425
On 3/18/2026 12:28 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 18/03/2026 17:38, Terje Mathisen wrote:
>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>>
>>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>>>>
>>>>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>>>>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>>>>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>>>>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>>>>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>>>>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>>>>
>>>> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
>>>> H    ; 1/2 of all
>>>> THH    ; 1/8
>>>> TTHHH    ; 1/32
>>>> THTHH    ; 1/32    Sum up to here is 22/32
>>>> TTTHHHH    ; 1/128
>>>> TTHTHHH
>>>> TTHHTHH
>>>> THTTHHH
>>>> THTHTHH
>>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707
>>>
>>> That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
>>> works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
>>> in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
>>> An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
>>> just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
>>> save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
>>> it converges VERY slowly).
>>
>> So related to calculating pi by picking two random numbers and use 
>> them as coordinates into a [0..1 x 0..1] square.
>>
>> pi/4 =~ 0.78539816, so a bit larger than my wild-assed guess. :-)
>>
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
>>> pi day, March 14th. :)
>>>
>> I did not grok that hint. :-(
>>
>> Terje
>>
> 
> Here's the Numberphile video - there's a fair chance that it was where 
> Tim's friend heard of the idea.
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kahGSss6SsU&pp=ygULbnVtYmVycGhpbGU%3D>
> 
> 
> (That channel has calculated pi in a lot of different ways over the years.)

Love the one where they get pi from a fractal:

https://youtu.be/d0vY0CKYhPY

;^D

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#115530 — Re: IA-64

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-03-23 21:01 -0700
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<86qzp95110.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#115420
Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:

> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>>>
>>>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>>>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>>>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>>>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>>>
>>>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>>>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>>>
>>>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>>>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>>>
>>> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
>>> H	; 1/2 of all
>>> THH	; 1/8
>>> TTHHH	; 1/32
>>> THTHH	; 1/32	Sum up to here is 22/32
>>> TTTHHHH	; 1/128
>>> TTHTHHH
>>> TTHHTHH
>>> THTTHHH
>>> THTHTHH
>>> etc
>>>
>>> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707
>>
>> That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
>> works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
>> in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
>> An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
>> just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
>> save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
>> it converges VERY slowly).
>
> So related to calculating pi by picking two random numbers and use
> them as coordinates into a [0..1 x 0..1] square.

If that's true I don't see how or why it's true.  I haven't tried
to understand the derivation I was given earlier.

> pi/4 =~ 0.78539816, so a bit larger than my wild-assed guess. :-)

I thought your guess was pretty reasonable.  I didn't have an
opportunity to make a guess because I knew the answer before
I understood the method.

>> Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
>> pi day, March 14th. :)
>
> I did not grok that hint. :-(

Definitely a very subtle hint.  I didn't really expect anyone to
get it, but I wanted to at least give an opportunity.  And I've
been surprised before by how smart some netizens are.

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#115533 — Re: IA-64

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-03-24 09:24 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10pthnr$rit4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115530
On 24/03/2026 05:01, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
> 
>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:
>>>
>>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> An unrelated item for your reading pleasure...
>>>>>
>>>>> Take an unbiased coin and start flipping it.  Keep flipping until
>>>>> the number of heads first exceeds the number of tails.  Compute the
>>>>> fraction:  the number of heads divided by the number of flips (which
>>>>> always gives a number between 0.5 and 1.0).
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeat the above process as many times as desired.  Compute the
>>>>> average of all the fractions and what do you get?
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard about this yesterday from a friend.  That's a hint, of
>>>>> sorts.  (It is now Sunday afternoon where I am.)
>>>>
>>>> So, by definition the list of possible sequences start with
>>>> H	; 1/2 of all
>>>> THH	; 1/8
>>>> TTHHH	; 1/32
>>>> THTHH	; 1/32	Sum up to here is 22/32
>>>> TTTHHHH	; 1/128
>>>> TTHTHHH
>>>> TTHHTHH
>>>> THTTHHH
>>>> THTHTHH
>>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> Here's a wild-assed guess:  sqrt(0.5) = 0.707
>>>
>>> That's an interesting idea for how to analyze it.  I'm not sure it
>>> works.  One thing I can say for sure is when I tried to replicate it
>>> in a program I got wrong answers, or maybe it converges very slowly.
>>> An easy way to get a result that matches the theoretical value is
>>> just to simulate the coin flips using a random number generator.  To
>>> save you the trouble of doing that the ultimate value is pi/4 (and
>>> it converges VERY slowly).
>>
>> So related to calculating pi by picking two random numbers and use
>> them as coordinates into a [0..1 x 0..1] square.
> 
> If that's true I don't see how or why it's true.  I haven't tried
> to understand the derivation I was given earlier.

I have not looked at the square with random numbers thing, so I can't 
comment on any similarities.

As for the coin tossing, I would say it is just coincidence that there 
is a pi in the end result.  When you are dealing with combinations of 
increasing numbers of things, you see factorials.  When you are dealing 
with probabilities, you see converging sums.  When you have converging 
sums with elements containing numerators of the form a . b ^ n and 
denominators with n!, you have something that looks like a Taylor 
series.  And sometimes these can be pushed and shoved into matching the 
Taylor series for a common transcendental function.  The probability 
questions you hear about are the ones that then give you a sum that 
involves popular numbers like pi or e.

> 
>> pi/4 =~ 0.78539816, so a bit larger than my wild-assed guess. :-)
> 
> I thought your guess was pretty reasonable.  I didn't have an
> opportunity to make a guess because I knew the answer before
> I understood the method.

For this particular problem, convergence is /really/ slow - even if you 
calculate the probabilities rather than doing actual coin tosses.  (In 
the Numberphile video, he did 10,000 coin tosses, and the result was 
about as far from pi/4 as sqrt(1/2) is.)  So I agree that sqrt(1/2) is a 
reasonable guess, as you have to sum up a very large number of steps 
before you exceed that.

> 
>>> Incidentally, the hint mentioned above is that I heard about it on
>>> pi day, March 14th. :)
>>
>> I did not grok that hint. :-(
> 
> Definitely a very subtle hint.  I didn't really expect anyone to
> get it, but I wanted to at least give an opportunity.  And I've
> been surprised before by how smart some netizens are.

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#115213 — Re: IA-64

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-03-05 02:54 +0000
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10oar9n$2t464$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#115204
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 19:03:54 +0100
> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> wrote:
> 
>> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> >> Let me try again.  Suppose you had a (totally silly) program with
>> >> a 2 GB array, and you used a random number generate an address
>> >> within it, then added the value at that addressed byte to an
>> >> accumulator.  Repeat say 10,000 times.  I would call this program
>> >> latency bound, but I suspect Anton would call it bandwidth bound.
>> >> If that is true, then that explains the original differences Anton
>> >> and I had.  
>> > 
>> > I think in theory, this is not latency bound: assuming enough CPU
>> > and memory parallelism in the implementation, it can be arbitrarily
>> > fast. But in practice it will probably be significantly slower than
>> > if you were to do a sequential traversal.  
>> 
>> 10K selected from 2G means average distance of 200K, so you get 
>> effectively very close to zero cache hits, and even TLB misses might
>> be very significant unless you've setup huge pages.
>>
> 
> Relatively horrible.
> A human time scale it would still be very fast.
> 
>> Assuming TLB+$L3+$L2+$L1 misses on every access the actual runtime
>> will be horrible!
>> > 
>> > Indeed, in practice you may sometimes see the performance be
>> > correlated with your memory latency, but if so it's only because
>> > your hardware doesn't offer enough parallelism (e.g. not enough
>> > memory banks).
>> > 
>> > AFAIK, when people say "latency-bound" they usually mean that adding
>> > parallelism and/or bandwidth to your memory hierarchy won't help
>> > speed it up (typically because of pointer-chasing).  This is
>> > important, because it's a *lot* more difficult to reduce memory
>> > latency than it is to add bandwidth or parallelism.  
>> 
>> When the working set does not allow any cache re-use, then a classic 
>> Cray could perform much better than a modern OoO cpu.
>> 
>> Terje
>> 
> 
> When working set does not allow any cache re-use then it does not fit
> in classic Cray's main memory.
> 
> Besides, it is nearly impossible to create a code that does something
> useful and has no cache hits at all. At very least, there will be
> reuse on instruction side. But I think that in order to completely avoid
> reuse on the data side you'll have to do something non-realistic.

I remember report from nineties.  IIRC NASA folks where comparing
Cray with Pentium-based machine.  Pentium offerred much more flops,
but on their benchmarks Cray was faster.  They wrote that they had
long vector which did not fit in any cache and Cray memory subsystem
had better bandwidth.  Caches are not bigger, but data is bigger too.

Note that people usually work hard to better utilize caches.  I do
not know if in the case above there was no way to rewrite code in
cache-friendly way or simply it was considerd to be too much work.
Also, I do not know if lack of reuse was "complete", simply
memory bandwidth was the bottleneck.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#115156 — Re: IA-64

FromBGB <cr88192@gmail.com>
Date2026-02-26 14:54 -0600
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10nqc7m$1ut7a$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115130
On 2/24/2026 5:25 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>> On 2/21/2026 8:18 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>
>> big snip
>>
>>> Otherwise what kind of common code do we have that is
>>> memory-dominated?  Tree searching and binary search in arrays come to
>>> mind, but are they really common, apart from programming classes?
>>
>> It is probably useful to distinguish between latency bound and bandwidth
>> bound.
> 
> If a problem is bandwidth-bound, then differences between conventional
> architectures and EPIC play no role, and microarchitectural
> differences in the core play no role, either; they all have to wait
> for memory.
> 
> For latency various forms of prefetching (by hardware or software) can
> help.
> 
>> Many occur in commercial (i.e. non scientific) programs, such as
>> database systems.  For example, imagine a company employee file (table),
>> with a (say 300 byte) record for each of its many thousands of employees
>> each containing typical employee stuff).  Now suppose someone wants to
>> know "What is the total salary of all the employees in the "Sales"
>> department.  With no index on "department", but it is at a fixed
>> displacement within each record, the code looks at each record, does a
>> trivial test on it, perhaps adds to a register, then goes to the next
>> record.  This it almost certainly memory latency bound.
> 
> If the records are stored sequentially, either because the programming
> language supports that arrangement and the programmer made use of
> that, or because the allocation happened in a way that resulted in
> such an arrangement, stride-based prefetching will prefetch the
> accessed fields and reduce the latency to the one due to bandwidth
> limits.
> 
> If the records are stored randomly, but are pointed to by an array,
> one can prefetch the relevant fields easily, again turning the problem
> into a latency-bound problem.  If, OTOH, the records are stored
> randomly and are in a linked list, this problem is a case of
> pointer-chasing and is indeed latency-bound.
> 
> BTW, thousands of employee records, each with 300 bytes, fit in the L2
> or L3 cache of modern processors.
> 

FWIW:

IME, code with fairly random access patterns to memory, and lots of 
cache misses, is inherently slow; even on big/fancy OoO chips. Seemingly 
about the only real hope the CPU has is to have a large cache and just 
hope that the data happens to be in the cache (and has been accessed 
previously or sufficiently recently) else it is just kinda SOL.

If there is some way that CPU's can guess what memory they need in 
advance and fetch it beforehand, I have not seen much evidence of this 
personally.

Rather, as can be noted, memory access patterns can often make a fairly 
large impact on the performance of some algorithms.


Like, for example, decoding a PNG like format vs a JPG like format:
   PNG decoding typically processes the image as several major phases:
     Decompress the Deflate-compressed buffer into memory;
     Walk over the image, running scanline filters,
       copying scanlines into a new (output) buffer.

Even if the parts, taken in isolation, should be fast:
   The image buffers are frequently too large to fit in cache;
   Cache misses tend to make PNG decoding painfully slow,
     even when using faster filters.
     If using the Paeth filter though, this adds extra slowness,
       due to branch-predictor misses.
       On targets like x86,
         the filter is frequently implemented using branches;
         The branch miss rate is very high.
         So, a naive branching version, performs like dog crap.

So, net result: Despite its conceptual simplicity, PNG's decode-time 
performance typically sucks.

Contrast, a decoder for a JPEG like format can be made to process one 
block at a time and go all the way to final output. So, JPEG is often 
faster despite the more complex process (with transform stages and a 
colorspace transform).


The Paeth filter slowness does seem a little odd though:
Theoretically, a CPU could turn a short forward branch into predication;
But, this doesn't tend to be the case.

It then is faster to turn the filter into some convoluted mess of 
arithmetic and masking in an attempt to reduce the branch mispredict costs.

...

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#115159 — Re: IA-64

FromMitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-02-27 19:04 +0000
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<1772219082-5857@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#115156
BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> posted:

> On 2/24/2026 5:25 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
> >> On 2/21/2026 8:18 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> >>
> >> big snip
> >>
> >>> Otherwise what kind of common code do we have that is
> >>> memory-dominated?  Tree searching and binary search in arrays come to
> >>> mind, but are they really common, apart from programming classes?
> >>
> >> It is probably useful to distinguish between latency bound and bandwidth
> >> bound.
> > 
> > If a problem is bandwidth-bound, then differences between conventional
> > architectures and EPIC play no role, and microarchitectural
> > differences in the core play no role, either; they all have to wait
> > for memory.
> > 
> > For latency various forms of prefetching (by hardware or software) can
> > help.
> > 
> >> Many occur in commercial (i.e. non scientific) programs, such as
> >> database systems.  For example, imagine a company employee file (table),
> >> with a (say 300 byte) record for each of its many thousands of employees
> >> each containing typical employee stuff).  Now suppose someone wants to
> >> know "What is the total salary of all the employees in the "Sales"
> >> department.  With no index on "department", but it is at a fixed
> >> displacement within each record, the code looks at each record, does a
> >> trivial test on it, perhaps adds to a register, then goes to the next
> >> record.  This it almost certainly memory latency bound.
> > 
> > If the records are stored sequentially, either because the programming
> > language supports that arrangement and the programmer made use of
> > that, or because the allocation happened in a way that resulted in
> > such an arrangement, stride-based prefetching will prefetch the
> > accessed fields and reduce the latency to the one due to bandwidth
> > limits.
> > 
> > If the records are stored randomly, but are pointed to by an array,
> > one can prefetch the relevant fields easily, again turning the problem
> > into a latency-bound problem.  If, OTOH, the records are stored
> > randomly and are in a linked list, this problem is a case of
> > pointer-chasing and is indeed latency-bound.
> > 
> > BTW, thousands of employee records, each with 300 bytes, fit in the L2
> > or L3 cache of modern processors.
> > 
> 
> FWIW:
> 
> IME, code with fairly random access patterns to memory, and lots of 
> cache misses, is inherently slow; even on big/fancy OoO chips.

There is no ILP when you are sitting waiting on memory.

>                                                               Seemingly 
> about the only real hope the CPU has is to have a large cache and just 
> hope that the data happens to be in the cache (and has been accessed 
> previously or sufficiently recently) else it is just kinda SOL.
> 
> If there is some way that CPU's can guess what memory they need in 
> advance and fetch it beforehand, I have not seen much evidence of this 
> personally.

I built such a memory system (circa 2003) and it worked wonderfully
on first 1B cycles when the application was building its data set for
the first time. Later, as the DAG was manipulated, there were no
predictors that helped <much>.
 
> Rather, as can be noted, memory access patterns can often make a fairly 
> large impact on the performance of some algorithms.

Which is why serious numerics code are written for specific transpose
orders. See DGEMM as an example.
 
> Like, for example, decoding a PNG like format vs a JPG like format:
>    PNG decoding typically processes the image as several major phases:
>      Decompress the Deflate-compressed buffer into memory;
>      Walk over the image, running scanline filters,
>        copying scanlines into a new (output) buffer.

FFT has the property that, sooner or later, every next fetch of the
matrix entry takes a cache miss. Sometimes this is at the beginning
(Decimation in time) sometimes at the end (Decimation in frequency)
sometimes in the middle (access pattern is congruent to cache size).

With matrixes of just the right size, one can achieve a TLB miss on
every 8th access.

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#115161 — Re: IA-64

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-02-27 19:31 +0000
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10nsret$2ppc0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115159
MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> schrieb:

> With matrixes of just the right size, one can achieve a TLB miss on
> every 8th access.

Which is why people copy parts of the matrices they multiply
into separate blocks.  If the sizes fit the cache hierarchy,
it is an excellent tradeoff even though the number operations
nominally increases.

-- 
This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.

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#115166 — Re: IA-64

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-02-28 16:48 +0100
SubjectRe: IA-64
Message-ID<10nv2on$3fl5q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#115156
BGB wrote:
> On 2/24/2026 5:25 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>> On 2/21/2026 8:18 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>>
>>> big snip
>>>
>>>> Otherwise what kind of common code do we have that is
>>>> memory-dominated?  Tree searching and binary search in arrays come to
>>>> mind, but are they really common, apart from programming classes?
>>>
>>> It is probably useful to distinguish between latency bound and bandwidth
>>> bound.
>>
>> If a problem is bandwidth-bound, then differences between conventional
>> architectures and EPIC play no role, and microarchitectural
>> differences in the core play no role, either; they all have to wait
>> for memory.
>>
>> For latency various forms of prefetching (by hardware or software) can
>> help.
>>
>>> Many occur in commercial (i.e. non scientific) programs, such as
>>> database systems.  For example, imagine a company employee file (table),
>>> with a (say 300 byte) record for each of its many thousands of employees
>>> each containing typical employee stuff).  Now suppose someone wants to
>>> know "What is the total salary of all the employees in the "Sales"
>>> department.  With no index on "department", but it is at a fixed
>>> displacement within each record, the code looks at each record, does a
>>> trivial test on it, perhaps adds to a register, then goes to the next
>>> record.  This it almost certainly memory latency bound.
>>
>> If the records are stored sequentially, either because the programming
>> language supports that arrangement and the programmer made use of
>> that, or because the allocation happened in a way that resulted in
>> such an arrangement, stride-based prefetching will prefetch the
>> accessed fields and reduce the latency to the one due to bandwidth
>> limits.
>>
>> If the records are stored randomly, but are pointed to by an array,
>> one can prefetch the relevant fields easily, again turning the problem
>> into a latency-bound problem.  If, OTOH, the records are stored
>> randomly and are in a linked list, this problem is a case of
>> pointer-chasing and is indeed latency-bound.
>>
>> BTW, thousands of employee records, each with 300 bytes, fit in the L2
>> or L3 cache of modern processors.
>>
> 
> FWIW:
> 
> IME, code with fairly random access patterns to memory, and lots of 
> cache misses, is inherently slow; even on big/fancy OoO chips. Seemingly 
> about the only real hope the CPU has is to have a large cache and just 
> hope that the data happens to be in the cache (and has been accessed 
> previously or sufficiently recently) else it is just kinda SOL.
> 
> If there is some way that CPU's can guess what memory they need in 
> advance and fetch it beforehand, I have not seen much evidence of this 
> personally.
> 
> Rather, as can be noted, memory access patterns can often make a fairly 
> large impact on the performance of some algorithms.
> 
> 
> Like, for example, decoding a PNG like format vs a JPG like format:
>    PNG decoding typically processes the image as several major phases:
>      Decompress the Deflate-compressed buffer into memory;
>      Walk over the image, running scanline filters,
>        copying scanlines into a new (output) buffer.

Could you have a secondary thread that started as soon as one (or a 
small number of) scanline(s) were available, taking advantage of any 
shared $L3 cache to grab the data before it is blown away?

> 
> Even if the parts, taken in isolation, should be fast:
>    The image buffers are frequently too large to fit in cache;
>    Cache misses tend to make PNG decoding painfully slow,
>      even when using faster filters.
>      If using the Paeth filter though, this adds extra slowness,
>        due to branch-predictor misses.
>        On targets like x86,
>          the filter is frequently implemented using branches;
>          The branch miss rate is very high.
>          So, a naive branching version, performs like dog crap.

This reminds me of CABAC decoding in h264, where the output of the 
arithmetic decoder is single bits that by definition cannot be 
predictable, but the codec typically uses that bit to branch.

> 
> So, net result: Despite its conceptual simplicity, PNG's decode-time 
> performance typically sucks.
> 
> Contrast, a decoder for a JPEG like format can be made to process one 
> block at a time and go all the way to final output. So, JPEG is often 
> faster despite the more complex process (with transform stages and a 
> colorspace transform).
> 
> 
> The Paeth filter slowness does seem a little odd though:
> Theoretically, a CPU could turn a short forward branch into predication;
> But, this doesn't tend to be the case.
> 
> It then is faster to turn the filter into some convoluted mess of 
> arithmetic and masking in an attempt to reduce the branch mispredict costs.

I would look for a way to handle multiple pixels at once, with SIMD 
code: There the masking/combining is typically the easiest way to 
implement short branches.

(I might take a look a png decoding at some point)

Terje

-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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