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| Started by | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| First post | 2024-09-13 20:51 +0100 |
| Last post | 2024-09-18 17:00 +0000 |
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Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-13 20:51 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-13 23:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-14 07:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 00:06 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-14 22:49 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 11:22 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-16 23:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-17 10:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 19:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 00:50 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-15 00:42 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 03:51 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-17 23:30 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 23:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 00:44 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 00:57 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 01:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 13:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 14:37 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:50 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:00 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 19:01 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 18:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 08:52 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:21 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:32 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 14:54 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 22:11 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 01:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 18:43 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 01:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:28 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:16 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:24 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 21:12 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-21 13:54 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:26 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 20:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-21 18:49 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 20:58 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 07:44 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:07 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 15:37 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:55 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 21:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 20:53 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 01:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-23 10:53 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-23 21:39 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture BGB-Alt <bohannonindustriesllc@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 16:00 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 03:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 05:42 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:49 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:46 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 20:59 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:35 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:19 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:32 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:46 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:47 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 00:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:48 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:03 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 20:07 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:51 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-24 07:50 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:14 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-24 15:45 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 00:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 17:58 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-10-03 10:25 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:49 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-24 11:45 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-23 11:33 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:25 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:24 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:29 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:34 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 10:34 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:44 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:43 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 18:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:37 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-23 16:30 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:46 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:04 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 16:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 22:54 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 00:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 04:27 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-19 14:23 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:01 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 09:26 +0200
Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-19 09:00 +0100
Re: Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:12 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 11:10 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 12:54 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:14 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-20 09:55 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:33 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 13:19 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:46 +0000
Local (predictive?) echoing (was: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 10:57 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:16 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:38 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 20:17 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:39 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 15:39 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 22:58 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:29 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 22:06 -0500
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-22 12:46 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:34 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:09 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 20:06 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:37 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 00:58 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 04:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 06:52 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:13 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 02:21 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:16 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:18 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:48 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:12 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:50 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:09 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 16:58 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 15:06 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:10 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 00:34 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 21:51 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:44 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:18 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 17:50 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:51 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:36 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 03:41 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 15:21 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 18:26 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 22:57 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 20:20 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 05:40 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 20:09 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 10:44 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:43 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 16:25 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-19 19:29 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-19 19:31 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 00:15 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-20 05:46 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:37 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:18 -0400
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 15:21 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 19:10 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 11:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-23 11:44 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:05 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-24 08:14 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-24 10:56 +0300
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-20 14:24 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:29 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 18:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:06 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 03:17 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 20:30 -0700
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Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:05 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-24 10:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 17:17 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 20:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:15 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 14:11 -0700
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 12:17 -0700
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:33 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-24 17:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 18:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:16 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:38 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 18:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 21:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-11-04 09:43 +0100
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-04 15:51 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 14:02 +0200
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-20 09:44 -0700
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 17:29 +0000
Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-20 12:32 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 10:41 +0200
Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-18 20:41 +0000
Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:43 +0000
Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:18 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 20:57 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:45 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:27 +0200
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-17 21:57 -0700
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:46 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:51 +0000
Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-18 16:28 +0000
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-24 11:51 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <20240924115113.00000040@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #109107 |
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 22:05:27 +0000 mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:34:03 +0000, Michael S wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:10:00 +0000 > > mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 15:06:50 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> > >>> "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> writes: > >>>>On 9/17/24 8:44 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:45:50 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> "the CPUs are simply I/O managers to the Inference Engines and > >>>>>> GPUs." > >>>>> > >>>>> That particular Wheel of Reincarnation will never turn that way. > >>>>> > >>>>> Why? It comes down to RAM. Those addon processors will never > >>>>> have access to the sheer quantity of RAM that is available to > >>>>> the CPU. And motherboard-based CPU RAM is upgradeable, as well, > >>>>> whereas addon cards tend not to offer this option. > >>>> > >>>>My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. > >>> > >>> LDO's statement "will never have access to the sheer quantity of > >>> RAM that is available to the CPU" is flat out wrong. > >>> > >>> Marvell already offers a CXL add-on processor card that supports > >>> up to 4TB of DRAM with 16 high-end ARM64 V series cores. > >> > >> At somewhere near 3× the latency to DRAM. > >> > > > > Where did you find this figure? > > I calculated it based on how messages get passed up and down PCIe > linkages and that that plug in memory has to be enough wire distance > to need a PCIe switch between CPU die and Plug. Then add on typical > memory controller and DRAM controller, and that is what you have. > > > I have read both product brief and press release and didn't see any > > latency numbers mentioned, not even an order of magnitude. > > > > I suppose, in order to get real datasheet one would have to sign > > NDA. > > > > Somehow I don't see how anything running over PCIe-like link can be > > as fast as you suggest. > > I was not suggesting it is fast, I was suggesting it is slow. > And I think that 3x, i.e. ~150 ns latency of cache miss measured at CPU core, is more than fast enough to be competitive. But I don't think that it is technically possible. > >> If the size works for your application--great ! > >> If the latency does not work for you--less great.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 01:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdaav9$1facd$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109070 |
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. More > tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and lower latency > (and lower system power/energy). Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems to be the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, in terms of increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will follow. I think Apple’s approach will turn out to be an evolutionary dead-end.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 02:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdacqr$1jf40$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109271 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > >> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. More >> tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and lower latency >> (and lower system power/energy). > > Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems to be > the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, in terms of > increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will follow. I think > Apple’s approach will turn out to be an evolutionary dead-end. Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting rid of DIMMs. Four times the bandwidth at lower power is not something even Intel can pass up. A decade from now DIMMs will be basically extinct.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 03:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdai8i$1k0bl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109273 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 02:08:28 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: >> >>> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. More >>> tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and lower latency >>> (and lower system power/energy). >> >> Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems to be >> the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, in terms of >> increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will follow. I think >> Apple’s approach will turn out to be an evolutionary dead-end. > > Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting rid of > DIMMs. And Intel is not exactly in the best of market health at the moment, is it?
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 15:21 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <20240929152159.000024a7@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #109275 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 03:41:07 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 02:08:28 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > > > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > >> > >>> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. > >>> More tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and > >>> lower latency (and lower system power/energy). > >> > >> Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems > >> to be the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, > >> in terms of increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will > >> follow. I think Apple’s approach will turn out to be an > >> evolutionary dead-end. > > > > Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting rid > > of DIMMs. > > And Intel is not exactly in the best of market health at the moment, > is it? It seems, Brett is confusing Intel's client CPUs (Lunar Lake) for Intel's server CPUs (Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids). Don't take everything he says at face value. As a source of information Brett is no more reliable than yourself. Also, pay attention that even in client space Intel complements more rigid Lunar Lake series with more traditional (likely, at cost of lower performance per watt) Arrow Lake series.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdc64v$1rfqm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109288 |
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 03:41:07 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 02:08:28 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: >>>> >>>>> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. >>>>> More tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and >>>>> lower latency (and lower system power/energy). >>>> >>>> Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems >>>> to be the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, >>>> in terms of increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will >>>> follow. I think Apple’s approach will turn out to be an >>>> evolutionary dead-end. >>> >>> Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting rid >>> of DIMMs. >> >> And Intel is not exactly in the best of market health at the moment, >> is it? > > It seems, Brett is confusing Intel's client CPUs (Lunar Lake) for > Intel's server CPUs (Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids). > Don't take everything he says at face value. As a source of > information Brett is no more reliable than yourself. Four times the dram bandwidth, DIMMs are DOOMED. > Also, pay attention that even in client space Intel complements more > rigid Lunar Lake series with more traditional (likely, at cost of lower > performance per watt) Arrow Lake series.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 22:57 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <20240929225729.00007d56@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #109299 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 18:26:39 -0000 (UTC) Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 03:41:07 -0000 (UTC) > > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 02:08:28 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: > >> > >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. > >>>>> More tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and > >>>>> lower latency (and lower system power/energy). > >>>> > >>>> Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems > >>>> to be the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, > >>>> in terms of increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will > >>>> follow. I think Apple’s approach will turn out to be an > >>>> evolutionary dead-end. > >>> > >>> Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting > >>> rid of DIMMs. > >> > >> And Intel is not exactly in the best of market health at the > >> moment, is it? > > > > It seems, Brett is confusing Intel's client CPUs (Lunar Lake) for > > Intel's server CPUs (Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids). > > Don't take everything he says at face value. As a source of > > information Brett is no more reliable than yourself. > > Four times the dram bandwidth, > For the same # of IO pins LPDDR5x has only ~1.33x higher bandwidth than DDR5 DIMMs at top standard speed. Somewhat more, if measured per Watt rather than per pin, but even per Watt the factor is much less than 2x. > DIMMs are DOOMED. In the long run, I don't disagree. On client computers - the run would not be even particularly long. On servers - it will take more than decade. But even on clients it's not going to be completed overnight or over 1-1.5 years.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vdf16d$2ce5k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #109305 |
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 18:26:39 -0000 (UTC) > Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 03:41:07 -0000 (UTC) >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 02:08:28 -0000 (UTC), Brett wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:58:10 -0400, Paul A. Clayton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. >>>>>>> More tightly integrated memory facilitates higher bandwidth and >>>>>>> lower latency (and lower system power/energy). >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, we know that is the path that Apple is following. That seems >>>>>> to be the only way they can justify their move to ARM processors, >>>>>> in terms of increasing performance. Doesn’t mean that others will >>>>>> follow. I think Apple’s approach will turn out to be an >>>>>> evolutionary dead-end. >>>>> >>>>> Intels newest server cpu moves the dram onto the socket getting >>>>> rid of DIMMs. >>>> >>>> And Intel is not exactly in the best of market health at the >>>> moment, is it? >>> >>> It seems, Brett is confusing Intel's client CPUs (Lunar Lake) for >>> Intel's server CPUs (Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids). >>> Don't take everything he says at face value. As a source of >>> information Brett is no more reliable than yourself. >> >> Four times the dram bandwidth, >> > > For the same # of IO pins LPDDR5x has only ~1.33x higher bandwidth > than DDR5 DIMMs at top standard speed. Somewhat more, if measured per > Watt rather than per pin, but even per Watt the factor is much less > than 2x. On socket LPDDR5x has four times the bandwidth because there are four times as many memory busses, as you can have four times the pins on the carrier, compared to the socket. >> DIMMs are DOOMED. > > In the long run, I don't disagree. On client computers - the run would > not be even particularly long. On servers - it will take more than > decade. > But even on clients it's not going to be completed overnight or over > 1-1.5 years. ;) And over four years which is two major product refreshes? You know that answer. ;)
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| From | mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 23:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d8eae1adde4a67cda059d60f1383fc91@www.novabbs.org> |
| In reply to | #109299 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 18:26:39 +0000, Brett wrote: > > Four times the dram bandwidth, DIMMs are DOOMED. > They had a good long run.
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2024-09-18 05:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2024Sep18.074007@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #108806 |
mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >Just last night, I was in a conversation with someone trying to start up >a new company that wants to compete in the "server market". Direct >quote; >"the CPUs are simply I/O managers to the Inference Engines and GPUs." The investor pitch of a startup that cannot compete on the CPU side. >Who here thinks that CPUs have become the CDC 6600 PPs for the GPUs and >Inference Engines ?? The big difference is, that despite the CDC6600 being a supercomputer, the majority of its software (measured in lines of code) ran on the CPU, not on the PPs. Later supercomputers had a general-purpose computer for doing all the menial stuff, so that the supercomputer could focus on the matrix multiplies that it was good at. I can believe that on those systems the software on the GP computer was bigger than the software on the supercomputer. For some machines (e.g., high-end game PCs, game consoles and whatever is done for training deep neural networks), I expect that the relation between the CPU and its accelerators are similar to those between the general-purpose and the supercomputer: Most power spent in the accelerator, most lines of code run on the CPU. Although, thinking again, are accelerators used for training, or only for running DNNs? For servers running data bases, web shops, social networks, etc., and for, e.g., people doing C++ or Rust development, I expect that accelerators play little role. Just last night I talked to Jens Palsberg who works on quantum computing. He told me that those working on quantum computer simulators find it too hard to program GPUs, so optimizations for CPUs are in demand. OTOH, earlier that day he gave a presentation on a different topic where he worked on an optimization that allowed to eliminate branches; and his collaborators, who work for Meta, were very intent on eliminating all branches, because that would allow them to run on specialized hardware, i.e., an accelerator. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-18 06:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcds4i$3vato$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108815 |
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:40:07 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: > Just last night I talked to Jens Palsberg who works on quantum > computing. What kind? Has he got Shor’s algorithm working yet?
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2024-09-18 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2024Sep18.220953@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #108816 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:40:07 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: > >> Just last night I talked to Jens Palsberg who works on quantum >> computing. > >What kind? He is working on the software side, not the physics side. > Has he got Shor’s algorithm working yet? My understanding is that he's about enabling software developers to develop more programs. He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs are needed for quantum computing to become useful. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-18 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcfopr$8glq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108840 |
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: > He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs > are needed for quantum computing to become useful. The biggest one would be getting around the fundamental problem that you can’t get something for nothing. The promise of an exponential increase in computing power for a linear increase in the number of processing elements sounds very much like “something for nothing” under another name, wouldn’t you say?
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| From | Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 10:44 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ll232oFs6asU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #108848 |
On 2024-09-19 2:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: > >> He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs >> are needed for quantum computing to become useful. > > The biggest one would be getting around the fundamental problem that you > can’t get something for nothing. Stupid argument. Look at the effort and tech it takes to make quantum computers... that is not "nothing". > The promise of an exponential increase in computing power for a linear > increase in the number of processing elements sounds very much like > “something for nothing” under another name, wouldn’t you say? No, it is exploiting the very non-intuitive nature of quantum entanglement to create an exponential number of collective states of a linear number of elements. Medieval arguments about "nothing" vs "something" don't work there.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 08:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcgo74$gkr1$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108864 |
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:44:24 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote: > On 2024-09-19 2:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: >> >>> He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs >>> are needed for quantum computing to become useful. >> >> The biggest one would be getting around the fundamental problem that >> you can’t get something for nothing. > > Stupid argument. Look at the effort and tech it takes to make quantum > computers... that is not "nothing". Is there some ongoing “Nature’s Rentware” involved? >> The promise of an exponential increase in computing power for a linear >> increase in the number of processing elements sounds very much like >> “something for nothing” under another name, wouldn’t you say? > > No, it is exploiting the very non-intuitive nature of quantum > entanglement to create an exponential number of collective states of a > linear number of elements. That’s called the “many worlds interpretation” of quantum mechanics, and it is philosophical mumbo-jumbo nonsense.
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| From | Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 16:25 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ll2n1hFu4lmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #108867 |
On 2024-09-19 11:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:44:24 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote: > >> On 2024-09-19 2:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: >>> >>>> He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs >>>> are needed for quantum computing to become useful. >>> >>> The biggest one would be getting around the fundamental problem that >>> you can’t get something for nothing. >> >> Stupid argument. Look at the effort and tech it takes to make quantum >> computers... that is not "nothing". > > Is there some ongoing “Nature’s Rentware” involved? I have no idea what you mean by that. >>> The promise of an exponential increase in computing power for a linear >>> increase in the number of processing elements sounds very much like >>> “something for nothing” under another name, wouldn’t you say? >> >> No, it is exploiting the very non-intuitive nature of quantum >> entanglement to create an exponential number of collective states of a >> linear number of elements. > > That’s called the “many worlds interpretation” of quantum mechanics, and > it is philosophical mumbo-jumbo nonsense. The /fact/ that quantum mechanics describes how the world works, entanglement and all, does not depend on the various attempts to "interpret" or understand its foundations.
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 19:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vchu2q$mfu5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108872 |
Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-09-19 11:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:44:24 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote: >> >>> On 2024-09-19 2:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: >>>> >>>>> He mentioned that several physics breakthroughs >>>>> are needed for quantum computing to become useful. >>>> >>>> The biggest one would be getting around the fundamental problem that >>>> you can’t get something for nothing. >>> >>> Stupid argument. Look at the effort and tech it takes to make quantum >>> computers... that is not "nothing". >> >> Is there some ongoing “Nature’s Rentware” involved? > > > I have no idea what you mean by that. > > >>>> The promise of an exponential increase in computing power for a linear >>>> increase in the number of processing elements sounds very much like >>>> “something for nothing” under another name, wouldn’t you say? >>> >>> No, it is exploiting the very non-intuitive nature of quantum >>> entanglement to create an exponential number of collective states of a >>> linear number of elements. >> >> That’s called the “many worlds interpretation” of quantum mechanics, and >> it is philosophical mumbo-jumbo nonsense. > > The /fact/ that quantum mechanics describes how the world works, > entanglement and all, does not depend on the various attempts to > "interpret" or understand its foundations. Quantum mechanics is high IQ bullshit to make professors look important. Next you are going to use the magic word Einstein and declare that makes you win the argument.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 19:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vchu67$mgk1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108893 |
Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> schrieb: > Quantum mechanics is high IQ bullshit to make professors look important. You need quantum mechanics to describe solid-state electronics (or all atoms, for that matter). Are you sure you are posting to the right newsgroup?
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| From | Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-20 00:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcieqn$p8fv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108894 |
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> schrieb: > >> Quantum mechanics is high IQ bullshit to make professors look important. > > You need quantum mechanics to describe solid-state electronics > (or all atoms, for that matter). Type “quantum mechanics criticism” and variants into Google and have at it.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2024-09-20 05:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcj289$vddu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108910 |
Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> schrieb: > Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >> Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> schrieb: >> >>> Quantum mechanics is high IQ bullshit to make professors look important. >> >> You need quantum mechanics to describe solid-state electronics >> (or all atoms, for that matter). > > Type “quantum mechanics criticism” and variants into Google and have at it. I've read enough crackpot theories already, thank you, I don't need any more.
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