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Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

Started byjgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman)
First post2024-09-13 20:51 +0100
Last post2024-09-18 17:00 +0000
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  Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-13 20:51 +0100
    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-13 23:18 +0000
    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-14 07:29 +0000
      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 00:06 +0300
        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-14 22:49 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 11:22 +0300
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-16 23:48 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-17 10:57 +0300
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 19:58 +0000
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 00:50 +0300
        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-15 00:42 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-15 03:51 +0300
    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-17 23:30 +0000
      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-17 23:45 +0000
        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 00:44 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 00:57 +0000
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 01:27 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 13:34 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 14:37 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:50 +0000
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:00 +0300
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 19:01 +0200
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 18:48 +0000
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 08:52 +0200
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:40 +0000
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:51 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:21 -0400
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:32 +0000
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 14:54 -0700
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 22:11 +0000
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 01:12 +0000
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 18:43 -0700
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:23 +0000
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 01:48 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:28 -0700
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 19:32 -0700
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:15 -0400
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:26 +0000
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-21 14:16 -0400
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 16:39 +0000
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:24 -0700
                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:48 +0000
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 21:12 -0700
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-21 13:54 +0000
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:26 -0700
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-21 20:45 +0000
                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-21 18:49 -0400
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 20:58 -0700
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 07:44 -0400
                                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:07 -0700
                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 15:37 -0400
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:55 -0700
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 21:39 +0000
                                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-22 20:53 -0400
                                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 01:34 +0000
                                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-23 10:53 +0300
                                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-23 21:39 +0100
                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture BGB-Alt <bohannonindustriesllc@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 16:00 -0500
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:32 -0700
                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 03:48 +0000
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 05:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:49 +0300
                                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-30 17:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 11:46 +0300
                                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 20:59 +0000
                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:35 -0700
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:19 -0700
                                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:32 +0000
                                                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:46 -0700
                                                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:47 -0700
                                                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 00:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 20:07 -0700
                                                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-24 07:50 +0200
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:56 +0300
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-09-24 15:45 -0400
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 00:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 17:58 -0700
                                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-10-03 10:25 -0400
                                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:49 +0300
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-24 11:45 -0400
                                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-10-12 08:27 +0000
                                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-09-23 11:33 -0400
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:25 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:24 +0000
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:29 -0700
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:34 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 02:57 +0300
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:12 +0000
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 10:34 +0300
                                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:45 +0000
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 19:44 -0700
                                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:43 +0000
                                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 18:32 -0700
                                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 12:37 +0300
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-23 16:30 -0400
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:46 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:48 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:48 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:40 +0000
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 19:04 +0300
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-18 16:23 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 22:54 +0000
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 00:29 +0000
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 04:27 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-19 14:23 +0000
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:01 +0200
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 09:26 +0200
                      Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-19 09:00 +0100
                        Re: Perception of lag (Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:12 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 11:10 +0200
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-19 12:54 +0200
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:40 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:14 +0200
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-20 09:55 +0200
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:33 +0000
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 13:19 -0500
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 23:46 +0000
                          Local (predictive?) echoing (was: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 10:57 -0400
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:16 +0000
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:38 +0000
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 20:17 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 21:39 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 15:39 +0200
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-21 22:58 +0300
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-09-21 22:42 +0200
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:29 -0500
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 22:06 -0500
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:18 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-22 12:46 +0200
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:34 -0700
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:09 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 20:06 +0200
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:37 +0000
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 00:58 +0000
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-20 04:05 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 06:52 -0400
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 02:13 +0000
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-22 02:21 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-22 07:16 +0000
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:18 +0300
                                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:48 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 12:12 +0300
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-20 21:06 +0100
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 23:50 +0000
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 17:09 -0700
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 16:58 -0400
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 15:06 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 21:10 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 00:34 +0300
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-23 21:51 +0000
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:44 +0300
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 14:18 +0000
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 17:50 +0300
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-23 22:05 +0000
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 11:51 +0300
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:36 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 02:08 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 03:41 +0000
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 15:21 +0300
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 18:26 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 22:57 +0300
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 20:20 +0000
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-29 23:30 +0000
        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 05:40 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:31 +0000
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-18 20:09 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:47 +0000
                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 10:44 +0300
                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 08:43 +0000
                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2024-09-19 16:25 +0300
                      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-19 19:29 +0000
                        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-19 19:31 +0000
                          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 00:15 +0000
                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-20 05:46 +0000
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 09:37 +0200
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-09-20 11:18 -0400
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 15:21 +0000
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 19:10 +0200
                                  Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 11:56 +0300
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-23 11:44 +0000
                                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 01:05 +0000
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                            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-20 14:24 +0000
                              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-09-22 02:29 -0700
                                Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-22 18:45 +0000
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                              Re: quanta vs AI, not Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-20 00:59 +0000
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                    Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 16:18 +0000
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          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-18 02:41 +0000
            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:45 +0000
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                Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 01:19 +0000
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                      Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-19 19:01 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:47 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 11:02 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 14:50 +0300
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 15:35 +0300
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-20 15:33 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-19 23:44 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 01:01 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-20 05:53 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-21 08:36 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-21 12:19 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-23 10:24 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-23 12:42 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-23 12:32 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-23 16:35 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 00:53 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally   unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-24 03:34 +0100
                                  Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 03:05 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-24 10:58 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 17:17 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 20:28 +0000
                                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:15 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 14:11 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:00 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 12:17 -0700
                                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 01:33 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-24 17:38 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-24 18:02 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:16 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 11:38 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 18:23 +0000
                                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-25 21:39 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-25 19:57 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:14 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:12 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-11-04 09:43 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-04 15:51 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-20 14:02 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-20 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-09-20 17:29 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-20 12:32 -0700
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-18 10:41 +0200
            Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-18 20:41 +0000
              Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:43 +0000
              Re: Microsoft financials, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:18 +0200
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-18 20:57 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 23:45 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-19 09:27 +0200
      Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2024-09-17 21:57 -0700
        Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-18 06:46 +0000
          Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 15:51 +0000
            Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-09-18 16:28 +0000
              Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-18 17:00 +0000

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#108959

FromJosh Vanderhoof <x@y.z>
Date2024-09-20 19:08 -0400
Message-ID<ygn8qvl7wjf.fsf@y.z>
In reply to#108952
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 01:08:23 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>
>> If you can back up that claim (that noise in quantum computing comes
>> from "many worlds") ...
>
> No, I’m saying the opposite: the noise comes from the fact that “many 
> worlds” is nonsense.

I've never been a fan of many worlds but this kind of blew my mind when
it revealed how many worlds is like pilot wave theory without the
corpuscles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHW1zlstVk

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#108969

FromNiklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
Date2024-09-21 10:40 +0300
Message-ID<ll7bjeFm3ojU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#108952
On 2024-09-21 0:40, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 01:08:23 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
> 
>> If you can back up that claim (that noise in quantum computing comes
>> from "many worlds") ...
> 
> No, I’m saying the opposite: the noise comes from the fact that “many
> worlds” is nonsense.


Strange view of the world, that. Noise in quantum computing is a fact, 
but your opinion about "many worlds" is just that: an opinion, not a fact.

A view of the world in which opinions cause physical facts... no point 
in continuing the discussion. Bye.

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#109187

FromBGB <cr88192@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-24 17:08 -0500
Message-ID<vcvdb8$3c0is$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108901
On 9/19/2024 5:08 PM, Niklas Holsti wrote:
> On 2024-09-19 23:53, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:59:42 +0200, Terje Mathisen wrote:
>>
>>>  From my recent reading, it seems like factoring 21 (5 bits) requires at
>>> least 5+10=15 bits all staying entangled, plus a number of additional
>>> bits for error correction.
>>
>> The noise factor was something the original ideas about quantum computers
>> had not taken into account.
>>
>> But it’s pretty obvious why it happens: “quantum” computing was something
>> thought up by people who took the “many worlds” interpretation of quantum
>> theory just a little too seriously: if you could take advantage of
>> “superposition of states” to run your computation simultaneously across
>> multiple alternate universes, you could access a whole lot more computing
>> power!
>>
>> The reason why it doesn’t work is because of conservation of energy.
>> Accessing those hypothetical “alternate universes” requires spreading the
>> same amount of energy more thinly. And that’s where the noise comes from.
>> So ultimately there will be no way to get rid of it.
> 
> 
> If you can back up that claim (that noise in quantum computing comes 
> from "many worlds") with actual math, you will have proved that many- 
> worlds is true. That would be Nobel prize or two, right there. Go at it!
> 

I guess it is a question if this "noise" can be usefully distinguished 
from random noise.


Or if quantum computing can give answers "better" than classical 
computers using non-brute-force algorithms.

Like, we all know that brute force is slow; but sometimes something as 
simple as designing an algorithm to make use of a random number 
generator can be faster...

Person A: "Man, this search space is huge, brute force is implausible".

Person B: Writes an algorithm to generate random vectors, pick the ones 
that did best, then randomly mutate and recombine these vectors; then 
can maybe generate a usable answer within a much more modest timeframe.

...



But, then again, even if quantum computers work, they still will not 
have the sorts of features often portrayed in TV shows:
   Ability to transport people to/from virtual worlds TRON style (*1);
   Ability to pull off time travel or open wormholes between universes;
   Ability to instantly break any security scheme;
   ...

Many people would likely end up disappointed in any case.



*1: Well, excluding the shows where someone just falls into their TV 
like in the "Money for Nothing" music video...

Some variations:
   Get shot by laser (eg, "TRON");
     Or get shot by lightning from a machine;
   Get into a tube (eg, "Code Lyoko");
     Lay on medical bed and disappear into sparkles;
   Walk through a stargate looking thing into cyberspace;
     Fly in through a TV (various, "Captain N", "Arcade", ...);
   Being strapped in a spinning thing + VR headset ("Lawnmower Man")
     Or disappearing into the VR headset ("Virtual Boy" ads).
   ...

Maybe a person could come up with other variations using more "modern 
tech" (*cough* VFX):
   Turn big flat-screen TV sideways, walk through it;
     Maybe add lightning sparks out of the TV for extra effect;
   Or, combine laser with a spinning disco ball.
     Say, so the laser has some way to do a raster sweep.
   Pretty much anything spinning and/or glowing will work.
     More so if it has "quantum in the description..."
   ...

Say, the TV having "Quantum Dots" for extra effect...
Now needs a big swivel arm to lower the TV towards floor level and turn 
it sideways, while a "Resident Evil" style door-opening animation shows 
(leading to a tunnel like in "Coraline"), and the main VFX starts up, 
... (traveling into cyberspace via the "Data Return Path" in the HDMI 
cable, ...).

Dunno, maybe then battle giant insects where the bugs got bigger because 
they entered through a smartphone screen or something. Or a person 
dropped some chicken nuggets into their phone which then became the size 
of a car on the other side (and the various shards of cyberspace connect 
over the internet, each a different world populated based on the used 
and whatever sorts of entry/exits exist into that space).

...


Well, similar sort of stuff for the variants of "quantum computer" == 
"time machine", ...

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#109196

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-25 00:08 +0000
Message-ID<vcvk98$3co45$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#109187
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 17:08:25 -0500, BGB wrote:

> Or if quantum computing can give answers "better" than classical
> computers using non-brute-force algorithms.

This is why it’s worth distinguishing between “digital” and “analog” 
computers. Analog computers were quite popular in the earlier part of the 
20th century, back when digital computers were still quite slow. They 
could come up with quick answers to physical-simulation problems, albeit 
to limited accuracy.

For example, the Apollo Saturn-V rocket was controlled by a hybrid 
digital/analog computer system created by IBM, housed in the ring that 
coupled the third stage to the upper part with the CSM and LEM. The 
digital part computed where the rocket was supposed to go, but it could 
only solve the equations about once a second or so; it fed these numbers 
to the analog part, which could adjust the direction and thrust of the 
engines much more quickly than that, to keep the whole vehicle functioning 
properly and on course from millisecond to millisecond.

But anyway, the current “quantum” computers have shown some success 
solving “analog” style problems, but even the simplest “digital” type 
operation, namely something involving factorizing integers, has so far 
completely eluded them.

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#108881

Frommitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
Date2024-09-19 16:18 +0000
Message-ID<ecfb5169ab479116ac0a2c5a3034299a@www.novabbs.org>
In reply to#108869
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 9:35:41 +0000, David Brown wrote:

> On 19/09/2024 09:44, Niklas Holsti wrote:

> The practical limitations for quantum computers are far more
> significant.  Roughly speaking, when you entangle more states at once,
> you need tighter tolerances to maintain coherence, which translates to
> lower temperatures, higher energy costs, and lower times to do your
> calculations.  And to be useful, you need large numbers of qubits, which
> again makes maintaining coherence increasingly difficult.

One can say exactly the same about PAM4 signaling compared to NRZ or
even RZ coding.

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#108885

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-09-19 20:15 +0200
Message-ID<vchpou$lo31$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108881
On 19/09/2024 18:18, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 9:35:41 +0000, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> On 19/09/2024 09:44, Niklas Holsti wrote:
> 
>> The practical limitations for quantum computers are far more
>> significant.  Roughly speaking, when you entangle more states at once,
>> you need tighter tolerances to maintain coherence, which translates to
>> lower temperatures, higher energy costs, and lower times to do your
>> calculations.  And to be useful, you need large numbers of qubits, which
>> again makes maintaining coherence increasingly difficult.
> 
> One can say exactly the same about PAM4 signaling compared to NRZ or
> even RZ coding.

Yes.  It gets harder to have more signal levels per baud, and you need 
tighter tolerances, shorter lengths, less electrical noise, etc.

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#108807

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-18 02:54 +0300
Message-ID<20240918025451.0000558e@yahoo.com>
In reply to#108805
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:30:04 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:51 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
> 
> > Not many computer companies survive three failed architectures: has
> > that record been beaten?  
> 
> I think it’s fair to say that both Intel and Microsoft were companies
> more renowned for marketing prowess than actual technical brilliance.
> 
> And now that that marketing prowess is fading somewhat, both
> companies are suffering a bit from a marketplace that is changing
> faster than they can cope.

There are few things Intel would wish more than to "suffer"
financially like Microsoft.

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#108808

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-18 00:42 +0000
Message-ID<vcd7lo$3op6a$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108807
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:51 +0300, Michael S wrote:

> There are few things Intel would wish more than to "suffer"
> financially like Microsoft.

It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, but still the 
revenues from its Windows cash cow cannot be what they used to be, if you 
look at the declining level of investment Microsoft is putting back into 
its flagship OS.

Its game division is also undergoing a bit of an upheaval at the moment. 
Its own games are moving away from being exclusives to its own console 
platform.

And look at its ongoing unsuccessful attempts to port Windows to the ARM 
architecture.

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#108812 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2024-09-18 02:41 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcdele$293s$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#108808
According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid>:
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:51 +0300, Michael S wrote:
>
>> There are few things Intel would wish more than to "suffer"
>> financially like Microsoft.
>
>It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, ...

once again, why guess wrong when the real answer is easy to look up?

Microsoft gets about half of its revenue from cloud services. Last
year their revenue was $212 billion, net income $72 billion. Windows
is shrinking but Azure and both commercial and personal Office are
hugely profitable.

More info here: https://www.microsoft.com/investor/reports/ar23/index.html

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#108817 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-18 06:45 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcdstq$3vei1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108812
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:41:50 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

> According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid>:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:51 +0300, Michael S wrote:
>>
>>> There are few things Intel would wish more than to "suffer"
>>> financially like Microsoft.
>>
>> It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, ...
> 
> Windows is shrinking but Azure and both commercial and personal Office
> are hugely profitable.

That’s not disputing anything I said. No mention of games?

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#108841 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2024-09-18 20:37 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcfdld$525$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#108817
It appears that Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> said:
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:41:50 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>
>> According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid>:
>>
>>>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:51 +0300, Michael S wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are few things Intel would wish more than to "suffer"
>>>> financially like Microsoft.
>>>
>>> It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, ...
>> 
>> Windows is shrinking but Azure and both commercial and personal Office
>> are hugely profitable.
>
>That’s not disputing anything I said. 

Microsoft is stupendously profitable.  There is no plausible argument that they
will lose money any time in the forseeable future.

>No mention of games?

Well, you know, if you wanted to know rather than just argue, you could look it up.

This page may be helpful.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/earnings/FY-2024-Q4/IRFinancialStatementsPopups?tag=us-gaap:SegmentReportingDisclosureTextBlock&title=More%20Personal%20Computing

-- 
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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#108853 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-19 01:19 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcfu73$9bc9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108841
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:37:01 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

> It appears that Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> said:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:41:50 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>
>>> According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid>:
>>>>
>>>> It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, ...
>>> 
>>> Windows is shrinking but Azure and both commercial and personal Office
>>> are hugely profitable.
>>
>>That’s not disputing anything I said. 
> 
> Microsoft is stupendously profitable.

Take a closer look at what they’re profitable *in*. Microsoft 365 (not 
“Office” any more) is a rentware business. Azure is also a service 
business. And look at Windows itself, with attempts to insert adware/
rentware mechanisms into the OS. So you see this move away from one-off 
products sales towards ongoing payments.

Which is a classic sign of a company trying to squeeze more and more 
revenue out of a stagnant or declining user base.

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#108860 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-09-19 09:11 +0200
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcgiq7$fmaa$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108853
On 19/09/2024 03:19, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:37:01 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
> 
>> It appears that Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> said:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:41:50 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid>:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is true that Microsoft is not (yet) losing money, ...
>>>>
>>>> Windows is shrinking but Azure and both commercial and personal Office
>>>> are hugely profitable.
>>>
>>> That’s not disputing anything I said.
>>
>> Microsoft is stupendously profitable.
> 
> Take a closer look at what they’re profitable *in*. Microsoft 365 (not
> “Office” any more) is a rentware business. Azure is also a service
> business. And look at Windows itself, with attempts to insert adware/
> rentware mechanisms into the OS. So you see this move away from one-off
> products sales towards ongoing payments.
> 
> Which is a classic sign of a company trying to squeeze more and more
> revenue out of a stagnant or declining user base.

No, it is a classic sign of a company that has found a way to get a 
fairly stable revenue stream with a predictable path for the future.

When their main income was selling Windows and Office licenses, they 
were dependent on a continuously increasing market - that model was 
doomed as they approached saturation.  A subscription model does not 
have such limitations, even if the user base is not growing significantly.

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#108886 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromLynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2024-09-19 08:20 -1000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<87h6ab33p3.fsf@localhost>
In reply to#108860
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> No, it is a classic sign of a company that has found a way to get a
> fairly stable revenue stream with a predictable path for the future.
>
> When their main income was selling Windows and Office licenses, they
> were dependent on a continuously increasing market - that model was
> doomed as they approached saturation.  A subscription model does not
> have such limitations, even if the user base is not growing
> significantly.

1996 MSDC Moscone, all the banners said "Internet" ... but the constant
refrain in the sessions were protect your investment (data file embedded
VS Basic automagic execution, evolved in the days of small, safe,
business LANs ... but no new protections opening networking to the wild
anarchy of the internet).

MS employees were commenting that customers had been buying the latest
releases for the new features ... but it had reached the point where the
releases they were running now had 98% of the features they wanted (and
the company wasn't sure what to do next).

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#108888 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

Frommitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
Date2024-09-19 19:01 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<f48d31eaa3dda0667eff538fbee3b692@www.novabbs.org>
In reply to#108886
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:20:56 +0000, Lynn Wheeler wrote:

> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>> No, it is a classic sign of a company that has found a way to get a
>> fairly stable revenue stream with a predictable path for the future.
>>
>> When their main income was selling Windows and Office licenses, they
>> were dependent on a continuously increasing market - that model was
>> doomed as they approached saturation.  A subscription model does not
>> have such limitations, even if the user base is not growing
>> significantly.
>
> 1996 MSDC Moscone, all the banners said "Internet" ... but the constant
> refrain in the sessions were protect your investment (data file embedded
> VS Basic automagic execution, evolved in the days of small, safe,
> business LANs ... but no new protections opening networking to the wild
> anarchy of the internet).
>
> MS employees were commenting that customers had been buying the latest
> releases for the new features ... but it had reached the point where the
> releases they were running now had 98% of the features they wanted (and
> the company wasn't sure what to do next).

In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since 2003
and in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still better
than windows 10 or 11 or 12...

MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and sent
the employees home...

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#108908 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-19 23:47 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcid5u$ov66$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108888
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:34 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:

> In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since 2003 and
> in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still better than
> windows 10 or 11 or 12...

Would you entrust mission-criticial business operations to obsolete, 
unsupported software?

Open-source software is more responsive to community needs.

> MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and sent
> the employees home...

They’re going to charge businesses who want to stick with Windows 10 a 
steadily increasing support fee. Charging lots of money to those who want 
to stick with old versions of your proprietary software sounds like a 
business model with a much more promising future, don’t you think?

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#108926 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-09-20 11:02 +0200
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vcjdnf$11em1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108908
On 20/09/2024 01:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:34 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
> 
>> In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since 2003 and
>> in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still better than
>> windows 10 or 11 or 12...
> 
> Would you entrust mission-criticial business operations to obsolete,
> unsupported software?
> 

His suggestion was to /continue/ the support and updates for existing 
systems, rather than making new ones.

But would /I/ trust mission-critical business operations to Windows 7 
over Windows 11 ?  Well, I wouldn't trust it to anything Windows, but I 
certainly trust Windows 7 more than Windows 10 or 11.  The more useless 
crap added to the system, the more scope it has for failures or security 
issues.  (The only Windows systems I currently have are Windows 7.)

I am not sure I can think of anything I want to do on Windows, and which 
I can do with Windows 11 that I could not do with Windows 2000 - 
excluding running programs that refuse to run on earlier systems without 
good reason, or hardware that does not have drivers for older systems. 
(In Mitch's dream world where MS continued to support old systems, those 
would not be issues.)  There are a few things that newer Windows does 
better than older ones - it makes better use of more ram and more cores, 
for example.

> Open-source software is more responsive to community needs.

Absolutely.  It is not perfect either, but it is a lot better in many ways.

> 
>> MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and sent
>> the employees home...
> 
> They’re going to charge businesses who want to stick with Windows 10 a
> steadily increasing support fee. Charging lots of money to those who want
> to stick with old versions of your proprietary software sounds like a
> business model with a much more promising future, don’t you think?

MS can't make a business from supporting old software.  While there is a 
proportion of more technical people who are happy with "if it ain't 
broke, don't fix it", a much larger proportion of potential purchasers 
are in the "the latest is greatest" camp.

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#108928 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-20 14:50 +0300
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<20240920145026.00007cdb@yahoo.com>
In reply to#108926
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:02:39 +0200
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 20/09/2024 01:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:34 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
> >   
> >> In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since
> >> 2003 and in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still
> >> better than windows 10 or 11 or 12...  
> > 
> > Would you entrust mission-criticial business operations to obsolete,
> > unsupported software?
> >   
> 
> His suggestion was to /continue/ the support and updates for existing 
> systems, rather than making new ones.
> 
> But would /I/ trust mission-critical business operations to Windows 7 
> over Windows 11 ?  Well, I wouldn't trust it to anything Windows, but
> I certainly trust Windows 7 more than Windows 10 or 11.  The more
> useless crap added to the system, the more scope it has for failures
> or security issues.  (The only Windows systems I currently have are
> Windows 7.)
> 
> I am not sure I can think of anything I want to do on Windows, and
> which I can do with Windows 11 that I could not do with Windows 2000
> - excluding running programs that refuse to run on earlier systems
> without good reason, or hardware that does not have drivers for older
> systems. (In Mitch's dream world where MS continued to support old
> systems, those would not be issues.)  There are a few things that
> newer Windows does better than older ones - it makes better use of
> more ram and more cores, for example.
> 
> > Open-source software is more responsive to community needs.  
> 
> Absolutely.  It is not perfect either, but it is a lot better in many
> ways.
> 
> >   
> >> MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and
> >> sent the employees home...  
> > 
> > They’re going to charge businesses who want to stick with Windows
> > 10 a steadily increasing support fee. Charging lots of money to
> > those who want to stick with old versions of your proprietary
> > software sounds like a business model with a much more promising
> > future, don’t you think?  
> 
> MS can't make a business from supporting old software.  While there
> is a proportion of more technical people who are happy with "if it
> ain't broke, don't fix it", a much larger proportion of potential
> purchasers are in the "the latest is greatest" camp.
> 
> 

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#108930 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-20 15:35 +0300
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<20240920153505.00005ccb@yahoo.com>
In reply to#108926
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:02:39 +0200
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 20/09/2024 01:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:34 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
> >   
> >> In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since
> >> 2003 and in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still
> >> better than windows 10 or 11 or 12...  
> > 
> > Would you entrust mission-criticial business operations to obsolete,
> > unsupported software?
> >   
> 
> His suggestion was to /continue/ the support and updates for existing 
> systems, rather than making new ones.
> 
> But would /I/ trust mission-critical business operations to Windows 7 
> over Windows 11 ?  Well, I wouldn't trust it to anything Windows, but
> I certainly trust Windows 7 more than Windows 10 or 11.  The more
> useless crap added to the system, the more scope it has for failures
> or security issues.  (The only Windows systems I currently have are
> Windows 7.)
> 
> I am not sure I can think of anything I want to do on Windows, and
> which I can do with Windows 11 that I could not do with Windows 2000
> - excluding running programs that refuse to run on earlier systems
> without good reason, or hardware that does not have drivers for older
> systems. (In Mitch's dream world where MS continued to support old
> systems, those would not be issues.)  There are a few things that
> newer Windows does better than older ones - it makes better use of
> more ram and more cores, for example.
> 
> > Open-source software is more responsive to community needs.  
> 
> Absolutely.  It is not perfect either, but it is a lot better in many
> ways.
> 

In recent years, starting from ~2021, it's various Open Source software
(of various licenses, not just GPL) that is most bullish (or should I
call it "bearish" ?) about killing Windows7 (including WS2008).

For some of them (msys2) it's a nasty warning at startup plus purging
archives so you can't get older versions of tools via package manager.

For others (Firefox, Chrome) it forces you to freeze the version.
Sounds like not a bad thing in theory. But in practice web designers
feel bad when they don't introduce dependencies on the most latest
feature for two weeks after the feature appeared in either Chrome of
Safari.

For yet others (Go, Rust) the latest version of tools just crashes in
the most nasty manner, not giving to poor user the slightest hint for a
reason. Luckily, reasonably functional versions that run on Win7 are
available n their respective downloads archives. But the desired
version never marked clearly as last version supporting Win7, nor newer
versions marked as not supporting it.

The whole picture very match resembles of how mostly the same bodies
strangled WinXP 10 or so years ago. But back then, at least, they had a
technical justifications - several useful Win32 APIs were introduced in
Vista and few more in 7. This time similar justification do not appear
to exist. It's more like being evil for pure enjoyment of breaking
things.

> >   
> >> MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and
> >> sent the employees home...  
> > 
> > They’re going to charge businesses who want to stick with Windows
> > 10 a steadily increasing support fee. Charging lots of money to
> > those who want to stick with old versions of your proprietary
> > software sounds like a business model with a much more promising
> > future, don’t you think?  
> 
> MS can't make a business from supporting old software.  While there
> is a proportion of more technical people who are happy with "if it
> ain't broke, don't fix it", a much larger proportion of potential
> purchasers are in the "the latest is greatest" camp.
> 
> 

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#108937 — Re: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?

FromBrett <ggtgp@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-20 15:33 +0000
SubjectRe: Microsoft makes a lot of money, Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer?
Message-ID<vck4jg$15j7d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#108926
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> On 20/09/2024 01:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:34 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
>> 
>>> In particular, MS has not added anything I want in Office since 2003 and
>>> in the OS in particular since 2005. Windows 7 is still better than
>>> windows 10 or 11 or 12...
>> 
>> Would you entrust mission-criticial business operations to obsolete,
>> unsupported software?
>> 
> 
> His suggestion was to /continue/ the support and updates for existing 
> systems, rather than making new ones.
> 
> But would /I/ trust mission-critical business operations to Windows 7 
> over Windows 11 ?  Well, I wouldn't trust it to anything Windows, but I 
> certainly trust Windows 7 more than Windows 10 or 11.  The more useless 
> crap added to the system, the more scope it has for failures or security 
> issues.  (The only Windows systems I currently have are Windows 7.)


The one hidden gotcha with Windows 7 is that you need to run “Disk Cleanup”
yearly to remove the slowdown codes, else your computer will turn into a
snail, slow to respond to even keystrokes and mouse movements.

Hit the clean system files button and select ALL options.

Prepare to be surprised at how fast Windows 7 becomes after cleaning.

This applies to all versions of Windows, Microsoft and its vendors want you
to upgrade every five years.

> I am not sure I can think of anything I want to do on Windows, and which 
> I can do with Windows 11 that I could not do with Windows 2000 - 
> excluding running programs that refuse to run on earlier systems without 
> good reason, or hardware that does not have drivers for older systems. 
> (In Mitch's dream world where MS continued to support old systems, those 
> would not be issues.)  There are a few things that newer Windows does 
> better than older ones - it makes better use of more ram and more cores, 
> for example.
> 
>> Open-source software is more responsive to community needs.
> 
> Absolutely.  It is not perfect either, but it is a lot better in many ways.
> 
>> 
>>> MS would make more money by allowing old OSs to keep running and sent
>>> the employees home...
>> 
>> They’re going to charge businesses who want to stick with Windows 10 a
>> steadily increasing support fee. Charging lots of money to those who want
>> to stick with old versions of your proprietary software sounds like a
>> business model with a much more promising future, don’t you think?
> 
> MS can't make a business from supporting old software.  While there is a 
> proportion of more technical people who are happy with "if it ain't 
> broke, don't fix it", a much larger proportion of potential purchasers 
> are in the "the latest is greatest" camp.

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