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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.arch.embedded |
| Subject | Re: Diagnostics |
| Date | 2024-10-19 16:26 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vf1f85$2su4$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 10/19/2024 12:58 PM, George Neuner wrote: > On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:05:14 -0700, Don Y >> But, "due diligence" can insulate the manufacturer, to some extent. >> No one ever *admits* to "doing a bad job". > > Actually due diligence /can't/ insulate a manufacturer if the issue > goes to trial. Members of a jury may feel sorry for the litigant(s), > or conclude that the manufacturer can afford whatever they award ... > or maybe they just don't like the manufacturer's lawyer. You missed my "to some extent" qualifier. It allows you to make the case /to that jury/ that you *thought* about the potential problems and made a concerted attempt to address them. Contrast that with "Didn't it occur to the manufacturer that a customer might LIKELY use their device in THIS manner, resulting in THESE sorts of problems?" You can never understand how a device can be "misapplied". But, not making ANY attempt to address "off label" uses is sure to result in a hostile attitude from those judging your behavior: "So, you made HOW MUCH money off this product and still couldn't afford the time/effort to have considered these issues?" "Small fish" are seldom targeted by such lawsuits as they have few assets and can fold without consequences to their owners. > Unlike judges, juries do /not/ have to justify their decisions, > Moreover, in some US juridictions, the decision of a civil case need > not be unanimous but only that of a quorum. > >> If your doorbell malfunctions, what "damages" are you going >> to claim? If your garage door doesn't open when commanded? >> If your yard doesn't get watered? If you weren't promptly >> notified that the mail had just been delivered? Or, that >> the compressor in the freezer had failed and your foodstuffs >> had spoiled, as a result? >> >> The costs of litigation are reasonably high. Lawyers want >> to see the LIKELIHOOD of a big payout before entertaining >> such litigation. > > So they created the "class action", where all the litigants > individually may have very small claims, but when put together the > total becomes significant. But you still have to demonstrate a loss. And, be able to argue some particular value to that loss. "Well, MAYBE Publishers' Clearinghouse came to my house to give me that oversized/cartoon check but the doorbell MIGHT not have rung. So, I want '$3000/week for life' as compensation..."
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Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:49 -0700
Re: Diagnostics David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-10-19 14:07 +0200
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Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 19:15 +0200
Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 01:25 +0000
Re: Diagnostics David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-10-19 13:57 +0200
Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 15:15 -0700
Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 03:00 +0000
Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:05 -0700
Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 13:53 +0000
Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-19 09:55 -0700
Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 16:34 +0000
Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:28 -0700
Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-19 15:58 -0400
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Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 20:08 +0200
Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 19:11 +0200
Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-20 15:44 -0400
Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 23:14 +0200
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