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Re: Diagnostics

From antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Diagnostics
Date 2024-10-19 01:50 +0000
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Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/18/2024 2:42 PM, George Neuner wrote:
> 
>>  To ensure 100%
>> functionality at all times effectively requires use of redundant
>> hardware - which generally is too expensive for a non safety critical
>> device.
> 
> Apparently, there is noise about incorporating such hardware into
> *automotive* designs (!).  I would have thought the time between
> POSTs would have rendered that largely ineffective.  OTOH, if
> you imagine a failure can occur ANY time, then "just after
> putting the car in gear" is as good (bad!) a time as any!

TI for several years has nice processors with two cores, which
are almost in sync, but one is something like one cycle behind
the other.  And there is circuitry to compare that both cores
produce the same result.  This does not cover failures of the
whole chip, but dramaticaly lowers chance of undetected erros due
to some transient condition.

For critical functions a car could have 3 processors with
voting circuitry.  With separate chips this would be more expensive
than single processor, but increase of cost probably would be
negligible compared to cost of the whole car.  And when integrated
on a single chip cost difference would be tiny.

IIUC car controller may "reboot" during a ride.  Intead of
rebooting it could handle work to a backup controller.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-12 12:58 -0700
  Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-18 20:30 +0000
    Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-18 17:42 -0400
      Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 15:30 -0700
        Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 01:50 +0000
          Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 19:38 -0700
            Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 03:53 +0000
              Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:17 -0700
                Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 17:52 +0000
                Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:49 -0700
        Re: Diagnostics David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-10-19 14:07 +0200
        Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-19 15:25 -0400
          Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-19 14:32 -0700
            Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-23 05:53 -0700
        Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 19:15 +0200
      Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 01:25 +0000
      Re: Diagnostics David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-10-19 13:57 +0200
    Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 15:15 -0700
      Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 03:00 +0000
        Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:05 -0700
          Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-19 13:53 +0000
            Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-19 09:55 -0700
              Re: Diagnostics antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 16:34 +0000
                Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:28 -0700
          Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-19 15:58 -0400
            Re: Diagnostics Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2024-10-19 16:26 -0700
              Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 20:08 +0200
          Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 19:11 +0200
            Re: Diagnostics George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2024-10-20 15:44 -0400
              Re: Diagnostics Nioclásán Caileán de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2024-10-20 23:14 +0200

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