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Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> Crawford Sausage Company <mea@brandylion.com> wrote:
> 
>> Interesting.  I could see this possibly be useful for a TV commercial
>> say instead of match.com they could advertise it as match.date.  T
>> hat has problems because .com has been synonymous with root for
>> as long as there has been a web.  If a commercial has to inform you
>> that match.dat is a valid url it may defeat these new TLD's entire 
>> purpose, simplicity  Even .org and .net don't get used much.
> 
> It's been tried...
> 
> http://domainnamewire.com/2015/02/03/see-buzz-domain-name-on-wheel-of-fortune/
> 
> My problem is I never considered a domain name as the guide to what is
> underneath the surface. I mean a long time ago when this shit all started,
> if you wanted to put up a website/blog about playing poker, getting the
> domain name of poker.com, playingpoker.com or similar, you did have a leg up
> on being found.
> 
> These days, it just doesn't work that way. Even here, last week when you put
> up the post about the gyros at that Georges place, never heard of it and
> wanted to see what they had.
> 
> You mentioned Cortland and Damen, pulled that up on the Maps program, a
> building with "Georges Hot Dogs" and an "I" (for info) was there, click/tap
> that, showed the full name, address and phone along with a yelp link. Click
> on the link, yelp shows the reveiws, some pictures and the URL of the place.
> One more click, there you are on their website.
> 
> The domain name didn't have anything to do with it. He could be using
> deathbyslowpoison.com or ourketchupreallysucks.com, but it wouldn't of made
> any difference to me with the way I tracked them down.
> 
> And that's my point, if we decided to start registering .hotdogs as a top
> level domain, is that really going to help anything with him and his
> business. I mean him having http://georges.hotdogs for his website is a
> novelty item, but that's about it.
> 
>> To companies like Apple it would be loose change in the couch to
>> purchase .apple, or ibm purchasing .ibm.  There may be value in
>> that since those corporations can divvy out domains to partners
>> and when those partners stop being partners they can take them
>> away because they own the entire namespace.  So if you went to
>> say newegg.apple it would present a page that lists all the top
>> deals at newegg for apple products.  That could be useful.
> 
> Yeah if doing that becomes "a thing". I just don't see it. If I wanted to
> get a new iPod or iPad, I'd probably start with a search for "iXxx on sale"
> or something and not sit here typing in sears.apple, walmart.apple,
> costco.apple and what other vendors (even if I knew all of them) to see what
> they had.
> 
> Even if apple listed them on a page to go through, the url of where you are
> going to is irrelevant. They can do that now going the other way around,
> 
> sears.apple.com
> costco.apple.com
> walmart.apple.com
> 
> or they mix it up the other way, sears can do a apple.sears.com and costco
> can do apple.costco.com. It doesn't help because it's not "a thing".
> 
> At one time, when people used to sit around typing in random domain names to
> see what was there, fine. But these days with google, bing, yahoo,
> duckduckgo and hundreds of other search engines, again I just don't see
> where (or how clever) the domain name is, that it's going to make a
> difference.
> 
> Just now for yucks I typed in
> 
> bestgyrosinchicago.com
> 
> and there is nothing there, no server/host, checked whois, no such domain
> name is registered.
> 
> Why not? For the $12 or so you can own it, but is it worth anything to
> anyone?
> 
> Now in the search box, type in "best gyros in chicago" and what comes back?
> 
> chicagoist.com
> cbslocal.com
> thrillist.com
> chicago.eater.com
> yelp.com
> tripadvisor.com
> 
> The first hit that isn't a review site is on page 2, "Jesters Fast Food
> Restaurants". They aren't even in fucking Chicago.
> 
> All this boils down to is the domain name, what top level it's under just
> doesn't make a difference in the real world. It's a vanity thing and nothing
> else.
> 
> True story:
> 
> Back when Ripco was just starting out and we were ordering the hardware and
> trying to figure out things (no inet connection, just talk), the domain name
> to call it came up for discussion. Naturally I didn't see anything else to
> call it except ripco.com.
> 
> Nope, the other guys that were there just didn't think it was a good idea,
> people would think it meant rip off company, if they used the email for
> business it would be embarassing. So they talked me out of it.
> 
> Back then domain names, besides being free were registered by email to the
> internic, usually handled by the upstream provider, in our case it was uunet
> technologies.
> 
> So we filed for rci.com
> 
> Couple weeks later (yes it used to take weeks, sometimes months to get a
> domain name), I was in the office by myself when uunet calls. The guy on the
> phone says the application for rci.com got turned down because it was
> already registered and "in use". He wanted to know if we had an alternate.
> 
> My kneejerk response was going to be "we'll call you back" because it needed
> to have "a meeting" to figure it out but then I'm thinking, what the fuck
> does it really matter, it's not what you call it but how reliable the
> service and performance is going to be, so I told him to file for ripco.com.
> 
> If there was someone out there not wanting to do business with us because of
> the name, fuck them, I wouldn't want to do business with them for that
> reason.
> 
> So here it is, like 22 or 23 years later and pretty much the last man
> standing. If we would of done better with rci.com, I don't see where and
> how.
> 
> -bruce
> bje@ripco.com

Nice research on the results for the hod dogs and gyros. The "most badass" 
domain we snatched up years ago when things were still free was 
"glass.com". That thing was going to make money, and everybody was going 
to get rich. Then you had to pay for stuff and somebody forgot to renew 
it, and we lost it. We also "lost" a /16 too, back when that shit was free 
too, if you asked.

Take a look at glass.com these days. Any money spent registering that 
domain would have been a loss of the $5 it cost back then.

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