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  Electricity usage site Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 21:15 -0800
    Re: Electricity usage site Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-11 17:39 +1100
      Re: Electricity usage site Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 23:16 -0800
      Re: Electricity usage site Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 19:01 +1100
      Re: Electricity usage site Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-12 02:20 +0000
      Re: Electricity usage site Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-02-14 00:35 +1100
    Re: Electricity usage site Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 19:18 +1100
    Re: Electricity usage site Tony <nomail@nospam.com> - 2017-02-12 18:09 +0800
      Re: Electricity usage site Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 03:18 -0800
      Re: Electricity usage site Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-17 20:09 +1100
    Re: Electricity usage site bruce56@topmail.co.nz - 2017-04-29 18:52 -0700

#32575 — Electricity usage site

Hi,


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity. 


https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard


The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours. 

The variations in spot price are insane !! 

Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.



....   Phil 

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#32583

On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>
> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
> The variations in spot price are insane !!
> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
variability in consumption.

I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
than turning on the A/C.

Clifford Heath.

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#32584

Clifford Heath wrote:
>
> On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
>
>
> > this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
> >
> > https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
> > The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
> > The variations in spot price are insane !!
> > Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
> 
> Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
> pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
> get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
> to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
> it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
> variability in consumption.
> 
> I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
> than turning on the A/C.
> 
>

** To be fair, the spot price varies by around 100 to 1 while demand only varies by an understandable 2 or 3 to 1. 

The anomaly is being created by the bidding system itself. 



.... Phil 

   

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#32587

On 11/02/2017 5:39 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
>> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in
>> MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>>
>> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
>>
>> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
>> The variations in spot price are insane !!
>> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
>
> Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
> pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
> get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
> to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
> it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
> variability in consumption.
>
> I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
> than turning on the A/C.

It's not as if the retailers are paying that price for all their power, 
even during the peak.

Sylvia.

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#32612

On 2017-02-11, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> wrote:
> On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
>> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>>
>> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
>> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
>> The variations in spot price are insane !!
>> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
>
> Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
> pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
> get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
> to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
> it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
> variability in consumption.
>
> I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
> than turning on the A/C.

maybe 3 days a week... else the neighbours sprinkler?

-- 
This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software 

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#32655

On 11/02/2017 17:39, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
>> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in
>> MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>>
>> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
>>
>> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
>> The variations in spot price are insane !!
>> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
>
> Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
> pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
> get a display that showed what your retail spot price was.

If you want to, you may be able to do that:
http://www.repositpower.com/
To participate in the market you would need to be in the right area to 
deal with the energy retailer that they use. You don't need to install a 
battery to use their system, and using their metering system for a while 
would gather the information that would tell you what size of battery 
makes economic sense for you (if any), with your consumption habits etc.

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#32589

On 11/02/2017 4:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>
>
> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
>
>
> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
>
> The variations in spot price are insane !!
>
> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
>

**That's what you get when we allow short-sighted governments to sell 
our critical infrastructure. We voted for the cunts. We got what we 
deserve. The Greens fought against the sell-offs, but no one voted for 
them.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#32620

On 11-Feb-17 1:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.
>
>
> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
>
>
> The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
>
> The variations in spot price are insane !!
>
> Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
>
>
>
> ....   Phil
>
>
>
>
This is interesting, thanks.
So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices 
become negative. Do you get paid for using electricity?


Tony

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#32621

Tony wrote:

> 
>
> So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices 
> become negative.
>

** Didn't happened in NSW.

  For a split second it happened in VIC



.....    Phil 

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#32759

> So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices
> become negative. Do you get paid for using electricity?

Not so unreasonable. It goes negative because it costs a lot to reduce 
the output of a coal-fired power station, and those stations can be only 
run at full output if the grid will accept it. Consequently such 
stations are willing to pay for the privilege of continuing to deliver 
power.

Sylvia.

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#33272

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 1:15:24 PM UTC+8, Phil Allison wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity. 
> 
> 
> https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

Also similar sites for gas:
Eastern states
http://www.gasbb.com.au/
WA
https://gbbwa.aemo.com.au/#home

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