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| Started by | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| First post | 2017-03-16 15:12 +1100 |
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OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 15:12 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-16 16:39 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Chris <c@b.a> - 2017-03-17 14:33 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-17 20:29 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-17 21:20 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 04:12 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-17 23:12 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-19 22:00 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-20 08:18 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-20 08:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-20 20:47 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-21 16:47 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 19:41 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-28 00:02 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 03:30 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 15:43 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 17:24 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 22:09 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 08:27 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 11:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 11:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 13:28 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 15:22 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 17:19 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-28 17:28 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 16:44 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 20:16 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-03-28 22:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 05:20 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 06:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:34 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 22:00 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 22:37 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 05:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 06:07 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:35 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-28 19:21 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:37 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-29 04:43 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 19:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 21:52 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 03:14 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 10:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 21:53 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-29 22:48 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 03:17 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 05:03 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-01 20:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 03:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-02 14:55 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 16:06 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-28 14:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 16:44 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-28 18:42 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:07 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:51 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 19:33 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-16 19:40 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 19:55 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net> - 2017-03-17 07:38 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-16 22:12 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-16 10:04 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:28 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 10:39 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:54 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 11:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 17:24 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 12:58 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:24 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 14:45 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:42 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-16 22:17 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:39 +1100
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 15:12 +1100 |
| Subject | OT: Snowy Hydro |
| Message-ID | <eiuhm4F923eU1@mid.individual.net> |
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe he was misquoted. That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. Sylvia.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 16:39 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <eiun40F9vgrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #32999 |
On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> > > > "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour > expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, > but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. > > I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe > he was misquoted. > > That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so much > water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power > output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used for base > load - it would empty its reservoirs. > > Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only > during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That wouldn't use much > of the water in the scheme of things, but I seriously question whether > the proposal is the cheapest solution. > > Sylvia. **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to work and provide electricity at competitive prices. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | Chris <c@b.a> |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 14:33 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <oaflen$f9l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #33000 |
On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >> >> >> >> >> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >> Turnbull] said. >> >> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >> Maybe he was misquoted. >> >> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >> >> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >> >> Sylvia. > > **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the > Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine > in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about > nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 > years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to > go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the > pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, > Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to > work and provide electricity at competitive prices. They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity without extra earthworks... https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... -- Cheers, Chris.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 20:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ej1ov6Fsj7mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33018 |
On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: > On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>> Turnbull] said. >>> >>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>> >>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>> >>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. > > They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity > without extra earthworks... > > https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf > > That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy source. Fuckwits. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 21:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <58cbb853$0$10743$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #33024 |
Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>> Turnbull] said. >>>> >>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>> >>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>> >>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >> >> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity >> without extra earthworks... >> >> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >> >> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... > > **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the > Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a > distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy > source. Fuckwits. > What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely no drawbacks they would jump on them.
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| From | Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 04:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <463b565a-98f4-4c2d-bed3-b43fda336f9e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #33025 |
F Murtz wrote: > > >> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... > > > > **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the > > Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a > > distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy > > source. Fuckwits. > > > > What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely > no drawbacks they would jump on them. > ** TW has a bit of a point, Liberals are confirmed supporters of the status quo - mostly because doing the opposite has so often proved a recipe for disaster. OTOH, a proven source of cheap, renewable energy would be jumped on by entrepreneurial business types like a rabid sea gull on a pile of smoking hot chips. Cos there is a bucketful of money to be made replacing all the existing infrastructure. Maybe digging *real deep* into the earths core is the go .... Greenies would have heart attacks at the very thought. .... Phil
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 23:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ej22h9F11kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33025 |
On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: > Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>> >>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>> >>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>> >>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity >>> without extra earthworks... >>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>> >>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >> >> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >> source. Fuckwits. >> > > > What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely > no drawbacks they would jump on them. **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 22:00 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ej7a6lF1l5dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33030 |
On 3/17/2017 10:12 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: >> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>>> >>>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >>>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>>> >>>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity >>>> without extra earthworks... >>>> >>>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>>> >>>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >>> >>> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >>> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >>> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >>> source. Fuckwits. >>> >> >> >> What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely >> no drawbacks they would jump on them. > > **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, > the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, > they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of > Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. > Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You > don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? > > Hmm its a Labor government up here in Queensland pushing the project as hard as they can.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 08:18 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ej8b7oF8dqtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33040 |
On 19/03/2017 11:00 PM, keithr0 wrote: > On 3/17/2017 10:12 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: >>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>>>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >>>>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>>>> >>>>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the >>>>> capacity >>>>> without extra earthworks... >>>>> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>>>> >>>>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >>>> >>>> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >>>> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >>>> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >>>> source. Fuckwits. >>>> >>> >>> >>> What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely >>> no drawbacks they would jump on them. >> >> **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, >> the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, >> they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of >> Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. >> Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You >> don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? >> >> > Hmm its a Labor government up here in Queensland pushing the project as > hard as they can. **The Feds are the ones who can stop it, by refusing to give a billion Dollars to Indian con-men. And yes, your moronic leader is pushing it hard. She is knot known for her enormous intellect. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 08:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ej8d9rF8rm8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33043 |
On 20/03/2017 8:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 19/03/2017 11:00 PM, keithr0 wrote: >> On 3/17/2017 10:12 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: >>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>>>>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>>>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant >>>>>>> Sunshine >>>>>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>>>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>>>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>>>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>>>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>>>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>>>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>>>>> >>>>>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the >>>>>> capacity >>>>>> without extra earthworks... >>>>>> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>>>>> >>>>>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >>>>> >>>>> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >>>>> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >>>>> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >>>>> source. Fuckwits. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with >>>> absolutely >>>> no drawbacks they would jump on them. >>> >>> **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, >>> the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, >>> they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of >>> Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. >>> Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You >>> don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? >>> >>> >> Hmm its a Labor government up here in Queensland pushing the project as >> hard as they can. > > **The Feds are the ones who can stop it, by refusing to give a billion > Dollars to Indian con-men. And yes, your moronic leader is pushing it > hard. She is knot known for her enormous intellect. > > **"Knot"? [Smacks head] -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 20:47 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ej9qa9FgsatU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33043 |
On 3/20/2017 7:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 19/03/2017 11:00 PM, keithr0 wrote: >> On 3/17/2017 10:12 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: >>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>>>>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>>>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant >>>>>>> Sunshine >>>>>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>>>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>>>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>>>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>>>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>>>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>>>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>>>>> >>>>>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the >>>>>> capacity >>>>>> without extra earthworks... >>>>>> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>>>>> >>>>>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >>>>> >>>>> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >>>>> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >>>>> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >>>>> source. Fuckwits. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with >>>> absolutely >>>> no drawbacks they would jump on them. >>> >>> **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, >>> the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, >>> they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of >>> Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. >>> Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You >>> don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? >>> >>> >> Hmm its a Labor government up here in Queensland pushing the project as >> hard as they can. > > **The Feds are the ones who can stop it, by refusing to give a billion > Dollars to Indian con-men. And yes, your moronic leader is pushing it > hard. She is knot known for her enormous intellect. > > The Qld government could stop it too. It ain't just the liberals pushing it, Labor see a lot of votes in additional jobs in a depressed area.
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| From | Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 16:47 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <9af1dc9er1j7g3gp2p3docm3rk7a42198m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33040 |
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote: >On 3/17/2017 10:12 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/03/2017 9:20 PM, F Murtz wrote: >>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/03/2017 2:33 PM, Chris wrote: >>>>> On 16/03/2017 4:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 16/03/2017 3:12 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/snowy-hydro-scheme-funding-boost-to-secure-electricity-supply/8358502> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>>>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian >>>>>>> Government, but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr >>>>>>> Turnbull] said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. >>>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>>>>> much water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher >>>>>>> power output, it can do so for less time. That is why it's not used >>>>>>> for base load - it would empty its reservoirs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation >>>>>>> only during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. That >>>>>>> wouldn't use much of the water in the scheme of things, but I >>>>>>> seriously question whether the proposal is the cheapest solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Yep, it's fucked, but we're stuck with those neanderthals in the >>>>>> Lieberal Party. They'll do ANYTHING, except use the abundant Sunshine >>>>>> in this country to generate electricity. They're even talking about >>>>>> nukes for fuck's sake! The US has finally managed to safely bury 2 >>>>>> years' worth of high level waste. Only 48 years' worth of waste to >>>>>> go... I'd be happy with nukes, provided they bury the waste in the >>>>>> pollie's backyards. Still, they won't discuss, geo-thermal, >>>>>> Solar/thermal or Solar PV/battery systems. All have been shown to >>>>>> work and provide electricity at competitive prices. >>>>> >>>>> They could put these at the bottom of the dams to increase the capacity >>>>> without extra earthworks... >>>>> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/kschkcf >>>>> >>>>> That's if the dams are deep enough to be useful... >>>> >>>> **Interesting concept. Dig deep enough and you'll realise that the >>>> Lieberals are wedded to fossil fuels and nukes. Anything else is a >>>> distraction. for some reason, they cannot abide a non-polluting energy >>>> source. Fuckwits. >>>> >>> >>> >>> What rot, if you showed workable, cheaper, alternatives with absolutely >>> no drawbacks they would jump on them. >> >> **The cheaper, less polluting alternatives are already here. Instead, >> the Lieberals continue to provide subsidies to fossil fuels. Hell, >> they're actually considering giving a billion Dollars to a bunch of >> Indian con-men to mine coal in Qld! Like that's going to end well. >> Trouble is, the coal industry gives lots of money to the Lieberals. You >> don't have a problem with that? Can you spell 'conflict of interests'? >> >> >Hmm its a Labor government up here in Queensland pushing the project as >hard as they can. Adani does not care whether the government is Liberal or Labor. They are happy to bribe anybody. Getup has summarised some of their misdeeds here <http://tinyurl.com/qj6ppev>. Getup is biased but they provide evidence to back up their claims.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-27 19:41 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejs1v9F5gcsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33050 |
IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they should go and fuck themselves.
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 00:02 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <obb2ba$7og$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33064 |
On 27/03/2017 7:41 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to > keep Hazelwood going, That means an entirely new plant. > because its right next to brown coal > that is useless for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't > like that, they should go and fuck themselves. leave it in the ground and in a few million years, with a bit of luck, it will turn into black coal and won't be quite so useless. As it is, brown coal is coal that's not quite aged long enough. Like a good wine, it should be left to age a little more. Then future generations can derive the benefit, if any, from it. -- Xeno
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 03:30 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejst1nFb1riU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33065 |
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >> Hazelwood going, > That means an entirely new plant. Bullshit. Stuff like that doesn’t all stop being viable at once. >> because its right next to brown coal that is useless for anything else, >> and if fools like Trevor don't >> like that, they should go and fuck themselves. > leave it in the ground and in a few million years, with a bit of luck, it > will turn into black coal and won't be quite so useless. Brown coal is fine for power generation. > As it is, brown coal is coal that's not quite aged long enough. Its nothing like that black and white and there is no point in waiting for millions of years even if it was true, and it isnt. There is plenty of much better quality coal in this country right now and it should be exported to those who want it and not by Indian spivs and con men either. > Like a good wine, it should be left to age a little more. Even sillier than you usually manage. Even the krauts arent that stupid. > Then future generations can derive the benefit, if any, from it. We have plenty of better coal available right now for what its useful for.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 15:43 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ejubfiFjjgdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33066 |
On 3/28/2017 2:30 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote >> Rod Speed wrote > >>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>> Hazelwood going, > >> That means an entirely new plant. > > Bullshit. Stuff like that doesn’t all stop being viable at once. Its a clapped out old wreck that would cost more to fix than its worth. Thats why its owner wants to junk it.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 17:24 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejuebhFk3u4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33073 |
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>> Hazelwood going, >>> That means an entirely new plant. >> Bullshit. Stuff like that doesn’t all stop being viable at once. > Its a clapped out old wreck that would cost more to fix than its worth. That’s a pig ignorant lie. > Thats why its owner wants to junk it. How odd that they couldn’t work that out when they bought it.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 22:09 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ejv24bFo2dlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33077 |
On 3/28/2017 4:24 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote >> Rod Speed wrote >>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote >>>> Rod Speed wrote > >>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>> Hazelwood going, > >>>> That means an entirely new plant. > >>> Bullshit. Stuff like that doesn’t all stop being viable at once. > >> Its a clapped out old wreck that would cost more to fix than its worth. > > That’s a pig ignorant lie. Well as an ignorant pig, I suppose that you should be familiar with such lies. If it is such a viable operation, why are its owners willing to walk away and take a loss? >> Thats why its owner wants to junk it. > > How odd that they couldn’t work that out when they bought it. They wouldn't be the first to buy a dud.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 08:27 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejteprFekd3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33064 |
On 27/03/2017 7:41 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to > keep Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal > that is useless for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't > like that, they should go and fuck themselves. **Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use anywhere. Hazelwood must be shut down. In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, since it was sold and shut down by a private company. Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 11:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejtnp6Fg9d7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33067 |
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless for >> anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they should go >> and fuck themselves. > Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use anywhere. Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for anything but power generation and so should be used for that. > Hazelwood must be shut down. Even sillier than you usually manage. > In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, Wrong, as always. > since it was sold and shut down by a private company. But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. > Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. > THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. You are just plain wrong, as always.
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