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  WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 18:52 +1100
    Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 20:46 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 21:53 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-09 20:46 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 05:28 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 06:19 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-11 23:43 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 04:41 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 10:26 +1100
                    Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 14:56 +1100
                      Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:00 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:12 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-11 23:39 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 04:38 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 16:01 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:06 +1100
                    Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-14 20:47 +1100
                      Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 04:02 +1100
                      Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 07:05 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-12 08:26 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-13 16:01 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 16:54 +1100
                    Re: WikiLeaks SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2017-03-14 20:12 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 05:07 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-14 08:47 +1100
      Re: WikiLeaks "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-10 01:41 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 04:21 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 05:30 +1100
        Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:14 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:30 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 08:59 +1100
          Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 13:41 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 14:53 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:17 +1100
            Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-10 15:32 +1000
              Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-10 17:21 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-10 17:35 +1000
                  Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 19:52 +1100
                    Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:13 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:25 +1100
                    Re: WikiLeaks Allan Barker <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-12 22:20 +1000
                  Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:09 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-10 19:55 +1100
                  Re: WikiLeaks Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-11 08:19 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:22 +1100
              Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 20:20 +1100
                Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 07:00 +0000
      Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 06:32 +0000
        Re: WikiLeaks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 19:46 +1100
    Re: WikiLeaks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-11 06:56 +0000
      Re: WikiLeaks Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 21:55 +1100

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#59182

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:26:01 +1100, Jeßus wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:39:01 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>> address's.
>>>>
>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>> 
>>> Not true.
>>
>>They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues plus monitor
>>their plans. The point is do they keep it or delete it?
>>
>>The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't so a
>>safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
> 
> Actually, I can be fairly confident that my current VPN doesn't keep
> logs:
> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/03/18/criminal-complaint-reveals-private-internet-access-doesnt-log/

What I am betting is they keep logs but delete them regularly.

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#59183

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:01:48 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:26:01 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:39:01 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>>> address's.
>>>>>
>>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>>> 
>>>> Not true.
>>>
>>>They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues plus monitor
>>>their plans. The point is do they keep it or delete it?
>>>
>>>The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't so a
>>>safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
>> 
>> Actually, I can be fairly confident that my current VPN doesn't keep
>> logs:
>> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/03/18/criminal-complaint-reveals-private-internet-access-doesnt-log/
>
>What I am betting is they keep logs but delete them regularly.

Any country requiring they keep logs they shut down in that country
The FBI found and proved they don't have logs
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59191

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:54:21 +1100, Petzl wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:01:48 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:26:01 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:39:01 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>>>> address's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not true.
>>>>
>>>>They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues plus monitor
>>>>their plans. The point is do they keep it or delete it?
>>>>
>>>>The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't so a
>>>>safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
>>> 
>>> Actually, I can be fairly confident that my current VPN doesn't keep
>>> logs:
>>> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/03/18/criminal-complaint-reveals-private-internet-access-doesnt-log/
>>
>>What I am betting is they keep logs but delete them regularly.
> 
> Any country requiring they keep logs they shut down in that country
> The FBI found and proved they don't have logs

The FBI did not find or prove anything about this, what the FBI accepted is
that "we notified the agent that we do not log any user activity. The agent
confirmed his understanding of our company’s policy and position and then
pursued alternative leads.”

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#59187

"SolomonW" <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote in message 
news:11eko3wo6w1df.14x0eylfeaj2y$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:26:01 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:39:01 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>>> address's.
>>>>>
>>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>>>
>>>> Not true.
>>>
>>>They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues plus 
>>>monitor
>>>their plans. The point is do they keep it or delete it?
>>>
>>>The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't so 
>>>a
>>>safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
>>
>> Actually, I can be fairly confident that my current VPN doesn't keep
>> logs:
>> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/03/18/criminal-complaint-reveals-private-internet-access-doesnt-log/
>
> What I am betting is they keep logs but delete them regularly.

I'm sure they don't have logs unless they are actually a CIA etc honeypot. 

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#59188

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:01:48 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:26:01 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:39:01 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:12:52 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:46:42 +1100, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:53:51 +1100, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VPN's do not keep logs so they can never be contacted via abuse
>>>>>> address's.
>>>>>
>>>>>all VPNs keep logs
>>>> 
>>>> Not true.
>>>
>>>They have as they need it for troubleshooting technical issues plus monitor
>>>their plans. The point is do they keep it or delete it?
>>>
>>>The worry is that you have no way of verifing whether they do or don't so a
>>>safe assumption is that your VPN does log.
>> 
>> Actually, I can be fairly confident that my current VPN doesn't keep
>> logs:
>> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/03/18/criminal-complaint-reveals-private-internet-access-doesnt-log/
>
>What I am betting is they keep logs but delete them regularly.

Okay.

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#59135

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eia28cF6ajpU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:0vdvbchcmhbc61l35hrfm0l8b2icpuagrg@4ax.com...
>> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
>> Analysis
>>
>>
>> CIA malware targets iPhone, Android, smart TVs
>> CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering
>> Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center
>> for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA's DDI
>> (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major
>> directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for
>> more details).
>>
>> The EDG is responsible for the development, testing and operational
>> support of all backdoors, exploits, malicious payloads, trojans,
>> viruses and any other kind of malware used by the CIA in its covert
>> operations world-wide.
>>
>> The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn
>> comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed
>> by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs,
>> transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most
>> emblematic realization.
>>
>> The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with
>> the United Kingdom's MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places
>> the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes
>> the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a
>> bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the
>> Internet to a covert CIA server.
>
> Don't believe it's a major problem with the iphone because of the
> sandboxing and even if the CIA could see everything I do, the goon
> who gets to snoop on me would die of boredom anyway given that
> everything I do that is at all controversial is done publicly anyway.


Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :)) 



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#59136

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:eia28cF6ajpU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:0vdvbchcmhbc61l35hrfm0l8b2icpuagrg@4ax.com...
>>> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
>>> Analysis
>>>
>>>
>>> CIA malware targets iPhone, Android, smart TVs
>>> CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering
>>> Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center
>>> for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA's DDI
>>> (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major
>>> directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for
>>> more details).
>>>
>>> The EDG is responsible for the development, testing and operational
>>> support of all backdoors, exploits, malicious payloads, trojans,
>>> viruses and any other kind of malware used by the CIA in its covert
>>> operations world-wide.
>>>
>>> The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn
>>> comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed
>>> by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs,
>>> transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most
>>> emblematic realization.
>>>
>>> The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with
>>> the United Kingdom's MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places
>>> the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes
>>> the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a
>>> bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the
>>> Internet to a covert CIA server.
>>
>> Don't believe it's a major problem with the iphone because of the
>> sandboxing and even if the CIA could see everything I do, the goon
>> who gets to snoop on me would die of boredom anyway given that
>> everything I do that is at all controversial is done publicly anyway.
>
>
>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :)) 
>
You think the CIA is looking into that?
When they have troubles at home!
http://freedomdaily.com/breaking-obamagate-blows-wide-open-wikileaks-releases-obamas-wiretapping-victim-list/
BREAKING: ‘Obamagate’ Blows Wide Open As WikiLeaks Releases Obama’s
Wiretapping ‘Victim List’
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59138

"Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:o9rpi2$1qf5$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:eia28cF6ajpU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:0vdvbchcmhbc61l35hrfm0l8b2icpuagrg@4ax.com...
>>> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
>>> Analysis
>>>
>>>
>>> CIA malware targets iPhone, Android, smart TVs
>>> CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering
>>> Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center
>>> for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA's DDI
>>> (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major
>>> directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for
>>> more details).
>>>
>>> The EDG is responsible for the development, testing and operational
>>> support of all backdoors, exploits, malicious payloads, trojans,
>>> viruses and any other kind of malware used by the CIA in its covert
>>> operations world-wide.
>>>
>>> The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn
>>> comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed
>>> by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs,
>>> transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most
>>> emblematic realization.
>>>
>>> The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with
>>> the United Kingdom's MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places
>>> the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes
>>> the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a
>>> bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the
>>> Internet to a covert CIA server.
>>
>> Don't believe it's a major problem with the iphone because of the
>> sandboxing and even if the CIA could see everything I do, the goon
>> who gets to snoop on me would die of boredom anyway given that
>> everything I do that is at all controversial is done publicly anyway.
>
>
> Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))

Perfectly legal. You wouldn’t be able to buy what you need in BigW etc if it 
wasn’t.

And of no interest to the CIA anyway. 

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#59141

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :)) 

No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.

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#59142

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:14:25 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :)) 
>
>No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.

Mines for lavender oil ;>
https://is.gd/1SIdg4
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59143

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:30:20 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:14:25 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :)) 
>>
>>No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>
>Mines for lavender oil ;>
>https://is.gd/1SIdg4

Yeah... right. "Lavender oil"  ;).

I've had a few stills, but I've mainly used a Turbo 500 reflux still
for the past 4 years or so.

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#59146

"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>
> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.

Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 

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#59147

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>
>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>
>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 
 
And wht does "fluoride" go best with, Lemon or Lime?
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59154

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:do84ccl0cfsrut0t58036c04npleoicbel@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message
>>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>>
>>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>>
>>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water.
>
> And wht does "fluoride" go best with, Lemon or Lime?

Both. 

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#59148

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>
>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>
>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 

Distilation of alcohol comes under federal law, and it's quite legal
to distil alcohol providing your pot still is no larger than 5 liters.
I'm not sure about the legal size of reflux stills. Most of the brew
shops sell them. Strictly speaking, pot stills larger than 5l are
illegal, but I've had a 20l for more than 20 years. I bought it at a
brew shop, and i've seen plenty for sale.

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#59149

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:32:47 +1000, Allan Barker
<allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
>>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>>
>>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>>
>>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 
>
>Distilation of alcohol comes under federal law, and it's quite legal
>to distil alcohol providing your pot still is no larger than 5 liters.
>I'm not sure about the legal size of reflux stills.
> Most of the brew
>shops sell them. Strictly speaking, pot stills larger than 5l are
>illegal, but I've had a 20l for more than 20 years. I bought it at a
>brew shop, and i've seen plenty for sale.

*with the caveat that I haven't checked the laws in a few years:

It's legal to *buy* a still of no larger than 5L in capacity (I'm well
aware that larger stills are commonly available to buy, but they don't
seem to police it) but it is *not* legal to distill *any* quantity of
alcohol without the proper licenses/permits. For one thing, you're
meant to pay excise duty on any spirits that are produced in Aus and
to do that you require a licence.

Where fractional freezing fits into all this from a legal standpoint
is interesting, but I suspect the ATO would argue it is a form of
distillation, even though technically it isn't.

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#59151

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:21:18 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:32:47 +1000, Allan Barker
><allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
>>>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>>>
>>>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>>>
>>>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>>>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 
>>
>>Distilation of alcohol comes under federal law, and it's quite legal
>>to distil alcohol providing your pot still is no larger than 5 liters.
>>I'm not sure about the legal size of reflux stills.
>> Most of the brew
>>shops sell them. Strictly speaking, pot stills larger than 5l are
>>illegal, but I've had a 20l for more than 20 years. I bought it at a
>>brew shop, and i've seen plenty for sale.
>
>*with the caveat that I haven't checked the laws in a few years:
>
>It's legal to *buy* a still of no larger than 5L in capacity (I'm well
>aware that larger stills are commonly available to buy, but they don't
>seem to police it) but it is *not* legal to distill *any* quantity of
>alcohol without the proper licenses/permits. For one thing, you're
>meant to pay excise duty on any spirits that are produced in Aus and
>to do that you require a licence.
>
>Where fractional freezing fits into all this from a legal standpoint
>is interesting, but I suspect the ATO would argue it is a form of
>distillation, even though technically it isn't.

 It seems you are right. It seems also that these laws are routinely
broken and ignored by Govt, since almost every brew shop I have ever
visited sells all manner of flavouring essences for the purpose of
producing reasonable imitations of various commercially available
spirits from home distilled raw spirit. Bit of a joke really.

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#59152

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:35:09 +1000, Allan Barker
<allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:21:18 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:32:47 +1000, Allan Barker
>><allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message 
>>>>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>>>>
>>>>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>>>>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water. 
>>>
>>>Distilation of alcohol comes under federal law, and it's quite legal
>>>to distil alcohol providing your pot still is no larger than 5 liters.
>>>I'm not sure about the legal size of reflux stills.
>>> Most of the brew
>>>shops sell them. Strictly speaking, pot stills larger than 5l are
>>>illegal, but I've had a 20l for more than 20 years. I bought it at a
>>>brew shop, and i've seen plenty for sale.
>>
>>*with the caveat that I haven't checked the laws in a few years:
>>
>>It's legal to *buy* a still of no larger than 5L in capacity (I'm well
>>aware that larger stills are commonly available to buy, but they don't
>>seem to police it) but it is *not* legal to distill *any* quantity of
>>alcohol without the proper licenses/permits. For one thing, you're
>>meant to pay excise duty on any spirits that are produced in Aus and
>>to do that you require a licence.
>>
>>Where fractional freezing fits into all this from a legal standpoint
>>is interesting, but I suspect the ATO would argue it is a form of
>>distillation, even though technically it isn't.
>
> It seems you are right. It seems also that these laws are routinely
>broken and ignored by Govt, since almost every brew shop I have ever
>visited sells all manner of flavouring essences for the purpose of
>producing reasonable imitations of various commercially available
>spirits from home distilled raw spirit. Bit of a joke really.

My Campbelltown (Croation) Hillbilies got done in the 1980's when
large areas of Sydney stopped buying Johny Walker.
Federal police did raid them and put them out of business.
A Polish mate of mine bought their Scotch by the case $50 and no one
could tell the difference even came in JW bottles.
-- 
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"

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#59160

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:52:12 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:


>My Campbelltown (Croation) Hillbilies got done in the 1980's when
>large areas of Sydney stopped buying Johny Walker.
>Federal police did raid them and put them out of business.
>A Polish mate of mine bought their Scotch by the case $50 and no one
>could tell the difference even came in JW bottles.

I have a female friend here who was done for the same thing (although
not faking brands like your example AFAIK). This was shortly before I
met her, but apparently her setup was pretty large, distilling 200L of
wash at a time. Federal police involved. Dobbed in by her ex husband,
apparently :)

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#59158

"Allan Barker" <allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
news:0fl4cc5qrfb15ju9d5hor1uftuiql51njm@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:21:18 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:32:47 +1000, Allan Barker
>><allanbarker75@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:41:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:cch3ccho4e94k69b7r9pu1k38qol3a8bjc@j.net...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:41:06 +1100, "Damian" <damian_n@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does that include illegal backyard brewing? :))
>>>>>
>>>>> No such thing, you mean illegal distilling.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing illegal about my distilling, I do
>>>>that to get the fluoride out of the tap water.
>>>
>>>Distilation of alcohol comes under federal law, and it's quite legal
>>>to distil alcohol providing your pot still is no larger than 5 liters.
>>>I'm not sure about the legal size of reflux stills.
>>> Most of the brew
>>>shops sell them. Strictly speaking, pot stills larger than 5l are
>>>illegal, but I've had a 20l for more than 20 years. I bought it at a
>>>brew shop, and i've seen plenty for sale.
>>
>>*with the caveat that I haven't checked the laws in a few years:
>>
>>It's legal to *buy* a still of no larger than 5L in capacity (I'm well
>>aware that larger stills are commonly available to buy, but they don't
>>seem to police it) but it is *not* legal to distill *any* quantity of
>>alcohol without the proper licenses/permits. For one thing, you're
>>meant to pay excise duty on any spirits that are produced in Aus and
>>to do that you require a licence.
>>
>>Where fractional freezing fits into all this from a legal standpoint
>>is interesting, but I suspect the ATO would argue it is a form of
>>distillation, even though technically it isn't.
>
> It seems you are right. It seems also that these laws are routinely
> broken and ignored by Govt, since almost every brew shop I have
> ever visited sells all manner of flavouring essences for the purpose of
> producing reasonable imitations of various commercially available
> spirits from home distilled raw spirit. Bit of a joke really.

Do you know why there is a dearth of dry sherry essences ?

Everything else, but not that for some reason. 

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