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| Started by | bruce56@topmail.co.nz |
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| First post | 2015-09-05 19:52 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-09-21 09:03 +1000 |
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any statistics on declining PC sales? bruce56@topmail.co.nz - 2015-09-05 19:52 -0700
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2015-09-06 11:57 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 14:10 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2015-09-06 12:23 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-06 15:24 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 17:51 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 17:33 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-06 15:07 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 08:02 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2015-09-06 19:43 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 12:19 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 14:05 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-06 15:27 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 17:54 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-07 05:42 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2015-09-06 15:44 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-07 05:45 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-07 17:22 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-07 15:30 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-07 08:50 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2015-09-07 21:19 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-07 21:48 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-07 20:51 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 04:31 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-08 07:05 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 19:44 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-08 21:05 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 22:26 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-09 16:02 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-09 13:48 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 06:48 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 15:46 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:08 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-21 23:17 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:45 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2015-09-08 20:50 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-09 16:04 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:46 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "jonz" <me@there.com> - 2015-09-19 19:40 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 06:42 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 08:58 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "jonz" <me@there.com> - 2015-09-21 19:02 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> - 2015-09-27 12:37 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2015-09-08 09:23 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 19:46 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2015-09-08 19:30 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2015-09-08 20:42 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-07 20:48 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 04:29 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-08 07:08 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-08 05:15 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-09 16:11 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:52 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 06:47 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:00 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 15:02 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 08:58 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-21 14:39 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 15:16 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 19:45 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 20:33 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-08 05:12 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-09-08 16:22 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2015-09-08 21:23 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2015-09-08 14:10 +0000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-09 16:08 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:50 +1000
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2015-09-21 06:55 +0800
Re: any statistics on declining PC sales? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +1000
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 08:58 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d68s1hFk7q2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47886 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ff366b$0$11121$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > On 19/09/2015 5:40 PM, jonz wrote: >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55ee1831$0$1656$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 8/09/2015 2:31 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote >>>>> SolomonW wrote >>>>>> news13 wrote >>>>>>> Clocky wrote >>>> >>>>>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>>>>>> call themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which >>>>>>>> end of a soldering iron is the handle. >>>> >>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>> >>>>>> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >>>> >>>>> You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. >>>> >>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>> The whole point of a PC is that the parts are easy to swap, its >>>> designed >>>> that way. >>> >>> Right, so any fool can swap out parts until it's working again. That >>> does >>> not a technician make. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`` >> Substitution, is a legitimate area in fault finding, as you should well >> know. > > If it's all you know how to do and then it doesn't make you a technician Wrong, as always. > is my point. You never had one.
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| From | "jonz" <me@there.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 19:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mtogvc$qcg$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47886 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ff366b$0$11121$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > On 19/09/2015 5:40 PM, jonz wrote: >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55ee1831$0$1656$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 8/09/2015 2:31 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote >>>>> SolomonW wrote >>>>>> news13 wrote >>>>>>> Clocky wrote >>>> >>>>>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>>>>>> call themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which >>>>>>>> end of a soldering iron is the handle. >>>> >>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>> >>>>>> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >>>> >>>>> You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. >>>> >>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>> The whole point of a PC is that the parts are easy to swap, its >>>> designed >>>> that way. >>> >>> Right, so any fool can swap out parts until it's working again. That >>> does >>> not a technician make. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`` >> Substitution, is a legitimate area in fault finding, as you should well >> know. > > If it's all you know how to do and then it doesn't make you a technician > is my point. > > > Anyone can swap parts until it works again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To reiterate....."Substitution, is a legitimate area in fault finding, as you should well >> know.". Are you trying to do a noddy??.
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| From | felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> |
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| Date | 2015-09-27 12:37 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d6p332Fl8otU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47886 |
On 21-September-2015 8:42 AM, Clocky wrote: > On 19/09/2015 5:40 PM, jonz wrote: >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55ee1831$0$1656$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 8/09/2015 2:31 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote >>>>> SolomonW wrote >>>>>> news13 wrote >>>>>>> Clocky wrote >>>> >>>>>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part >>>>>>>> swappers >>>>>>>> call themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which >>>>>>>> end of a soldering iron is the handle. >>>> >>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>> >>>>>> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >>>> >>>>> You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. >>>> >>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>> The whole point of a PC is that the parts are easy to swap, its >>>> designed >>>> that way. >>> >>> Right, so any fool can swap out parts until it's working again. That >>> does >>> not a technician make. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`` >> Substitution, is a legitimate area in fault finding, as you should >> well >> know. > > If it's all you know how to do and then it doesn't make you a > technician is my point. correct > > > Anyone can swap parts until it works again. -- rgds, Pete ------- "When tolerance becomes a one-way street it leads to cultural suicide" -Col. Allen West http://thereligionofpeace.com http://pamelageller.com/ http://ausnet.info/islam/lakemba.html "No need for concern. Only 5-10% of muslims are extremists. In 1940 only 7% of Germans were Nazis. How did that turn out?" "ISIS's actions represent no faith, least of all the Muslim faith" -Barack Obama, idiotic President of the USA
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| From | "Max" <max@val.morgan> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 09:23 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mslda8$9r3$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #47778 |
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d563gkFtoeeU1@mid.individual.net... > Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote >> SolomonW wrote >>> news13 wrote >>>> Clocky wrote > >>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>>> call themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end >>>>> of a soldering iron is the handle. > >>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. > >>> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. > >> You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. > > Even sillier than you usually manage. > The whole point of a PC is that the parts are easy to swap, its designed > that way. Why would you want to swap them? Unless you are high-end gaming there would rarely be any point.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 19:46 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d57p3hFbjtsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47784 |
"Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message news:mslda8$9r3$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:d563gkFtoeeU1@mid.individual.net... >> Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote >>> SolomonW wrote >>>> news13 wrote >>>>> Clocky wrote >> >>>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>>>> call themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end >>>>>> of a soldering iron is the handle. >> >>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >> >>>> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >> >>> You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. >> >> Even sillier than you usually manage. >> The whole point of a PC is that the parts are easy to swap, its designed >> that way. > > Why would you want to swap them? When they stop working with stuff like power supplys and drives, stupid. > Unless you are high-end gaming there would rarely be any point. Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
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| From | SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 19:30 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <101td3g2ubhme$.bo7kt6etyvwg$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #47774 |
On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 20:51:50 +0800, Clocky wrote: > On 7/09/2015 7:19 PM, SolomonW wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 08:50:59 +0000 (UTC), news13 wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers call >>>> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >>>> soldering iron is the handle. >>> >>> >>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >> >> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >> > > You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. I used to fix keyboards until my boss blasted me saying it was dearer for him to pay my wages then to replace a keyboard.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 20:42 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d57sauFcdnmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47774 |
On 7/09/2015 10:51 PM, Clocky wrote: > On 7/09/2015 7:19 PM, SolomonW wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 08:50:59 +0000 (UTC), news13 wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>> call >>>> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >>>> soldering iron is the handle. >>> >>> >>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >> >> I have repaired many PCs and never used a soldering iron. >> > > You're not a technician, just a parts swapper then. > You're 15 years out of date. I work for a major supplier of equipment in the mainframe area, outside the factory there wouldn't be a single soldering iron or oscilloscope in the worldwide service organisation. There is no need for scopes because the boxes largely diagnose themselves, and you don't try and fix multilayer boards without specialist equipment.
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-07 20:48 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55ed8790$0$1575$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47770 |
On 7/09/2015 4:50 PM, news13 wrote: > On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: > > >> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers call >> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >> soldering iron is the handle. > > > If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic > repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. > Used to be commonplace in the early days and I still do board level repairs from time to time. You're missing the point however.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 04:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d563cbFtnchU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47773 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ed8790$0$1575$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... > On 7/09/2015 4:50 PM, news13 wrote: >> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: >> >> >>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers call >>> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >>> soldering iron is the handle. >> >> >> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. > Used to be commonplace in the early days Like hell it was with the PC. > and I still do board level repairs from time to time. Its really only bad caps and a few other areas like broken power connectors with laptops etc where it makes any sense at all. > You're missing the point however.
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 07:08 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55ee18d0$0$1656$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47777 |
On 8/09/2015 2:29 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message > news:55ed8790$0$1575$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >> On 7/09/2015 4:50 PM, news13 wrote: >>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>> call >>>> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >>>> soldering iron is the handle. >>> >>> >>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. > >> Used to be commonplace in the early days > > Like hell it was with the PC. There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". > >> and I still do board level repairs from time to time. > > Its really only bad caps and a few other areas like broken power > connectors with laptops etc where it makes any sense at all. > Nope. >> You're missing the point however. > >
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| From | news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 05:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mslqub$1g4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47783 |
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >> >>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >> >> Like hell it was with the PC. > > There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". Like the Educ-8? Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? Or the myriad of CPM luggables? Not a POS IMS by any chance?
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-09 16:11 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47786 |
On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: > > >>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>> >>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>> >>> Like hell it was with the PC. >> >> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". > > Like the Educ-8? > Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? > Or the myriad of CPM luggables? > > Not a POS IMS by any chance? > Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc...
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-10 05:52 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d5bgvsFa8cvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47808 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >> >> >>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>> >>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>> >>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>> >>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >> >> Like the Educ-8? >> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >> >> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >> > > > Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a soldering iron except for the power supply and a few connectors easy to break etc.
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 06:47 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55ff3781$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47814 |
On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message > news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>> >>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>> >>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>> >>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>> >>> Like the Educ-8? >>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>> >>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>> >> >> >> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... > > Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a > soldering iron except for the power supply > and a few connectors easy to break etc. Complete nonsense. They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering stations and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 09:00 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d68s4nFk8ndU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47887 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ff3781$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... > On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>>> >>>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>>> >>>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>>> >>>> Like the Educ-8? >>>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>>> >>>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... >> >> Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a >> soldering iron except for the power supply >> and a few connectors easy to break etc. > > > Complete nonsense. Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of it. > They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering stations > and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's. Complete and utter pig ignorant drivel. Fuck all of those ever failed.
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 15:02 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55ffab83$0$11094$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47892 |
On 21/09/2015 7:00 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message > news:55ff3781$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >> On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >>> news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>>> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>>>> >>>>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>>>> >>>>> Like the Educ-8? >>>>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>>>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>>>> >>>>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... >>> >>> Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a >>> soldering iron except for the power supply >>> and a few connectors easy to break etc. >> >> >> Complete nonsense. > > Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of > it. > >> They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering >> stations and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's. > > Complete and utter pig ignorant drivel. Fuck all of those ever failed. You have no fucking idea on that, obviously.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-22 08:58 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d6bgcqF9pp8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47896 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ffab83$0$11094$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > On 21/09/2015 7:00 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55ff3781$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >>>> news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>>>> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is >>>>>>>>>> uneconomic >>>>>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>>>>> >>>>>> Like the Educ-8? >>>>>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>>>>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... >>>> >>>> Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a >>>> soldering iron except for the power supply >>>> and a few connectors easy to break etc. >>> >>> >>> Complete nonsense. >> >> Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of >> it. >> >>> They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering >>> stations and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's. >> >> Complete and utter pig ignorant drivel. Fuck all of those ever failed. > > > You have no fucking idea on that, obviously. Did a hell of a lot more of it than you ever did, fuckwit.
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 14:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mto1hv$bn0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47887 |
On 21/09/2015 8:47 AM, Clocky wrote: > On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>>> >>>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>>> >>>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>>> >>>> Like the Educ-8? >>>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>>> >>>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... >> >> Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a >> soldering iron except for the power supply >> and a few connectors easy to break etc. > > > Complete nonsense. > > They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering > stations and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's. Indeed they were. Most of those used discrete components thus were relatively easy to repair. The price of the units was relatively high as well which justified a repair. This continued well into the Game Box era with many people getting out the soldering gear to install mods. That was being done as recently as 2 or 3 years ago to my knowledge. -- Xeno
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| From | Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-21 15:16 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <55ffaece$0$1553$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #47894 |
On 21/09/2015 12:39 PM, Xeno wrote: > On 21/09/2015 8:47 AM, Clocky wrote: >> On 10/09/2015 3:52 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >>> news:55efe9b6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>>> On 8/09/2015 1:15 PM, news13 wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:08:01 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>>>>>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like hell it was with the PC. >>>>>> >>>>>> There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". >>>>> >>>>> Like the Educ-8? >>>>> Or the Microbee or other DIY projects? >>>>> Or the myriad of CPM luggables? >>>>> >>>>> Not a POS IMS by any chance? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Or the Commodores, Atari's, TRS80's and Apples, Amstrads etc... >>> >>> Fuck all of those were ever repaired using a >>> soldering iron except for the power supply >>> and a few connectors easy to break etc. >> >> >> Complete nonsense. >> >> They were always always diagnosed and repaired using desoldering >> stations and soldering irons to replace DIL IC's. > > Indeed they were. Most of those used discrete components thus were > relatively easy to repair. Quite a bit of custom logic too, which were widely available as spare parts back in the day though dealers and even Altronics. Mostly soldered and a lot of those systems were repaired as even then it was cheaper to do so then replace whole boards. It's not even time consuming, I can remove a board, desolder a 40 pin DIL IC, solder in a socket and fit a new IC+reassembly in 15 minutes. The price of the units was relatively high as > well which justified a repair. This continued well into the Game Box era > with many people getting out the soldering gear to install mods. That > was being done as recently as 2 or 3 years ago to my knowledge. > >
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 19:45 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d57p1gFbjfpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47783 |
"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message news:55ee18d0$0$1656$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... > On 8/09/2015 2:29 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message >> news:55ed8790$0$1575$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >>> On 7/09/2015 4:50 PM, news13 wrote: >>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:30:28 +0800, Clocky wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I always find it amusing that these PC assemblers and part swappers >>>>> call >>>>> themselves "technicians" when they wouldn't even know which end of a >>>>> soldering iron is the handle. >>>> >>>> >>>> If it requires a "soldering iron" to repair, then it is uneconomic >>>> repair. Rarely been otherwise in PCs. >> >>> Used to be commonplace in the early days >> >> Like hell it was with the PC. > > There were successful personal computers before the IBM "PC". > >> >>> and I still do board level repairs from time to time. >> >> Its really only bad caps and a few other areas like broken power >> connectors with laptops etc where it makes any sense at all. > Nope. Yep. Have fun listing anything else much that needs a soldering iron. >>> You're missing the point however.
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