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On 4/10/2015 11:35 PM, felix_unger wrote:
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> http://www.xyz.net.au/seven-unanswered-questions-concerning-western-worlds-intake-syrian-refugees/
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> The United Nations and the European Union have spent a lot of time
> lecturing mainly western nations, together with those member states in
> central Europe, on the need to accept more and more Syrian refugees.
> Most reasonable people are well aware that the Assad regime, together
> with the savages calling themselves Islamic State, have made much of
> Syria an apocalyptic wasteland, if not something resembling a Medieval
> vision of hell. Most reasonable people would, then, understand why the
> innocent population caught up in this horror might well want to flee
> Syria, and would consider it right for their government to offer
> sanctuary, and the chance of a new life, to people in this situation.
> This is, generally, the narrative being perpetuated by stern faced
> diplomats, a willing media, and the self-appointed guardians of public
> morality, around the western world. If it were true, one would have
> little argument with it. But is it true? Here are seven questions about
> the European immigration crisis that remain largely unanswered, if not
> actively ignored, by those running the prevailing narrative, and
> pursuing the UN / EU agenda for mass resettlement. Isn’t it about time
> that those telling us we need to open our hearts, and our borders,
> started answering questions like this, and stopped shouting down those
> asking them as racists and bigots? So here we go…
>
> 1. Why are so many of the Syrian “refugees” not actually Syrian? Reports
> based on the EU’s own numbers show that as many as four out of five
> claiming to be refugees fleeing the civil war in Syria are not actually
> Syrian (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Number-refugees-arriving-Europ…).
>
> 2. Why are the vast majority young men? Surely men, fleeing their homes
> in fear of their lives, would be taking their loved ones with them? The
> men I know would be. So why are these men leaving their wives and
> children, and parents and grandparents, at home in the war zone? How can
> one with a straight face possibly claim that a group of many thousands
> made up almost entirely of young men are genuinely representative of a
> civilian population fleeing their home town in fear of their lives?
>
> 3. How can it be that is safe to return to the place you fled from? The
> world was stunned, and shocked, by images of a drowned toddler on a
> Turkish beach, and further shocked that the child’s father turned out to
> be the captain of the ill-fated people smuggling boat. As sad and as
> tragic as it was, the narrative that he and his family were fleeing
> persecution, and certain death, in Kobane Syria, was made a complete
> mockery of when he returned to Kobane Syria within days to bury his lost
> family.
>
> 4. The very definition of a refugee is one who must flee their home
> country for the next safe place of sanctuary
> (http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c125.html). Turkey is an eminently
> safe nation. So too is Greece, as is Macedonia, ditto Romania. Bulgaria
> is not bad either, and Italy, Hungary, Slovenia and Slovakia all tick a
> lot of boxes. Austria is a veritable paradise compared to many other
> parts of the world, inclusive of Syria. So why would genuine refugees,
> fleeing persecution in a land thousands of miles away, cross multiple
> borders all over Asia Minor and eastern Europe, if not in order to reach
> a destination of choice, where the land is flowing with welfare milk and
> honey? Surely, at any common sense level, this makes them economic
> migrants not refugees? So why go on insisting they are refugees? Unless
> you are wanting to preserve a fiction and perpetuate a lie?
>
> 5. Why is it that only European and other western nations are being
> lectured by the UN and EU about accepting their “fair share” of these
> economic migrants? How many have Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait,
> the UAE, and the other Gulf States accepted? Surely the largely Muslim
> people fleeing Syria would be more comfortable, and assimilate more
> readily, into nations that already share their language and faith. The
> Gulf States are generally not short of a dollar either, and might easily
> match the welfare bonanza on offer in places like Germany and Sweden. So
> why aren’t the Gulf States helping? And why has the world’s media,
> perversely, singled out as not doing enough among all of the States of
> the Middle East, Israel?
> (http://www.latimes.com/…/la-fg-syrian-refugees-israel-20150…).
>
> 6. Why only the west? If it’s good enough for people who don’t speak a
> word of Swedish to be resettled in Sweden, or somewhere else in northern
> Europe for that matter, then why not Japan, or South Korea, or somewhere
> else in south east Asia? How many migrants did Iran, China, Mexico,
> Argentina, or Russia accept in the last year. Why is it only the western
> nations who are given the UN / EU guilt treatment?
>
> 7. How many among those claiming to be refugees are attracted to, or
> committed to, the expression of Islam favoured by Islamic State? How
> many want to see sharia law imposed on the country in which they are
> ultimately settled? How many are hardened jihadist’s already? How many
> are radicalised? How many will become radicalised in their country of
> settlement? What percentage is too high a risk? Can a western nations
> tolerate 1%, 2% or up to 10% of those resettled being sympathisers with
> Islamic State ? How many street shootings and random beheadings are we
> willing to accept by sighing and reminding ourselves it’s only a tiny
> unrepresentative minority? There are uncomfortable questions, but it is
> simply not good enough to refuse to answer and hope for the best. Our
> children and grandchildren deserve better.
>
> Personally I would happily, and I do mean happily, welcome and embrace
> genuine refugees, fleeing genuine persecution, into my own country, and
> I fully support my government in doing so. But I will not be lectured to
> by a corrupt organisation like the United Nations, or the po-faced
> career bureaucrats of the European Union, about who and what a refugee
> is. Especially when the evidence is staring at you in face that the vast
> majority of those masquerading as Syrian refugees are opportunists, in
> search of a better life. And good luck to them for desiring and wanting
> better. But let’s not maintain the patent fiction of calling them
> refugees and giving them a free pass to the west ahead of countless
> other genuine refugees languishing in camps all over the world, when
> they are clearly not. Not only is that wrong, it is inherently immoral.
>
> Until such time as these seven question can be adequately answered, I
> will not, and do not, support the mass resettlement of economic migrants
> using the Syrian conflict as a pretext for forced resettlement in the west.
>
> Source: Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria..
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html
>
>
>

I keep thinking some countries should be judged on whether they are 
functional or not.  If they are not they should be annexed: Israel, 
Palestine, Syria all trouble making basket cases.  The UN might be a 
load of bollocks so unclear how the annexing should work.  America is 
obsessed with and uses as a foreign policy, national sovereignty so 
encourages this type of dysfunctionality.
I thought it was a little sick applauding the refugees arriving in Europe.

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