Re: aus.*

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.tv, aus.computers
Subject	Re: aus.*
Date	2016-12-09 14:33 +1100
Message-ID	<eaun0cF17fhU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(9 earlier) <o2atme$d3v$1@dont-email.me> <easja6Fg0clU1@mid.individual.net> <5849bf32$0$11093$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <5849c7a1$0$1597$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <584a0535$0$11126$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>

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"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message 
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> On 9/12/2016 4:50 AM, Lindsay wrote:
>> On 9/12/2016 7:14 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2016 4:18 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:o2atme$d3v$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 8/12/2016 1:32 PM, Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 1:18 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 8:39 AM, Je�us wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7 Dec 2016 22:57:09 +1000, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lurkers need to subscribe to a server in order to even download
>>>>>>> headers.
>>>>>>> If you're downloading headers but not posting, you're lurking. The
>>>>>>> usenet server admin at the ISP has a record of *every* transaction
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> takes place between his server and any person using it. My friend in
>>>>>>> Cheltenham ran a very small server and the logfiles recorded
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> that anyone who accessed the server did. He was required, as an
>>>>>>> ISP in
>>>>>>> Australia, to maintain these logfiles for any purpose the government
>>>>>>> might require.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your "friend", in Cheltenham, was an admin for a news server at an
>>>>>> ISP...
>>>>>
>>>>> He was admin for the entire ISP. He also hosted a news server. He was
>>>>> the *owner* of the ISP. The logfile I mentioned was for *every* server
>>>>> transaction, not only usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has he got a name,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He certainly has! Still lives at the same address too! Same address as
>>>>> the server in fact. He still has the server too but from what he tells
>>>>> me it has long been retired. He bought a MacPro, same exactly as mine,
>>>>> and that is his current server. Doesn't run Mac OSX however, just 
>>>>> BSD5.
>>>>>
>>>>> > and has the ISP got one too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly! The name still exists but it's no longer hosting. This was
>>>>> all back in the days of dialup. Remember when the government issued a
>>>>> directive to all ISPs that the were obliged by (new?) law to log all
>>>>> transactions? That would have to be in the mid 90s.
>>>>
>>>> There was no such legal requirement then.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's right. I suppose they could have kept logs, but most wouldn't do
>>> any more than they had to I suspect.
>>
>> So his story starts unraveling, as usual...
>>
>> We certainly didnt, just login and logout for accounting, and yes, as
>> far as I'm aware, there was no requirment to keep logs "for any purpose
>> the Govt may require " "in the mid 90's", but no doubt the whole of
>> Hansard will be posted to prove anyone wrong.
>> But before he burns Google down searching as usual:
>> http://www.cybershack.com.au/feature/what-you-need-to-know-about-australias-mandatory-data-retention-scheme-faq-131015-1
>>
>
> That's the recent one but from memory there was a move to censorship etc 
> in the early 2000's and individual states had their own laws too but since 
> you're both in VIC that point is moot.
>
> All the censorship talk at the time didn't really amount to a hill of 
> beans from memory and I don't think it was a requirement to keep logs of 
> usenet activity in any state in the 90's or even the 00's.
>
> I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

You are correct, the log requirement is very recent, in the 2015 or 
something.

>> Of course, I've seen Tommy's version of usenet
>> "I've had no issues sending or receiving posts. Ergo, usenet, and
>> aus.cars, is working satisfactorily."  Xena, usenet legend,14/06/14
>> Thank God the whole of Usenet is at Tommys house, and now he knows all
>> about admins logfiles and data retention..."in the mid 90's".. hahahaha

> Well they may have kept logs for their own purposes but there was no 
> reason to.

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aus.* "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2016-12-02 17:08 +1100
  Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-02 18:06 +1100
  Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-02 18:37 +1100
    Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-02 19:09 +1100
      Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-02 09:02 +0000
        Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 20:34 +1100
        Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-02 21:38 +1100
        Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-03 07:29 +1100
          Re: aus.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2016-12-03 12:56 +1000
            Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-04 07:56 +1100
              Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 09:02 +1100
          Re: aus.* felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-12-04 10:25 +1100
            Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 15:06 +1100
            Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-04 04:27 +0000
      Re: aus.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2016-12-03 12:50 +1000
        Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-03 03:21 +0000
        Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-03 15:27 +1100
      Re: aus.* Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-12-06 20:46 +1100
        Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-06 21:46 +1100
          Re: aus.* Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-12-07 11:41 +1100
            Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-07 12:22 +1100
              Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-07 12:41 +1100
              Re: aus.* Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-12-07 16:51 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-07 18:41 +1100
                Re: aus.* alvey <alvey@play.com> - 2016-12-07 18:39 +1000
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-07 20:31 +1100
                Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 04:55 +1100
                Re: aus.* alvey <alvey@play.com> - 2016-12-08 05:53 +1000
                Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 08:47 +1100
            Re: aus.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2016-12-07 23:00 +1000
        Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 06:40 +1100
          Re: aus.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2016-12-07 22:57 +1000
            Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 05:08 +1100
            Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-08 08:39 +1100
              Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 10:37 +1100
              Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-08 00:00 +0000
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-08 11:08 +1100
              Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 13:18 +1100
                Re: aus.* felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-12-08 13:27 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-08 13:32 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-08 13:17 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-08 17:02 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 18:05 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-08 18:18 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 18:30 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-08 20:00 +1100
                Re: aus.* jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 01:08 -0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-08 20:27 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 23:55 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-09 07:03 +0000
                Re: aus.* jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 00:35 -0800
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 19:43 +1100
                Re: aus.* "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2016-12-10 18:19 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-10 19:29 +1100
                Re: aus.* "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2016-12-11 07:00 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:11 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 06:18 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:20 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 06:49 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 10:00 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:35 +0000
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-11 16:51 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-11 19:59 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 04:01 +0800
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 17:27 +1100
                Re: aus.* felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-12-08 18:21 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 22:35 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-08 19:58 +0800
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-08 19:55 +0800
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 23:59 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-09 07:07 +0000
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-09 20:10 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 17:15 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-10 09:08 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-10 08:38 +0800
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-10 00:47 +0000
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-10 12:08 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-10 10:13 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-10 18:06 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-10 17:05 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-11 05:20 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 06:13 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-11 10:49 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 08:20 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-11 15:23 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 12:57 +0800
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:40 +0000
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-12 05:22 +1100
                Re: aus.* keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2016-12-12 20:43 +1000
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-14 17:26 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-12 04:47 +0800
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-12 05:20 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:38 +0000
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 17:14 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-08 17:38 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-08 17:58 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-08 18:13 +1100
                Re: aus.* jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 00:57 -0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-08 20:25 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-09 00:00 +1100
                Re: aus.* jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 03:46 -0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-10 07:41 +1100
                Re: aus.* jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 18:44 -0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-10 14:59 +1100
                Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 19:18 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 04:14 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-09 07:50 +1100
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-09 09:28 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 09:13 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-09 13:12 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 10:43 +0800
                Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 14:33 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-09 11:40 +0800
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-09 20:56 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-09 21:46 +1100
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-09 09:21 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-09 06:56 +0000
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-09 19:20 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-09 20:13 +1100
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-09 20:37 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> - 2016-12-09 21:33 +1100
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-10 08:57 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-10 09:24 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-10 12:54 +0800
                Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-10 16:18 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:07 +1100
                Re: aus.* Noddy <me@home.com> - 2016-12-11 09:14 +1100
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:22 +1100
                Re: aus.* Noddy <me@home.com> - 2016-12-11 09:38 +1100
                Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-11 06:29 +0800
                Re: aus.* Lindsay <ask.me.for.it@nunnya.business.com.au> - 2016-12-11 09:38 +1100
                Re: aus.* Noddy <me@home.com> - 2016-12-11 12:17 +1100
                Re: aus.* Noddy <me@home.com> - 2016-12-10 11:52 +1100
                Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-09 07:02 +0000
              Re: aus.* Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-12-24 20:57 +0000
                Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.org> - 2016-12-25 09:37 +1100
        Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-07 01:50 +0000
  Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:33 +1100
    Re: aus.* "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2016-12-02 20:48 +1100
      Re: aus.* news16 <news16@woa.com.au> - 2016-12-02 23:13 +0000
  Re: aus.* Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2016-12-03 11:52 +1100
    Re: aus.* "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 06:36 +1100
  Re: aus.* alvey <alvey@play.com> - 2016-12-04 08:23 +1000
    Re: aus.* "Max" <max@val.morgan> - 2016-12-04 10:44 +1100
      Re: aus.* alvey <alvey@play.com> - 2016-12-04 10:58 +1000
      Re: aus.* Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-12-04 14:23 +1100
      Re: aus.* Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2016-12-04 17:21 +1100
      Re: aus.* Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2016-12-04 20:58 +0800
        Re: aus.* alvey <alvey@play.com> - 2016-12-05 05:43 +1000
  Re: aus.* felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-12-04 10:12 +1100
    Re: aus.* felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-12-04 10:33 +1100

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