Re: monster cables

From	felix <me@nothere.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.cars
Subject	Re: monster cables
Date	2016-07-08 18:21 +1000
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On 07-July-2016 7:40 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/07/2016 5:52 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 07/07/16 4:47 PM, felix wrote:
>>
>>>>> because I know that you can't do a proper wheel alignment with just a
>>>>> straight edge and a piece of string and you seem to think you can
>>>>
>>>> And perhaps you could explain *how* you know this, Felix?
>>>
>>> because you can't measure degrees, like I said before. all you can do
>>> with those things is toe in/out
>>
>> I see. And that's not an alignment, is it?
>>
>> :)
>
> A subset of an alignment - yes. A very limited subset.
>
> A more complete one is caster, camber, Toe and TOOT. These are the 4 
> that I always included in a typical wheel alignment at a minimum. If I 
> was diagnosing a fault, I'd also be looking at SAI and a few others.
>
> Of course you must note also that you really need to check the toe, 
> camber and thrust angle of the rear wheels as well these days as they 
> will affect the steering too. A decent modern aligner does ALL 4 
> wheels at the same time so you will recoup the initial cost of the 
> equipment in diagnostic time savings.
> One like this is well worth the cost; http://tinyurl.com/jkzzb5o
> More so if you do a lot of steering and suspension work in your 
> workshop. I used an earlier version of this one. The only issue with 
> that unit was the setup time. This updated one looks to have redressed 
> that issue - complete 4 wheel check in as little as 10 minutes. The 
> one I used took that long and more to just set up but, like this one, 
> it did all 4 wheels at the same time.
>
> I agree, however, that there's no point you getting any decent 
> equipment since you still need to have the underpinning comprehension 
> of steering geometry principles in order to make good and efficient 
> use of it and all your wafflings point quite clearly to your 
> limitations in that regard.
>
>
>

I'm sure you're wrong. noddy knows all about steering geometry. it's due 
to centrifugal force on CV joints


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