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Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

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Mike Easter wrote:
> I was able to workaround the old 2G machine's balky optical tray, but 
> for some reason the Plop manager to boot from USB is failing for that. 

Bro-ther.  Working around the optical tray problem AND the plop boot 
manager crashing problem was a mess.  I resolved it by *removing* the 
USB to prevent the plop from crashing right after it said 'loading ehci 
drivers'.  W/ no usb stick, then plop came up w/ an error msg about no 
media try again.  Then I inserted the stick and got the plop boot screen 
to select the USB and then it succeeded.

I finally got the Deb 11 KDE non-free booted on the old low resource 
machine, which boot was very slow and actually used even more resources 
live to the desktop than on the boxen w/ 8G ram.

The Deb doesn't have a default nntp agent, nor inxi, so I installed inxi 
and I'll sneakernet the inxi hardware info into this msg.  That machine 
has resources similar to Ant's old cpu, low speed, low ram.  I would say 
that Deb KDE would be 'marginal' on Ant's hardware.  Notice how much of 
the ram is used doing nothing but running inxi.

If one were going to run live on an older slow machine w/ only 2G ram, 
you would surely need to give it some kind of swap on something.

If I wanted a modern Deb, I would choose a Sparky + a WM like OpenBox. 
The community Sparkies have a wide variety of WMs if you have a fave.

$ inxi -F
System:
  Host: debian Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
  Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.20.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Compaq Presario 061
  product: RK554AA-ABA SR2027X NA680 v: 0nx1411RE101NAOS 00
  serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: ASUSTek model: NAOS v: 1.05 serial: <superuser required>
  BIOS: Phoenix v: 3.00 date: 06/30/2006
CPU:
  Info: Single Core model: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ bits: 64 type: UP
  L2 cache: 512 KiB
  Speed: 2200 MHz min/max: 1000/2200 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 2200
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8400 GS] driver: nouveau v: kernel
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: modesetting
  unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: NV84 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.3.5
Audio:
  Device-1: NVIDIA MCP51 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-8-amd64
Network:
  Device-1: NVIDIA MCP51 Ethernet type: network bridge driver: forcedeth
  IF: enp0s20 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full
  mac: 00:18:f3:f1:b5:44
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 115.52 GiB used: 3.62 GiB (3.1%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST3120213AS size: 111.79 GiB
  ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Lexar model: JD FireFly
  size: 3.73 GiB
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 990.9 MiB used: 398.7 MiB (40.2%) fs: overlay
  source: ERR-102
Swap:
  Alert: No Swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 98.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 0
Info:
  Processes: 166 Uptime: 20m Memory: 1.94 GiB used: 1.81 GiB (93.5%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.01



-- 
Mike Easter

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Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-30 18:21 -0500
  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-08-30 16:35 -0700
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-01 15:09 -0700
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-09-01 18:37 -0500
      OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2021-09-02 10:11 -0700
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-02 10:50 -0700
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-02 11:48 -0700
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-02 12:04 -0700
        Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-02 18:10 -0700
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    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-01 09:18 -0700
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    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-09-01 11:23 +0200
      Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2021-09-01 14:08 +0200
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  Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-03 03:03 -0700
    Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-09-03 12:09 -0700
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