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Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue

From Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue
Date 2025-12-22 17:32 -0400
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On 2025-12-16 at 19:06 AST, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> Jim <zsd@jdvb.ca> wrote:
>> I use postfix to send outgoing email.  (My MUA is mutt, just in case that
>> is somehow relevant.)
>> 
>> Every now and then I make the mistake of sending (i.e., trying to send)
>> email when I'm off-line.
>
> Email existed during the time before 24/7 connectivity, it (the SMTP 
> protocol) already handles both senders and receivers not being 
> network accessible 100% of the time.

Yeah.  I've been using email since 1979.  I say "mistake" because of what
is happening on my system these days with postfix.

>> This is a mistake, because if postfix doesn't get
>> the email out on first try, it seems to give up on it entirely.
>
> The server is supposed to retry a small number of times over a period 
> of time.  I don't remember the exact values, but there are probably 
> postfix configuration words to adjust away from the defaults.

This is how I understand it as well.  And yet...

>> -> Running sudo sendmail -v -q doesn't have any effect.
>
> That is odd.  Note, you didn't say, but, are you running the -q when 
> you are online?  Running that will have no effect if you are offline.

Yes, thanks.  I try it when I know I am on-line and my outgoing SMTP server
is reachable.

>> -> Stopping and restarting the postfix daemon is equally ineffective.
>
> Again, are you doing so when you are online?

Yes.

>> My question: does anyone else (who uses postfix) see this behaviour?
>> -> If not, I guess I have to re-examine my configuration.

> No, but I say that from the perspective of last having postfix handle 
> email while offline years ago.  But even back then, it handled it as 
> expected.  If offline the emails queued.  When online, a sendmail -q 
> would flush the waiting queue out to the internet.

>> -> If so, have you discovered any way to make postfix run the mail in 
>> the queue?
>
> sendmail -q is the way -- but you do have to be online, and while 
> you've implied that you are running it while online, you never 
> explicitly said so.

Mea culpa!

Thanks for the thoughts anyway.

                                Jim

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postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-16 15:20 -0400
  Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:06 +0000
    Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-22 17:32 -0400
  Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-17 18:33 +1000
    Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-22 17:34 -0400
      Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-23 08:12 +1000
        Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-24 20:12 -0400
          Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-25 04:25 +0000
            Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-25 11:52 -0400
          Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sylvain Robitaille <syl@therockgarden.ca> - 2025-12-25 23:37 +0000
            Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-12-25 20:34 -0500
              Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-27 13:11 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-12-28 07:57 -0500
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-29 20:32 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-12-31 08:17 -0500
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-31 13:03 -0500
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-31 16:14 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-31 16:36 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2026-01-01 23:00 +1000
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2026-01-02 12:05 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2026-01-02 19:37 -0500
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:46 +0000
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2026-01-02 17:35 -0400
            Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-27 13:04 -0400
          Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-26 12:13 +1000
            Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-27 13:17 -0400
              Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-28 05:19 +0000
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-28 23:10 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:06 +0000
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-29 20:34 -0400
                Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-30 10:53 +1000
  Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-17 11:22 -0500
    Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-18 14:11 +1000
      Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2025-12-18 06:32 +0000
        Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-12-18 16:32 +0100
          Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2025-12-19 18:46 +0000
        Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-12-19 12:29 +1000
    Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-22 17:42 -0400
      Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Sylvain Robitaille <syl@therockgarden.ca> - 2025-12-24 22:34 +0000
        Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-24 20:14 -0400
  Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Joseph Rosevear <Mail@JoesLife.org> - 2025-12-19 07:54 +0000
    Re: postfix not sending mail in the queue Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2025-12-22 18:03 -0400

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