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| Started by | yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> |
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| First post | 2026-02-28 12:33 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-03-03 05:18 +0000 |
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Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-02-28 12:33 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 10:23 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:40 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-01 15:15 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-28 22:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 14:25 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 07:24 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 08:27 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 02:54 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-02 22:21 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 04:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 05:31 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 21:17 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:44 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 14:03 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-04 10:35 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-02-28 17:34 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 14:44 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 07:27 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 08:37 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 19:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-01 12:04 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:29 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-01 10:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-02 00:20 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-01 15:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-02 07:45 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 21:22 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:06 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-02 21:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-03 17:58 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 07:57 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-03 23:10 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 14:20 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 20:19 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-04 10:54 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-04 10:58 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 12:50 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:02 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:10 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 22:39 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 15:48 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:42 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 21:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-04 19:16 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 16:10 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-05 16:17 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:29 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-03 17:51 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 15:50 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 21:12 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 16:11 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-05 11:15 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 23:35 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-05 20:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:49 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:48 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 02:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 06:29 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-07 10:37 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 08:41 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:06 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:18 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 14:47 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 00:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 00:26 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 03:59 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:09 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-08 21:55 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 14:34 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 15:03 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:42 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-07 11:52 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:51 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 03:58 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 10:28 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:15 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:16 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-08 09:57 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-08 14:19 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 20:59 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 10:24 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-08 12:53 -0400
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:21 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 02:40 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:39 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 23:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 04:47 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-10 10:13 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-09 10:43 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 23:50 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:37 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:06 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-05 13:08 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 11:07 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-07 00:18 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 19:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:38 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 18:13 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-05 20:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-06 10:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-06 10:30 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 08:36 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:13 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:21 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-06 18:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 11:14 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 00:09 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:09 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 19:55 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 02:43 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 08:00 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 22:38 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-03 21:30 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 11:56 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:47 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-01 18:09 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:04 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-02 16:21 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-03-02 03:27 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 19:51 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 13:12 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-02 01:19 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 08:41 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 08:59 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 09:08 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 09:20 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 11:58 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 05:18 +0000
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-06 10:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10qlca5.aaoh.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #47012 |
On 2026-03-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 11:15:28 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 16:11:18 +1100, Axel wrote: >> >>> Handsome Jack wrote: >>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 20:46:27 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 15:50:26 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes I know all that, but I want to move stuff without mucking about >>>>>> with keys. >>>>> It already does that >>>>> <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=390980>. >>>> I read that page months ago and it doesn't do what you say. If >>>> anything, >>>> it confirms the correctness of my gripe, on XFCE anyway. It may be >>>> that Nemo works correctly on Cinnamon, but that doesn't help me. >>>> >>>> >>> Why do you use XFCE in preference to Cinnamon? >> >> It came with the LM distro and seems generally OK. Do you reckon >> Cinnamon is better? I've never installed it. > > Cinnamon is a little more polished in a Windows-like way. There is little > advantage if you're used to Xfce. DEs are mostly about aesthetics. I like Cinnamon because it has a working weather applet and CPU temperature applet. And it's more polished. But Mate and Xfce are good too. -- Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-06 10:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10qlc7j.aaoh.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #47004 |
On 2026-03-05, Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 16:11:18 +1100, Axel wrote: > >> Handsome Jack wrote: >>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 20:46:27 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 15:50:26 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I know all that, but I want to move stuff without mucking about >>>>> with keys. >>>> It already does that >>>> <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=390980>. >>> I read that page months ago and it doesn't do what you say. If >>> anything, >>> it confirms the correctness of my gripe, on XFCE anyway. It may be that >>> Nemo works correctly on Cinnamon, but that doesn't help me. >>> >>> >> Why do you use XFCE in preference to Cinnamon? > > It came with the LM distro and seems generally OK. Do you reckon Cinnamon > is better? I've never installed it. I've got Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon installed on this computer. But I almost always use Cinnamon (unless I'm testing something). It's easy to install Cinnamon and then choose which you want to use at login. One command... sudo apt install mint-meta-cinnamon -- Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-06 20:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n10q5eFt3r1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47014 |
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 10:48:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > I've got Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon installed on this computer. But I > almost always use Cinnamon (unless I'm testing something). It's easy to > install Cinnamon and then choose which you want to use at login. One > command... > > sudo apt install mint-meta-cinnamon sudo apt install i3 I get 5 choices at login. Cinnamon (Default), Cinnamon (Software Rendering), Cinnamon on Wayland (Experimental), i3, and i3 ( with debug log). I tried the Wayland version once. It didn't last long. I never tried the software rendering version.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 02:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10qn4co.fab1.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #47029 |
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 10:48:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > >> I've got Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon installed on this computer. But I >> almost always use Cinnamon (unless I'm testing something). It's easy to >> install Cinnamon and then choose which you want to use at login. One >> command... >> >> sudo apt install mint-meta-cinnamon > > sudo apt install i3 > > I get 5 choices at login. Cinnamon (Default), Cinnamon (Software > Rendering), Cinnamon on Wayland (Experimental), i3, and i3 ( with debug > log). > > I tried the Wayland version once. It didn't last long. I never tried the > software rendering version. I don't even know what the software rendering version does. Apparently not anything I need. As for i3, I don't like tiling (as mentioned before) but I can see where it would be nice for programmers (also mentioned before). -- Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 06:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n11utfF42oqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47034 |
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 02:46:49 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > As for i3, I don't like tiling (as mentioned before) but I can see where > it would be nice for programmers (also mentioned before). Apropos of nothing other than tiling the guy behind Hyprland posts on X any really dislikes these guys and their dwm. https://suckless.org/ It caught my attention because during one meeting the director of engineering said 'Our motto should be "We suck less"'. There is more truth in that than a lot of companies would ever admit.
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 10:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ogv63$1et24$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47029 |
On 6 Mar 2026 20:01:52 GMT, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 10:48:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > >> I've got Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon installed on this computer. But I >> almost always use Cinnamon (unless I'm testing something). It's easy to >> install Cinnamon and then choose which you want to use at login. One >> command... >> >> sudo apt install mint-meta-cinnamon > > sudo apt install i3 > > I get 5 choices at login. Cinnamon (Default), Cinnamon (Software > Rendering), Cinnamon on Wayland (Experimental), i3, and i3 ( with debug > log). On one of the discussion group web pages I read apropos this topic, somebody posted something like "having multiple alternative desktop environments on one machine is a recipe for crashes that are very difficult to diagnose ... only half-witted newbies do it." Is there any truth in that or is just the sort of thing that snotty Linux nerds sneer to each other? I don't mind trying different DEs but I can't afford to have serious bugs on my work computer, not any more than necessary anyway.
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 08:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n132qeF9cjiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47036 |
Handsome Jack wrote: > I don't mind trying different DEs but I can't > afford to have serious bugs on my work computer, not any more than > necessary anyway. For trying different DEs, I prefer to boot them live or live w/ persistence. Ventoy. Personally I like to see how the dev of the release has set up the DE (or WM) rather than tweak it myself. I realize that by not being 'into' such UI tweaking, I'm missing some strong linux features over that of other OSes. One of these days I may do more of that. -- Mike Easter
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 21:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n13iakFboinU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47037 |
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 08:41:50 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > Handsome Jack wrote: >> I don't mind trying different DEs but I can't afford to have serious >> bugs on my work computer, not any more than necessary anyway. > > For trying different DEs, I prefer to boot them live or live w/ > persistence. Ventoy. Personally I like to see how the dev of the > release has set up the DE (or WM) rather than tweak it myself. > > I realize that by not being 'into' such UI tweaking, I'm missing some > strong linux features over that of other OSes. One of these days I may > do more of that. I do very little tweaking and that left me surprised by some of the configurations done by a distro. GNOME isn't my favorite but I've learned to live with Ubuntu's version. I installed GNOME Leap 16 in a VM. I think that is vanilla GNOME. No way and I wasn't about to beat it into submission so I reinstalled the KDE version. Mint's Xfce is quite a bit different to Debian's too. I've got KDE on the EndeavourOS and Fedora boxes, plus the Leap VM. Despite KDE being one of the most configurable DEs those three are about the same.
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 13:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n13j14FbmejU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47041 |
rbowman wrote: > GNOME isn't my favorite but I've learned > to live with Ubuntu's version. As a general rule, Gnome is the DE I most love to hate. Sometimes I live boot something else partial to Gnome other than Ub, whose Gnome I hate the most, like Fedora. I'm VERY glad that RedHat decided to 'open the door' to 'sharing' the idea of the default DE to KDE as well as Gnome. -- Mike Easter
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 14:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n13o8dFcejeU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47043 |
Mike Easter wrote: > Gnome is the DE I most love to hate. OTOH, I am very pleased w/ a LOT of the dev in the gnome ecosystem, which has given rise to tons of 'stuff' used by the entire community. However, some have a problem w/ the 'infrastructure' gtk, which evolves 'roughly' and causes some dev/s to divert themselves over to Qt's. Some say that gnome project 'hierarchy' is hard to live in if you are under its umbrella. But I suppose that might be said of any hierarchy. -- Mike Easter
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 00:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n13udtFdft9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47044 |
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 14:47:41 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > However, some have a problem w/ the 'infrastructure' gtk, which evolves > 'roughly' and causes some dev/s to divert themselves over to Qt's. I prefer Qt to Gtk. The GUIs I do for my own amusement are PySide6, which is PyQt without the Riverside license baggage. Qt licensing was sort of a mess when the trolls owned it and still has strange bits.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 00:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n13u2bFdftbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47043 |
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 13:18:28 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > Sometimes I live boot something else partial to Gnome other than Ub, > whose Gnome I hate the most, like Fedora. I'm VERY glad that RedHat > decided to 'open the door' to 'sharing' the idea of the default DE to > KDE as well as Gnome. At least Ubuntu has a toolbar, which I think is the 'dash to dock' extension. When I first installed Fedora KDE was still a spin rather than a full citizen alongside Fedora Desktop. I'm on 43 now, waiting for 44. Ubuntu wasn't my first choice; I was trying for Kubuntu and had problems with the iso so I used Ubuntu's. The stuff I use is on the toolbar, panel, or whatever you call it so I seldom have to go pawing through the 'Show Apps' thing. I've never seen the Fedora GNOME but if it's anything like the Leap version I wouldn't be running Fedora if that was all that was available. Sorting through GNOME extensions trying to find something that works isn't my idea of a good time.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 03:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ois6i$23ags$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47037 |
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 08:41:50 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > I realize that by not being 'into' such UI tweaking, I'm missing > some strong linux features over that of other OSes. One of these > days I may do more of that. Sounds like you are pursuing a breadth-first search over the Linux DE landscape, rather than depth-first.
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 10:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n15or3Fma7iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47048 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> I realize that by not being 'into' such UI tweaking, I'm missing >> some strong linux features over that of other OSes. One of these >> days I may do more of that. > > Sounds like you are pursuing a breadth-first search over the Linux DE > landscape, rather than depth-first. This thread started w/ remarks about a Dedo/Igor review. He is frequently unhappy w/ what he finds when he wants to tweak some UI to his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking goes. I'm more interested in how that dev decided to set up 'his' distro. There are many different angles a distro dev may choose to approach a 'purpose' for his or their project, which may be a MUCH different purpose than just how the default appearance is setup, but somewhere along the way, he/they have to 'decide' on what the initial appearance is going to be. Since I'm not generally an appearance tweaker, my views of some alternative ways of the desktop appearing comes from the 'hopping' if you would call it that. -- Mike Easter
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| From | yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 21:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20260308215505.5d65c399@gray> |
| In reply to | #47054 |
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 10:09:55 -0700 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > This thread started w/ remarks about a Dedo/Igor review. He is > frequently unhappy w/ what he finds when he wants to tweak some UI to > his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking goes. I think this is an unfair criticism of Dedo/Igor. Most complaints are not UI in his critics. I don't recall any "when he wants to tweak some UI to his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking goes.". Specially in this rant. -- Linux Mint 22.2 kernel version 6.14.0-36-generic Cinnamon 6.4.8 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G, Radeon RX9060XT, 32GB of DRAM.
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 14:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n168apFol5iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47057 |
yossarian wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> This thread started w/ remarks about a Dedo/Igor review. He is >> frequently unhappy w/ what he finds when he wants to tweak some UI >> to his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking goes. > > I think this is an unfair criticism of Dedo/Igor. Most complaints > are not UI in his critics. I don't recall any "when he wants to > tweak some UI to his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking > goes.". Specially in this rant. > This rant was a concept of /fragmentation/ about the 'shattered' condition of the Wayland evolution failures and disruption. His Dec review of MX was more typical of his tweakiness: > I did spend some time tweaking things, because I know MX Linux will > save the stuff for me. In this regard, Xfce feels archaic. And it's > not about the look. It's the fact you need to go through probably > 5-10 different tools and utilities to tweak everything. The system > tray icons don't scale up identically. There's always some mismatch, > regardless of the height. The clock is too tiny, the logout button > too big. You have a dock, but it seems as if you can't rearrange the > icons yonder, and you can pin icons to the panel as you normally > would, but they will all be jammed in the right corner, so there's > quite a bit of click-n-move to get things sorted. And then, you will > have duplicates, because the panel icons and the dock icons aren't > the same. https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-25-xfce.html -- Mike Easter
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-08 15:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n16a21FordpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47058 |
Mike Easter wrote: > His Dec review of MX was more typical of his tweakiness: I don't have any interest in doing a 'competitive' review of MX vs Dedo/Igor's which would require following his some footsteps w/ alternate MX choices than his vs his same choices. BUT... I might guess that his choice to NOT use the MX systemd release, opting instead for the sysvinit version might work /against/ the performance of the distro boot, since Deb has gone systemd and MX is based on Deb stable. I believe that if I were in the 'business' of looking at linux distro/s, and MX had 'evolved' toward systemd (and separate sysvinit) from its earlier condition of using a shim to solve systemd 'confusion', I would take that division into consideration to see if my criticisms would be the same in the systemd XFCE release as what I saw in the sysvinit boot condition. -- Mike Easter
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-09 06:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10qsqvf.robj.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #47054 |
On 2026-03-08, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >> >>> I realize that by not being 'into' such UI tweaking, I'm missing >>> some strong linux features over that of other OSes. One of these >>> days I may do more of that. >> >> Sounds like you are pursuing a breadth-first search over the Linux DE >> landscape, rather than depth-first. > > This thread started w/ remarks about a Dedo/Igor review. He is > frequently unhappy w/ what he finds when he wants to tweak some UI to > his liking and doesn't like how the tweaking goes. > > I'm more interested in how that dev decided to set up 'his' distro. > > There are many different angles a distro dev may choose to approach a > 'purpose' for his or their project, which may be a MUCH different > purpose than just how the default appearance is setup, but somewhere > along the way, he/they have to 'decide' on what the initial appearance > is going to be. > > Since I'm not generally an appearance tweaker, my views of some > alternative ways of the desktop appearing comes from the 'hopping' if > you would call it that. Most of my appearance "tweaking" is done with Firefox. I like to simplify the Firefox interface — to make it "cleaner" and use less screen space. -- Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 11:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10ohl3k$1mrka$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47036 |
On Sat, 3/7/2026 5:37 AM, Handsome Jack wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2026 20:01:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 10:48:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> I've got Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon installed on this computer. But I
>>> almost always use Cinnamon (unless I'm testing something). It's easy to
>>> install Cinnamon and then choose which you want to use at login. One
>>> command...
>>>
>>> sudo apt install mint-meta-cinnamon
>>
>> sudo apt install i3
>>
>> I get 5 choices at login. Cinnamon (Default), Cinnamon (Software
>> Rendering), Cinnamon on Wayland (Experimental), i3, and i3 ( with debug
>> log).
>
> On one of the discussion group web pages I read apropos this topic,
> somebody posted something like "having multiple alternative desktop
> environments on one machine is a recipe for crashes that are very
> difficult to diagnose ... only half-witted newbies do it."
>
> Is there any truth in that or is just the sort of thing that snotty Linux
> nerds sneer to each other? I don't mind trying different DEs but I can't
> afford to have serious bugs on my work computer, not any more than
> necessary anyway.
>
Switch on your pattern-matcher and see what you think <snicker> :-)
And I'm not saying this because I know the answer. As a searcher,
I am familiar with the boundless terrain, even if I cannot guide
you through it.
https://eylenburg.github.io/de_comparison.htm
Nerds sneer, because they're sick of having to memorize shit
like this, and regurgitate on demand.
This is the land of the full matrix, the sparse matrix,
the partitioned matrix. In theory, if every piece of software
you touched, followed "standards", it would be a full matrix
and we would laugh at how silly your question was. Well,
we're not laughing particularly.
Only occasionally, in a discussion thread, will a tree herder
emit a set of "rules of comfort" for this stuff. Which would be
a selection of a pattern noted in the above table.
Notice how XFCE,MATE,Cinnamon go with LightDM and X11
(where the X11 could be XWayland, for as long as that
compatibility option exists and is not snatched away).
Such tables do not "guarantee a bad time", but if you mix
the wrong things, maybe a dpkg-reconfigure just doesn't
do the right things and some manual configuration file
editing is necessary. And since this affects your ability
to use the GUI or use your screens as you'd hoped to, you
might need a second computer to dial out and search or
use LLM-AI to dig yourself out of the mess.
A "hint" is when your distro "has three DE but not five DE".
This means the tree-herder has done their best to try to
make "any combination of the three" work. Perhaps getting
the "other one" to install, requires switching from
XWayland to Wayland for example. The login prompt, if you
"click in the right sequence", a gear wheel appears in the
lower right corner, and your options like LXQT with X11
or LXQT with Wayland appear, and you select the one you
want and go off on a crash hunt.
Maybe you would be offered these boundless choices
while using Debian. A downstream distro may select
a subset of things, to bring a measure of control and
stability.
Part of the reason for this, is let's zoom out to 60000 feet
and look at the map. The map has "areas". If DEs come from
several different "areas", you can be assured there will be "trouble".
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
It's a bit like walking. In the city, there are nice sidewalks,
all the trees and brush have been removed. You think you're
a god when you walk down the street. Then one day, your dad
says, "hey, we're going fishing" and later in the day,
you're on your hands and knees in the thickest most dense
brush you've ever seen in your life, you don't have a
machete to chop your way out in a moment of panic, and
you're dragging your fishing rod behind you while you
emulate how a rabbit travels these paths (head down).
To traverse absolutely every place in life, requires reading up
on the challenges, carrying the right tools... and
being ready for anything. Such as it is June, and
there is a five foot pile of snow blocking your
rabbit-path that heads to the river. And because it
is a rabbit-path, there are always "forks" and
ways to still get where you're going in the
brush by "taking the other fork".
Then when you get there, there is a mixture of
muskeg and solid ground. One step you hit
solid ground, the next step... your leg sinks all
the way up to your hips (I was impressed I hit
something solid!). And now you begin to understand
why you put on the hip waders this morning :-)
I didn't even bother to ask at 3AM, why we needed
hip waders. I figured we'd be standing in a river,
fly fishing or something. That didn't happen again,
as now that my pattern-matching was switched on,
I could spot those before stepping into one...
Summary: By all means, try out absolutely everything.
Just be prepared to shovel your way out.
Make a backup sufficient to undo one
of your sessions of "walk-about". Certain
topics assume you will be killed and will need
to respawn at the beginning of the level.
Even the tutorial articles on this topic, aren't
tutorial enough for "dead reckoning". If the
architecture diagram does not include absolutely
everything (login manager), then that's really
disingenuous material, to lead a person right
next to muskeg and make them step in it.
The tree-herders learn by doing, just like you do.
A set of three DE is "a matrix big enough to keep
me testing until July". We don't do twelve DEs
because "I'll be testing until my pension comes in".
And the table in the top link, is not complete.
There are more components that could be included
in the table, but then, someone has to test them
to comment on them. This is what happens when you
spin too many components and add them to a matrix.
Nobody has time to test for the interactions enough
to guarantee a good time.
Now you know why the Firefox graphics person was
angry, when told to support Wayland, XWayland,
and X11. That's three times as much work, and more
test benches to write to prove it works. When that
capability came out, I tested it :-) And I could do that,
because one distro had all the materials to do it. Today,
that distro backed off on that capability, so I have
to look elsewhere to test all three still work.
I don't think the comment about half-witted newbies is
fair. You can expect to have some amount of fun trying
these out. But it may be simpler to switch distros if
you were attempting to compare twelve of them.
Paul
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-07 12:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n13hf6FbmejU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #47038 |
Paul wrote: > As a searcher, I am familiar with the boundless terrain, even if I > cannot guide you through it. That sure sounds like (problematic) fragmentation to me. -- Mike Easter
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