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| Started by | yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> |
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| First post | 2026-02-28 12:33 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-03-03 05:18 +0000 |
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Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-02-28 12:33 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 10:23 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:40 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-01 15:15 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-28 22:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 14:25 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 07:24 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 08:27 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 02:54 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-02 22:21 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 04:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 05:31 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 21:17 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:44 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 14:03 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-04 10:35 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-02-28 17:34 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-02-28 14:44 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 07:27 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 08:37 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 19:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-01 12:04 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 01:29 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-01 10:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-02 00:20 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-01 15:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-02 07:45 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-01 21:22 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:06 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-02 21:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-03 17:58 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 07:57 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-03 23:10 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 14:20 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 20:19 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-04 10:54 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-04 10:58 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 12:50 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:02 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:10 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 22:39 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 15:48 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:42 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 21:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-04 19:16 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 16:10 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-05 16:17 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:29 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-03 17:51 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 15:50 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 21:12 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 16:11 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-05 11:15 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-05 23:35 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-05 20:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:49 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:48 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 02:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 06:29 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-07 10:37 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 08:41 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:06 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:18 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 14:47 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 00:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 00:26 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 03:59 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:09 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-08 21:55 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 14:34 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 15:03 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:42 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-07 11:52 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:51 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 03:58 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 10:28 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:15 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:16 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-08 09:57 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2026-03-08 14:19 +0100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 20:59 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 10:24 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-08 12:53 -0400
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-08 10:21 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 02:40 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:39 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 23:46 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 04:47 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-10 10:13 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-09 10:43 -0700
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 23:50 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:37 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 06:33 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-05 08:06 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-05 13:08 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 11:07 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-03-07 00:18 +1100
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 19:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:38 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 18:13 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-05 20:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-06 10:08 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-06 10:30 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 08:36 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:13 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 09:21 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-06 18:18 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-06 11:14 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 00:09 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:09 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 10:52 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 19:55 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 02:43 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-03 08:00 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-03 22:38 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-03 21:30 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-04 11:56 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:47 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-01 18:09 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:04 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-03-02 16:21 -0500
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-03-02 03:27 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2026-03-02 15:01 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 19:51 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-01 13:12 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-02 01:19 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 08:41 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 08:59 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 09:08 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 09:20 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-03-02 11:58 -0800
Re: Very good rant about our loving linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 05:18 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 07:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10o0ppb$1bar$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46935 |
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 14:44:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > When a particular user around here whines about linux > 'fragmentation', I would remind him that if he wants to get 'behind' > one specific distro dev in which there is some kind of over-arching > 'master', whether that be RedHat and its 'partiality' to its Gnome > (now somewhat more divided to include KDE) or some other like LM and > its fondness for Ub/Deb and mostly Cinnamon, he wouldn't have to > worry so much about all of the 'fragmentation' going on across the > entire linux landscape. “Fragmentation” implies a bunch of broken shards with some kind of lack of unity among them. That would describe the proprietary market, fragmented between Microsoft and Apple. It would describe the BSD world, fragmented between roughly similar but subtly incompatible variants that cannot even share filesystems, let alone kernels. It does not describe the Linux world. Remember, the Linux world invented “distro-hopping”, which is something you can only practise in a non-fragmented world.
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 08:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n0j8a1FnfsvU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46941 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Remember, the Linux world invented “distro-hopping”, which is > something you can only practise in a non-fragmented world. Well, there's distro hopping and then there's distro hopping. I don't even know if I'm considered a distro hopper if I sample newer current versions of numerous (scores) of different distro/s 'all the time' -- but I'm doing that w/ live or live w/ persistent 'versions' of 'all those' distro/s, but not even installing them. Meanwhile, I always go back to my installed daily driver for my everyday activities. So I'm not sure I've actually 'hopped' such as changing my 'everyday' system from one thing to another. I've only 'dallied' w/ the different distro, not 'settled into' it. When I read Jesse Smith's reviews, he is very often a true hopper for his work at reviewing, 'settling in' to using a distro for a while. And *certainly* dedo/Igor tweaks a distro he uses all over the place, because he is VERY into the user interface issue's fine points. Typically I don't even 'get around to' doing much tweaking w/ a sampled distro's interface, except for setting the tz and installing some method for employing sticky keys if not available in settings, such as xkbset. -- Mike Easter
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 19:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n0jjokFpe4tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46941 |
On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 07:27:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > It does not describe the Linux world. Remember, the Linux world invented > “distro-hopping”, which is something you can only practise in a > non-fragmented world. Is it distro-hopping if you have several machines, each with a different distro?
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 12:04 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0hhk7Ffc6nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46934 |
Alan K. wrote: > On 2/28/26 6:33 AM, yossarian wrote: >> There is for me a very good rant about Linux. I agree with him for most >> of things. He didn't even mention my favorite flat design and gray >> fonts. >> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-product-philosophy.html >> > I don't really see his rant. Of course I'm in a big way a user not a > geek. > > If the machine runs, it's good. Oh I can get in the background and > fix/adjust a few things but I couldn't tell you if I had Wayland or > X11 (actually I could in LM). > > I also have a KDE OS and I don't know, easily, if it's KDE 5 or 6, > Wayland or X11, systemd or other. To me, it works. I'd have to run > inxi or neofetch to get a hint. > > I can't do anything about these issues so what's it to me? I use an > OS and rate it by how it works, not what's behind the screen. > > I does bother me that there isn't more push to make it THE desktop OS. > Maybe I'm ostrich and have my head in the sand. <grin> > > So much for MY rant. LOL many PC users just want a viable OS alternative to Windows, so they can be rid of M$, and all it entails, including having to pay for software, and since most of us are not geeks, and are not greatly interested in technical issues, I think that the more user friendly, and 'windows like' distros are, eg. LM, Zorin, the more likely it is that those distros will rise in popularity, and consequently be more supported by developers, and have more support for users, so it's likely one, or maybe two, will become the 'norm' for Linux use among the great unwashed. just my opinion of course. :) -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 01:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n0hj32Ffbu2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46934 |
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:34:50 -0500, Alan K. wrote: > I also have a KDE OS and I don't know, easily, if it's KDE 5 or 6, > Wayland or X11, systemd or other. To me, it works. I'd have to run > inxi or neofetch to get a hint. fastfetch -- neofetch is so 2015... I usually know because of general background noise. I know the Arch and Fedora boxes are KDE Plasma 6.6 because Fedora made so much noise about it. I didn't notice any difference. I know the Mint laptop is x11 because Cinnamon on Wayland isn't there yet. All of that has very little impact on what I do.
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 10:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10o15pt$51ho$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46934 |
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:34:50 -0500, Alan K. wrote: > On 2/28/26 6:33 AM, yossarian wrote: >> There is for me a very good rant about Linux. I agree with him for most >> of things. He didn't even mention my favorite flat design and gray >> fonts. >> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-product-philosophy.html >> > I don't really see his rant. Of course I'm in a big way a user not a > geek. > > If the machine runs, it's good. Oh I can get in the background and > fix/adjust a few things but I couldn't tell you if I had Wayland or X11 > (actually I could in LM). > > I also have a KDE OS and I don't know, easily, if it's KDE 5 or 6, > Wayland or X11, systemd or other. To me, it works. I'd have to run > inxi or neofetch to get a hint. Neither inxi nor neofetch tell you. I don't even know what Wayland or X11 are, or how they relate to XFCE or XFWM4 or any of the other alphabet soups. I expect I could learn, but I don't know what good it would do me. I read the Wayland entry in Wikipedia and I couldn't make head or tail of it. The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. The developers appear to be more interested in grand long-term projects to replace things that already do work.
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-02 00:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0ispcFk8evU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46942 |
Handsome Jack wrote: > On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:34:50 -0500, Alan K. wrote: > >> On 2/28/26 6:33 AM, yossarian wrote: >>> There is for me a very good rant about Linux. I agree with him for most >>> of things. He didn't even mention my favorite flat design and gray >>> fonts. >>> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-product-philosophy.html >>> >> I don't really see his rant. Of course I'm in a big way a user not a >> geek. >> >> If the machine runs, it's good. Oh I can get in the background and >> fix/adjust a few things but I couldn't tell you if I had Wayland or X11 >> (actually I could in LM). >> >> I also have a KDE OS and I don't know, easily, if it's KDE 5 or 6, >> Wayland or X11, systemd or other. To me, it works. I'd have to run >> inxi or neofetch to get a hint. > > > Neither inxi nor neofetch tell you. I don't even know what Wayland or X11 > are, or how they relate to XFCE or XFWM4 or any of the other alphabet > soups. I expect I could learn, but I don't know what good it would do me. > I read the Wayland entry in Wikipedia and I couldn't make head or tail of > it. > > The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some minor > things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly and there > seems no prospect that they will get fixed. what things? > The developers appear to be > more interested in grand long-term projects to replace things that already > do work. > the only thing that annoys me is the super small window controls- minimize, expand, close. I can't think of any good reason for making them that small. -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10o1kbc$ae8m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46943 |
On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: > Handsome Jack wrote: >> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly >> and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. > > what things? Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. > >> The developers appear to be more interested in grand long-term projects >> to replace things that already do work. >> >> > the only thing that annoys me is the super small window controls- > minimize, expand, close. I can't think of any good reason for making > them that small. A presumably related one is that none of the window themes provide thick enough borders that you can easily grab to resize the window.
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-02 07:45 +1100 |
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Handsome Jack wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: > >> Handsome Jack wrote: >>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly >>> and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >> what things? > Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. > >>> The developers appear to be more interested in grand long-term projects >>> to replace things that already do work. >>> >>> >> the only thing that annoys me is the super small window controls- >> minimize, expand, close. I can't think of any good reason for making >> them that small. > A presumably related one is that none of the window themes provide thick > enough borders that you can easily grab to resize the window. > > That's adjustable in Menu > Preferences > Themes > Settings> "Override the current theme's scrollbar width" and move the slider -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-01 21:22 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #46944 |
On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: > >> Handsome Jack wrote: > >>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work >>> properly and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >> >> what things? > > Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? Developers tend to need all the help they can get.
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-02 15:06 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #46952 |
On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: >> >>> Handsome Jack wrote: >> >>>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly >>>> and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >>> >>> what things? >> >> Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. > > Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? No, but if I did that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar regularly crashes, and that that is not a satisfactory state of affairs. > Developers tend to need all the help they can get. Thousands of people much better informed than I am must have reported this bug.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-02 21:18 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #46958 |
On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 15:06:33 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >> >>> Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. >> >> Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? > > No, but if I did that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar regularly > crashes, and that that is not a satisfactory state of affairs. How do you expect them to fix the bug without information as to what the bug is? >> Developers tend to need all the help they can get. > > Thousands of people much better informed than I am must have > reported this bug. Have you checked the bug tracker?
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 17:58 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0nf3vFcmleU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46958 |
Handsome Jack wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: >>> >>>> Handsome Jack wrote: >>>>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>>>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work properly >>>>> and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >>>> what things? >>> Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. >> Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? > No, but if I did that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar regularly > crashes, and that that is not a satisfactory state of affairs. why not use some other file manager? I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the default manager > >> Developers tend to need all the help they can get. > Thousands of people much better informed than I am must have reported this > bug. > -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 07:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10o648m$1r9k6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46972 |
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:58:07 +1100, Axel wrote: > Handsome Jack wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Handsome Jack wrote: >>>>>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>>>>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work >>>>>> properly and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >>>>> what things? >>>> Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. >>> Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? >> No, but if I did that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar regularly >> crashes, and that that is not a satisfactory state of affairs. > > why not use some other file manager? I could, but that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar - the file manager supplied with the OS - regularly crashes. > I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the > default manager What is? I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you pick up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it *copies* it instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable for me.
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 23:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0o1deFcmleU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46973 |
Handsome Jack wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:58:07 +1100, Axel wrote: > >> Handsome Jack wrote: >>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 00:20:44 +1100, Axel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Handsome Jack wrote: >>>>>>> The main limitation of Linux (specifically LM) for me is that some >>>>>>> minor things - matters of practical importance - do not work >>>>>>> properly and there seems no prospect that they will get fixed. >>>>>> what things? >>>>> Just as one example, that Thunar regularly crashes. >>>> Have you tried getting more info on the bug and sending in a report? >>> No, but if I did that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar regularly >>> crashes, and that that is not a satisfactory state of affairs. >> why not use some other file manager? > I could, but that wouldn't change the fact that Thunar - the file manager > supplied with the OS - regularly crashes. > >> I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the >> default manager > What is? Nemo > > I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you pick > up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it *copies* it > instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable for me. Not on my PC, except if I drag the file to the home folder icon. Another file manager I've tried is PCmanfm. it's in the software manager > And this Thunar thing is only one of many small but > annoying problems that don't look as they will ever get fixed. I can live > with most of them - and Lord knows LM is still far preferable to Windows - > but they are still problems. -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10o6qn4$238rg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46975 |
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 23:10:21 +1100, Axel wrote: > Handsome Jack wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:58:07 +1100, Axel wrote: >>> I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the default manager >> What is? > > Nemo > > >> I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you >> pick up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it >> *copies* it instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable >> for me. > > Not on my PC, except if I drag the file to the home folder icon. Hmm. What version? Mine is 6.0.2. Of course it could be something to do with the interaction between Nemo and XFCE rather than Nemo itself.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 20:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n0ou39Flr3uU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46976 |
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 14:20:21 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > Hmm. What version? Mine is 6.0.2. Nemo in LM 22.3 is 6.6.3.
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-04 10:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0palpFn0aeU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46976 |
Handsome Jack wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 23:10:21 +1100, Axel wrote: > >> Handsome Jack wrote: >>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:58:07 +1100, Axel wrote: >>>> I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the default manager >>> What is? >> Nemo >> >> >>> I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you >>> pick up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it >>> *copies* it instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable >>> for me. >> Not on my PC, except if I drag the file to the home folder icon. > Hmm. What version? Mine is 6.0.2. nemo --version nemo 6.6.3 > > Of course it could be something to do with the interaction between Nemo > and XFCE rather than Nemo itself. > that could be. I have Cinnamon. I tried XFCE on a PC, and had problems with it -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2026-03-04 10:58 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n0pat1Fn0aeU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46989 |
Axel wrote: > Handsome Jack wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 23:10:21 +1100, Axel wrote: >> >>> Handsome Jack wrote: >>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 17:58:07 +1100, Axel wrote: >>>>> I use LM22.3 and Thunar is not the default manager >>>> What is? >>> Nemo >>> >>> >>>> I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you >>>> pick up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it >>>> *copies* it instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable >>>> for me. >>> Not on my PC, except if I drag the file to the home folder icon. >> Hmm. What version? Mine is 6.0.2. > > nemo --version > nemo 6.6.3 > > >> >> Of course it could be something to do with the interaction between Nemo >> and XFCE rather than Nemo itself. >> > > that could be. I have Cinnamon. I tried XFCE on a PC, and had problems > with it > btw.. if you press shift and drag you will move not copy -- Linux Mint 22.3
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-03 20:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n0ou0aFlr3uU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46973 |
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 07:57:10 -0000 (UTC), Handsome Jack wrote: > I've tried Nemo, and it is good, but it has one fatal flaw: when you > pick up a file from the desktop and drop it into another folder, it > *copies* it instead of moving it. That is enough to make it unusable for > me. Nemo is the default in 22.3. I had to find it and look in 'About' to see what it is. Personally 'mv foo.txt ./Documents' in the terminal works fine for me. The best part is it works in any distro I've encountered without having to find whatever GUI file manager is installed.
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