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First post2025-01-07 10:18 +0000
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  Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 10:18 +0000
    Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:03 -0500
      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 20:21 +0000
    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 09:51 -0800
      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:01 -0800
      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 20:48 +0000
        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 13:12 -0800
          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 22:09 +0000
            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 14:31 -0800
              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 22:45 +0000
                Re: Ping: Paul "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-07 19:03 -0500
                  Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-10 12:19 +0000
              Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 15:14 -0800
                Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 19:31 -0500
            Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 21:46 -0500
        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 13:34 -0800
          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-08 12:47 +0000
            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-08 09:02 -0800
              Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-08 15:16 -0800
              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-08 23:32 +0000
                Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-08 16:08 -0800
                  Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-09 08:38 +0000
                    Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-09 09:37 -0500
                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-09 09:09 -0800
                      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-09 09:27 -0800
                Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-08 20:26 -0500
                  Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-09 08:25 +0000
                    Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-09 09:42 -0500
                      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-09 18:07 +0000
                        Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-09 16:18 -0500
                          Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-09 17:04 -0500
                          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-09 22:25 +0000
                            Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:25 -0500
                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-10 12:09 +0000
                                Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 10:17 -0500
                                  Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-10 15:46 +0000
                                    Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 15:05 -0500
                                      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-10 23:55 +0000
                                        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-10 16:50 -0800
                                          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-11 08:47 +0000
                                            Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-11 10:29 -0500
                                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-11 20:29 +0000
                                                Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-11 23:29 +0000
                                            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-11 10:29 -0800
                                              Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-11 16:08 -0500
                                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-11 23:36 +0000
                                              Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-11 22:27 -0500
                                                Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-11 20:03 -0800
                                                  Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-11 20:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:56 -0800
                                                      Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 21:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 09:51 -0800
                                                        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 11:20 -0800
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:29 -0500
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 14:41 -0800
                                                              Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:58 -0500
                                                              Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 18:23 -0800
                                                  Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 19:06 -0800
                                                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-13 19:37 -0800
                                                      Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-13 23:28 -0500
                                                        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-14 13:10 -0800
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-14 14:10 -0800
                                                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-14 22:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-14 15:01 -0800
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-14 18:49 -0500
                                                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-15 09:42 +0000
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-14 15:59 -0800
                                                    Re: Ping: Paul David <David@home.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:35 +0000
                                                      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 09:14 -0800
                                                        Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:28 -0500
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 11:33 -0800
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 11:50 -0800
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 12:50 -0800
                                                          Re: Ping: Paul David <David@home.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:02 -0800
                                                              Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-15 21:23 +0000
                                                                Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-15 22:49 +0000
                                                                Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 14:54 -0800
                                                                  Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-16 14:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-16 08:34 -0800
                                                                      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-16 23:08 +0000
                                                                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:09 -0800
                                                                      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-16 22:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 16:51 -0500
                                                                      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-16 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-17 00:16 +0000
                                                                Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:14 -0800
                                                            Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 18:53 -0500
                                        Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 22:58 -0500
                                  Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-10 09:37 -0800
                                    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-10 11:46 -0800
                                      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-10 12:10 -0800
                                      Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-10 12:21 -0800
                                        Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-10 23:47 +0000
        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 13:49 -0800
          Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 14:31 -0800
            Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 14:40 -0800
            Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 22:49 +0000
              Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 15:14 -0800
                Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 23:44 +0000
                Re: Ping: Paul Bdb <Tester@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 12:14 +0000
    Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:08 -0800
      Re: Ping: Paul Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 14:03 -0500
        Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 20:52 +0000
      Re: Ping: Paul David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-07 20:43 +0000
        Re: Ping: Paul Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-01-07 13:34 -0800

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#43641

FromDavid <David@example.net>
Date2025-01-07 23:44 +0000
Message-ID<lu5sjbF4ls5U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43639
On 07/01/2025 23:14, Mike Easter wrote:
> BDB wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000153000/where-is-the- 
>>> certificate-of-authenticity-coa-label-located-on-dell-laptop-computers
>>>> Where is the Certificate of Authenticity label located on Dell laptops?
>>
>> Thanks, Mike .... but I'm not going to physically open the laptop at 
>> this stage.
> 
> No; I had no intention of your doing that;
>>
>> I'm going to assume (I do NOT normally do such a thing!) that it's a 
>> HOME edition.
>>
>> Unless you suggest otherwise, I'll simply load the iso onto my 32GB
>> thumb drive and boot the laptop from that.
>>
> First, let's update the bios using the Hirens environment.
> 
> Here's the 6.3 MB .exe:
> 
> https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/ 
> inspiron-13-5368-2-in-1-laptop/drivers
> 
> https://dl.dell.com/FOLDER07325080M/1/ 
> Inspiron_5368_7368_5568_7569_7778_1.23.1.exe
> 
> I posted a lot more useful info in an earlier msg in this thread if you 
> care to look back.
> 
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=173629101200
> 
> The ventoy stick doesn't mind if you put the above Inspiron.exe on it; 
> that is where we will be booting the Hirens to use the .exe on the Dell 
> machine.
> 
> You can use Hirens to run the exe, or you can use your Dell's bios 
> system to do it.  I've never done that, but I've read about it.  I'm 
> assuming that your system doesn't have anything doing w/ BitLocker as 
> described in a link at the above HK msg.
> 
> The Dell site says that if you use F12 at power-on you can get a one- 
> time boot menu which has other options and BIOS flash update.
> 
>> Click the ... button to browse the USB drive to locate the downloaded 
>> file.
> 
> The ... button?
> 
> In another later msg I'll talk about the W10 .iso after the bios 
> firmware is updated and we've rechecked the MX and the Hirens W11 PE to 
> see if the speakers work.

I'm going to revisit this in the morning, Mike.

Thank you. :-)

-- 
David
.. 'nite!

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#43648

FromBdb <Tester@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-01-08 12:14 +0000
Message-ID<lu78ghFc7chU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43639
On 07/01/2025 23:14, Mike Easter wrote:
> BDB wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000153000/where-is-the- 
>>> certificate-of-authenticity-coa-label-located-on-dell-laptop-computers
>>>> Where is the Certificate of Authenticity label located on Dell laptops?
>>
>> Thanks, Mike .... but I'm not going to physically open the laptop at 
>> this stage.
> 
> No; I had no intention of your doing that;

Good! ;-)

>> I'm going to assume (I do NOT normally do such a thing!) that it's a 
>> HOME edition.
>>
>> Unless you suggest otherwise, I'll simply load the iso onto my 32GB
>> thumb drive and boot the laptop from that.
>>
> First, let's update the bios using the Hirens environment.
> 
> Here's the 6.3 MB .exe:
> 
> https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/ 
> inspiron-13-5368-2-in-1-laptop/drivers
> 
> https://dl.dell.com/FOLDER07325080M/1/ 
> Inspiron_5368_7368_5568_7569_7778_1.23.1.exe
> 
> I posted a lot more useful info in an earlier msg in this thread if you 
> care to look back.
> 
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=173629101200
> 
> The ventoy stick doesn't mind if you put the above Inspiron.exe on it; 
> that is where we will be booting the Hirens to use the .exe on the Dell 
> machine.

The exe is now on my Ventoy stick!

> You can use Hirens to run the exe, or you can use your Dell's bios 
> system to do it.  I've never done that, but I've read about it.  I'm 
> assuming that your system doesn't have anything doing w/ BitLocker as 
> described in a link at the above HK msg.

I'm going to assume that too!

> The Dell site says that if you use F12 at power-on you can get a one- 
> time boot menu which has other options and BIOS flash update.

I've seen that - but do not know how to use it.

>> Click the ... button to browse the USB drive to locate the downloaded 
>> file.
> 
> The ... button?

I've no clue what you are referring to.
> 
> In another later msg I'll talk about the W10 .iso after the bios 
> firmware is updated and we've rechecked the MX and the Hirens W11 PE to 
> see if the speakers work.
> 
> 
> 

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#43612

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2025-01-07 10:08 -0800
Message-ID<lu58tlF2fghU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43606
BDB wrote:
> I have Hiren's BootCD  PE Windows 11 running

Let's check the sound w/ that W11 PE.

Let's use the CP controlpanel accessed from the Start button R panel 
then Hardware and Sound, then R panel Sound then R click on the Speakers 
  in the Playback tab window and use the Test selection.


-- 
Mike Easter

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#43614

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-01-07 14:03 -0500
Message-ID<vljtr0$2bcpq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#43612
On Tue, 1/7/2025 1:08 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> BDB wrote:
>> I have Hiren's BootCD  PE Windows 11 running
> 
> Let's check the sound w/ that W11 PE.
> 
> Let's use the CP controlpanel accessed from the Start button R panel 
> then Hardware and Sound, then R panel Sound then R click on the Speakers
> in the Playback tab window and use the Test selection.

Assuming it is running (and that's a stretch), your description
might look a bit like this.

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/GhP87mXD/W11-Playback-Sound-Test.gif

The sound should be "dee dah doo doo dah dee" and I would
guess the wave file is stereo for it :-)

Installing Windows 11 on legacy equipment is not easy, which
is why I'm surprised at the claim W11 is running on that
machine right now, with a big smile on its face.

Yes, you can get there with Rufus. I have one on the cooker right
now, installed with Rufus. On a machine with no TPM or MBEC
support (a legacy CPU close to Skylake version). But if you
use the W11 DVD directly, they make you walk on hot coals :-)
Just to see you squirm. I am in the process of doing some
hacking experiments, to see if I can get it in via a hack.
The problem is, I tried an alt-F10 attack, and the alt-F10 was
ignored, and the keyboard does not have an Fn key or anything.
The Fkeys are perfectly normal on the cooker, so I'm tunneling
in a second way, to see if the registry setting still works.

   Paul

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#43623

FromDavid <David@example.net>
Date2025-01-07 20:52 +0000
Message-ID<lu5ih2F3nfcU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43614
On 07/01/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
> The sound should be "dee dah doo doo dah dee" and I would
> guess the wave file is stereo for it 🙂

"I see what you see!" ....... but all I hear is single clicks.

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#43621

FromDavid <David@example.net>
Date2025-01-07 20:43 +0000
Message-ID<lu5hv8F3nfcU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43612
On 07/01/2025 18:08, Mike Easter wrote:
> BDB wrote:
>> I have Hiren's BootCD  PE Windows 11 running
> 
> Let's check the sound w/ that W11 PE.
> 
> Let's use the CP controlpanel accessed from the Start button R panel 
> then Hardware and Sound, then R panel Sound then R click on the Speakers 
>   in the Playback tab window and use the Test selection.

Thanks. I've done that - I hear a sound from both left and right speakers.

-- 
David

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#43629

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2025-01-07 13:34 -0800
Message-ID<lu5kvfF4c9nU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#43621
BDB wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> BDB wrote:
>>> I have Hiren's BootCD  PE Windows 11 running
>>
>> Let's check the sound w/ that W11 PE.
>>
>> Let's use the CP controlpanel accessed from the Start button R panel 
>> then Hardware and Sound, then R panel Sound then R click on the 
>> Speakers   in the Playback tab window and use the Test selection.
> 
> Thanks. I've done that - I hear a sound from both left and right speakers.
> 
But later you said:

>  ....... but all I hear is single clicks. 

That is NOT the desired 'sound'.

What/How does the above Win environment characterize the speakers? 
Right before the Test selection above, what does Win say, such as High 
Def Audio Device or when you get into the Driver from Properties there 
is a Driver Details.

As I've mentioned earlier, your 2in1 has an audio function for its HDMI; 
if it is trying to use some kind of digital sound instead of analog on 
the linux or the Win, that won't work for the little built in speakers. 
Or, maybe the builtin speakers aren't working in their channel.

-- 
Mike Easter

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