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  Replacement for Google Groups? Yevgeniy S and Linux <linuxisthebestchoice@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 21:20 +0700
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-12-09 15:24 +0000
      Re: Replacement for Google Groups? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-09 21:39 +0000
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-09 09:50 -0600
      Re: Replacement for Google Groups? kensi <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> - 2024-12-10 10:30 -0500
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-10 21:37 +0100
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? curtis <curtis@scln.com> - 2024-12-15 22:35 +0000
          Re: Replacement for Google Groups? kensi <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> - 2024-12-16 11:13 -0500
            Re: Replacement for Google Groups? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-16 19:30 +0000
              Re: Replacement for Google Groups? kensi <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> - 2024-12-16 19:40 -0500
                Re: Replacement for Google Groups? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-17 00:56 +0000
                  Re: Replacement for Google Groups? kensi <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> - 2024-12-18 03:27 -0500
            Re: Replacement for Google Groups? "Rev. Ben D. Hover" <bendhover@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 23:20 +0000
              Re: Replacement for Google Groups? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-18 00:41 +0000
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? morena <morena@morena.rip> - 2024-12-09 17:05 +0100
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-12-09 17:57 +0100
      Re: Replacement for Google Groups? pernod <pernod_@yahoo.ocm> - 2024-12-15 04:47 +0000
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-12-15 11:13 +0100
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> - 2024-12-09 18:14 +0000
    Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-22 17:03 +0000
      Re: Replacement for Google Groups? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-23 13:04 -0600
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-23 21:27 +0000
          Re: Replacement for Google Groups? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-23 21:29 -0600
            Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-24 11:59 +0000
          Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 20:38 -0300
            Re: Replacement for Google Groups? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-24 23:31 -0600
              Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 16:06 -0300
                Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-25 19:34 +0000
                Re: Replacement for Google Groups? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-25 13:58 -0600
                  Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Carl Jack <carljack@harriscty.org> - 2025-02-26 08:34 +0000
                  Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 20:20 -0300
      Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-24 02:27 +0000
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-24 11:50 +0000
          Re: Replacement for Google Groups? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-24 22:30 +0000
        Re: Replacement for Google Groups? Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-24 12:32 +0000
      gnu.emacs.help (Was: Re: Replacement for Google Groups?) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 20:33 -0300
        Re: gnu.emacs.help (Was: Re: Replacement for Google Groups?) Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-02-25 09:27 +0000

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#65119

Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> Yevgeniy S and Linux <linuxisthebestchoice@gmail.com> posted:
> 
>> Do you use any replacement of Google Groups? I use Usenet Archives
>> sometimes, website is usenetarchives.com. Is there other
>> alternatives???
> 
> I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text
> only). This supports reading/posting current discussions, and also
> has searchable archives of most groups going back to 1987.

Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
mentioned when trying to register to use your service.

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#65120

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
> 
> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.

Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
(according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

Please rate your Usenet experience today:   :-D  :-)  :-/  :-(  :-O

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#65127

Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>> 
>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
>> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
>> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
>> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.
> 
> Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
> (according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
> as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.

I don't have a newsgrouper account.  Apparently the block is when
attempting to login.  Seems a warning should be mentioned in the web
pages BEFORE logging in to then find you are blocked.  In fact, with
consideration of other regions/countries establishing their own
censorship laws, might need a FAQ or note at your web site noting which
regions will get geofenced; i.e., give a heads up before login.  A door
with an "Open" sign (the web site) should have warning of geofencing
rather than users yanking on the door handle to then find the "open"
door is locked to them.  Much like a "No shoes, no shirt, no service"
sign on a door.  As you add more geofencing, users would have something
to identify why beforehand.  Just a suggestion.

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#65130

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:

> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
> >> 
> >> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
> >> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
> >> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
> >> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
> >> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.
> > 
> > Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
> > (according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
> > as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.
> 
> I don't have a newsgrouper account.  Apparently the block is when
> attempting to login.  Seems a warning should be mentioned in the web
> pages BEFORE logging in to then find you are blocked.  In fact, with
> consideration of other regions/countries establishing their own
> censorship laws, might need a FAQ or note at your web site noting which
> regions will get geofenced; i.e., give a heads up before login.  A door
> with an "Open" sign (the web site) should have warning of geofencing
> rather than users yanking on the door handle to then find the "open"
> door is locked to them.  Much like a "No shoes, no shirt, no service"
> sign on a door.  As you add more geofencing, users would have something
> to identify why beforehand.  Just a suggestion.

The block is not yet in place. What you get on logging in is a warning
that it will be activated on 16th March. The reason I do that after the
user logs in is so I can record which users have seen the message so I
don't keep spamming them with it.  It will be repeated after a week though.

When the block is activated, anyone connecting from the UK will just get
http error 451 (blocked for legal reasons), no login page at all.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

Please rate your Usenet experience today:   :-D  :-)  :-/  :-(  :-O

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#65137

Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>> 
>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
>> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
>> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
>> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.
>
> Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
> (according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
> as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.

I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?  I gave a look
at the newsgrouper website, but didn't see any obvious notice there.
Thanks!

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#65138

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:

> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
> 
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>>> 
>>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
>>> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
>>> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
>>> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.
>>
>> Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
>> (according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
>> as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.
> 
> I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?  I gave a look
> at the newsgrouper website, but didn't see any obvious notice there.
> Thanks!

See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".

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#65140

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>>>> 
>>>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>>>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  Here, and
>>>> at your web site, I missed any mention that UK visitors would get
>>>> blocked from using your service.  Maybe geofencing is something
>>>> mentioned when trying to register to use your service.
>>>
>>> Are you in the UK?  If your IP address indicates you are in the UK
>>> (according to Cloudflare) you will get a warning about the impending block
>>> as soon as you log in, either as a guest or as a registered user.
>> 
>> I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?  I gave a look
>> at the newsgrouper website, but didn't see any obvious notice there.
>> Thanks!
>
> See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
> titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".

The support group is 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  It has little retention.
I also tried searching on newsgrouper itself, but it seems to mention
that the group is from blueworldhosting.  I searched anyway and found
nothing---used your keywords in quotes (but without quotes).  Thanks in
any case!

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#65141

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> posted:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:
> >
> > See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
> > titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".
> 
> The support group is 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  It has little retention.
> I also tried searching on newsgrouper itself, but it seems to mention
> that the group is from blueworldhosting.  I searched anyway and found
> nothing---used your keywords in quotes (but without quotes).  Thanks in
> any case!

What VanguardLH is referring to is
https://newsgrouper.org/eternal-september.support/18568/18810
and the rest of that thread.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

Please rate your Usenet experience today:   :-D  :-)  :-/  :-(  :-O

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#65142

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:
> 
>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
>>> 
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>>>>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  
>>> 
>>> I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?
>>
>> See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
>> titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".
> 
> The support group is 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  

No, the newsgroup with Colin's discussion on his block is in the
specified newsgroup: eternal-september.support.  I haven't wasted time
with the 24hoursupport.helpdesk for many years.

I don't know if Colin bothers to visit 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  I did
many years ago, but it became so polluted with unwanteds and uber-boobs
that I left.  If it died, well, I considered it a garbage newsgroup long
ago.  Way too many rotten apples in the barrel to waste trying to find
unspoiled ones.  

I just took a look, and saw very few articles (that survived my
filters), and most were very old.  The article counts (before filtering)
were very low:

     8 at Eternal-September
   253 at Individual (my primary server)
  1253 at Paganini
    86 at Solani

That is also before my age-out rules since I purge articles older than
120 days.  It is not my intention to operate an archive, and importance,
to me, dies with age.  Looks like 24hoursupport.helpdesk died from
attrition.

More likely you'll find Colin posting in alt.free.newsservers, and over
in the ES support newsgroup since he peers from ES and converses with
Ray, the ES admin.  He said he also peers from BlueWorld and
archive.org, the latter of which I didn't know archived anything Usenet.

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#65144

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:h2mql5p5nkrj$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:

> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:
>> 
>>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent
>>>>>> kowtowing to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers
>>>>>> thereof.  
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?
>>>
>>> See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
>>> titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".
>> 
>> The support group is 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  
> 
> No, the newsgroup with Colin's discussion on his block is in the
> specified newsgroup: eternal-september.support.  I haven't wasted time
> with the 24hoursupport.helpdesk for many years.
> 
> I don't know if Colin bothers to visit 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  I did
> many years ago, but it became so polluted with unwanteds and
> uber-boobs that I left.  If it died, well, I considered it a garbage
> newsgroup long ago.  Way too many rotten apples in the barrel to waste
> trying to find unspoiled ones.  
> 
> I just took a look, and saw very few articles (that survived my
> filters), and most were very old.  The article counts (before
> filtering) were very low:
> 
>      8 at Eternal-September
>    253 at Individual (my primary server)
>   1253 at Paganini
>     86 at Solani
> 
> That is also before my age-out rules since I purge articles older than
> 120 days.  It is not my intention to operate an archive, and
> importance, to me, dies with age.  Looks like 24hoursupport.helpdesk
> died from attrition.
> 
> More likely you'll find Colin posting in alt.free.newsservers, and
> over in the ES support newsgroup since he peers from ES and converses
> with Ray, the ES admin.  He said he also peers from BlueWorld and
> archive.org, the latter of which I didn't know archived anything
> Usenet. 

24hoursupport.helpdesk was pretty good until the assholes from AUK decided 
to turn it into a shithole.  

https://archive.org/details/usenet-24hoursupport.helpdesk (2014)

https://archive.org/download/usenet-alt

https://www.usenetarchives.com/

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#65148

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:
>> 
>>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> posted:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Elsewhere you mention you will block UK visitors to circumvent kowtowing
>>>>>> to the UK Online Safety Act requirements and dangers thereof.  
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't understood why the block.  Could you clarify?
>>>
>>> See Colin's thread over in the eternal-september.support newsgroup
>>> titled "Newsgroups and the UK Online Safety Act".
>> 
>> The support group is 24hoursupport.helpdesk.  
>
> No, the newsgroup with Colin's discussion on his block is in the
> specified newsgroup: eternal-september.support.  I haven't wasted time
> with the 24hoursupport.helpdesk for many years.

I had no idea all of this went on.  I had never heard of
eternal-september.support before.  Thanks for the information.  I found
the thread 

  Newsgrouper and the UK Online Safety Act

beginning at 

  <1734376730-7@newsgrouper.org.uk>

Thanks!  (I see what's going on now.  Thanks very much!)

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#65123

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:03:00 GMT, Colin Macleod wrote :


> I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text only).

Sweet!

I think it's great to have a web interface to Usenet as it serves multiple
purposes, particularly for those who don't know anything about Usenet:
1. Anyone can click on a link to any article or thread (even your mom)
2. The retention usually is excellent for web-based archives
3. The web-based archives generally have a decent search engine

I know about <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.free.newsservers> which
stopped adding articles just about a year ago (Feb 22nd, 2024).

At that time, RetroGuy added his news service at my request (and others).
 <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/search.php?group=alt.free.newsservers>

Looking at yours... I get the dark blue page... then I "click as guest"...
so I get the limegreen page... and then I click "Continue"...
which takes me to the light-blue page... where I search for this ng.

Searching for "alt.free.newsservers" gets me the logical URI which is a
sign that the admin designed the page with the human reader in mind.
 <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.free.newsservers>

I notice that the "source" button allows the full header, which is nice as
the main things you need are the message id & email which Google used to
provide but then stopped providing it.

What's MOST important (other than the search engine which I didn't test),
is the ability to provide your mom (or whomever) with a clickable link.

I tested a clickable link for a random article and that worked nicely.
There's no button there called "Search" but there is a button which does
that search; it's called "Find Articles" (which is fine).

For the most part, that's what matters to me.
I'll put it in the Usenet tutorials so that others can benefit, which is
what I do every day, all day - so that others benefit from the efforts.

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#65129

Marion <marion@facts.com> posted:

> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:03:00 GMT, Colin Macleod wrote :
> 
> > I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text only).
> 
> What's MOST important (other than the search engine which I didn't test),
> is the ability to provide your mom (or whomever) with a clickable link.

Thanks for the comments. One flaw at present is that the historical search
"Find Articles" gives you articles with URLs which cannot be saved or sent
to someone else. I'm looking at how to fix this.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

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#65133

Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote at 11:50 this Monday (GMT):
> Marion <marion@facts.com> posted:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:03:00 GMT, Colin Macleod wrote :
>> 
>> > I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text only).
>> 
>> What's MOST important (other than the search engine which I didn't test),
>> is the ability to provide your mom (or whomever) with a clickable link.
>
> Thanks for the comments. One flaw at present is that the historical search
> "Find Articles" gives you articles with URLs which cannot be saved or sent
> to someone else. I'm looking at how to fix this.


Best of luck! As someone who has used your site occasionally, it's
pretty useful.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#65131

Marion <marion@facts.com> posted:

> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:03:00 GMT, Colin Macleod wrote :
> 
> > I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text only).
> 
> 2. The retention usually is excellent for web-based archives
> 3. The web-based archives generally have a decent search engine

Let me clarify these points. I don't run an nntp server with its own news
spool, I just pull articles on demand and then cache them locally.
I use three sources:
- nntp to eternal-september.org for current articles and uucp for posting.
  But E-S now has less than a year's worth of history.
- nntp to blueworldhosting.com for historical searches from 2003 to now.
- downloaded archive files from https://archive.org/details/usenet
  for historical searches from 1987 to 2013.

This means the search I can do on blueworldhosting is limited to the
capabilities of the nntp XPAT command - pattern matching on a single
header line.  For the archive.org files I can do full-text search.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

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#65136 — gnu.emacs.help (Was: Re: Replacement for Google Groups?)

Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:

> Yevgeniy S and Linux <linuxisthebestchoice@gmail.com> posted:
>
>> Hello users of Usenet... .
>> 
>> Do you use any replacement of Google Groups? I use Usenet Archives 
>> sometimes, website is usenetarchives.com. Is there other alternatives???
>
> I operate a web interface to Usenet at https://newsgrouper.org/ (text only).
> This supports reading/posting current discussions, and also has searchable
> archives of most groups going back to 1987.

I looked into gnu.emacs.help.  There were very few articles there.  Is
that right?  I'd believe it doesn't go back to 1987, but it surely had a
lot of traffic in a not so distant past.

Thanks for writing the system and offering to the world.

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#65139 — Re: gnu.emacs.help (Was: Re: Replacement for Google Groups?)

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> posted:
> 
> I looked into gnu.emacs.help.  There were very few articles there.  Is
> that right?  I'd believe it doesn't go back to 1987, but it surely had a
> lot of traffic in a not so distant past.

Yes there are few current articles, but clicking "Find Articles" or going
to https://newsgrouper.org/gnu.emacs.help/search will let you find many more.

-- 
Colin Macleod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://cmacleod.me.uk

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