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The joy of FORTRAN

Started byLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
First post2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
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  The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:11 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 15:28 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-24 18:24 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:13 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 23:06 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:14 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:06 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 08:51 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 17:55 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 19:58 +0200
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2024-09-28 11:35 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:13 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 11:34 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 20:56 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:18 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-bi5-this> - 2024-09-28 08:13 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:26 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:17 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 21:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:00 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:12 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:51 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 02:29 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:03 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-27 04:23 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-24 16:05 -1000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-10-11 14:49 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:58 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 19:29 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:25 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:42 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 17:22 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:23 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 21:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 21:50 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:45 -0600
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:24 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-09-25 11:03 +0800
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:38 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:31 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 10:58 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:06 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 17:01 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:45 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-25 15:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:31 -1000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-26 06:04 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 06:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:47 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 08:21 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-nnv-this> - 2024-09-27 07:40 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:42 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 11:49 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-26 18:01 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-27 10:43 +0100
                              Re: The joy of VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of VAX Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-28 19:05 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of VAX Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                          The joy of VAX C Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
                            Re: The joy of VAX C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
                            Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
                            Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                              Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:30 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:05 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:19 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
              TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
                        Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
                          Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                                        Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
                                        Re: C operator precedence rules Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:54 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
                                          Grace Hopper Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-03 10:35 -0700
                                            Re: Grace Hopper Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:19 +0000
                                              Re: Grace Hopper Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-04 17:17 -0400
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
                                  Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
                                            Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
                                                Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
                                                    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:44 +0000
                                          Re: The Joy Of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:42 +0000
                                            Re: The Joy Of Python Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-24 11:51 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
                                          Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
                                            Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
                                              Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:33 -0400
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 22:09 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-01 23:05 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:39 -0400
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-02 20:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:14 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
                                  7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
                                Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
                                  Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 17:54 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 01:46 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-25 15:40 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 16:59 +0200
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-25 10:45 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:17 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-28 09:33 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:41 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-29 09:19 +0100
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 11:23 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:18 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 16:47 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:10 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-08 19:53 -0600
                          Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 07:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-09 09:27 +0100
                                Re: The joy of Python lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-09 21:42 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 04:39 +0000
                              Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 14:01 +0000
                                Re: The joy of awk p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of awk "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-11 09:25 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of awk John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-11 07:55 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of awk Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-11 17:59 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:48 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 13:21 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of perl cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-10-10 12:49 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 15:24 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 20:27 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 14:14 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-29 01:11 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 05:21 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-24 14:52 +0100
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-24 14:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 19:55 +0300
                                                                                  Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-24 23:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 08:37 +0200
                                                                      Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-25 07:07 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 13:14 +0100
                                                                          Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:58 +0200
                                                                            Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-25 14:02 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
              Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
                  Re: The joy of Ada Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:53 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 00:01 +0100
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 00:05 +0000
                        Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 01:31 +0100
                          The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:37 -0700
                            Re: The joy of Oldtimers drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-29 01:40 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:17 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
                      Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
                  Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                        Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-30 22:04 +0100
                                      OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2024-10-02 07:40 +0000
                                        Re: OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-10-02 09:57 +0100
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:33 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:26 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 13:43 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:03 -0800
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:06 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:22 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:02 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:19 -0800
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:48 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:57 -0800
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:51 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:01 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:37 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 08:03 -0800
                                                            Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 17:44 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:32 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-28 07:30 -0500
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:03 -0500
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2025-03-07 04:42 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-07 13:06 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-03-07 06:46 -1000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-08 03:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 05:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 00:21 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 08:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 20:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 00:20 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 07:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:55 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:40 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:50 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 21:14 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:43 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:03 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:22 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 10:47 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:22 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:36 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:00 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:23 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:16 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-5od-this> - 2025-03-14 07:47 -0700
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-14 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-14 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-10 12:23 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-10 20:47 -0300
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 08:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2025-03-11 09:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:07 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:50 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-13 13:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:44 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:47 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-14 03:13 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:27 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 03:30 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:33 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:24 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-15 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-16 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Segways rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 19:42 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-10 08:51 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:13 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:47 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:04 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:29 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this> - 2025-03-10 06:41 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-10 22:15 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-09 14:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:06 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-10 09:53 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 00:47 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 07:54 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:52 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 23:58 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 16:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:04 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 22:57 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-27 08:09 +0100
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-27 18:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-27 03:39 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-26 00:02 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:35 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:21 -0400
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:57 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:06 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:40 -0400
                                                                                    Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 22:12 -0300
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 17:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-13 18:47 -0300
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:43 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 19:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:00 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:17 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:47 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 07:13 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:49 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:30 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2025-02-26 19:23 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:37 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:43 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:13 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:37 -0800
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                    Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:39 +0000
                                                      Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:42 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:41 -0500
                                                          Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:49 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:23 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:41 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:56 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:22 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 00:56 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 08:00 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 18:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:29 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:39 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 07:26 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:22 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 19:58 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 00:02 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:19 +0000
                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 18:11 +0000
                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:57 +0000
                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 -0700
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-01 01:48 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 14:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-01 21:28 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 15:21 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-03-02 02:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-03 00:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 12:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-04 01:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 14:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-03 01:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 02:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-03 03:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-04 23:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-05 03:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 23:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:43 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-06 20:22 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-06 20:33 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-04 00:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 17:36 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:39 +0000
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:39 -0500
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 21:11 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:42 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-01 00:04 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:44 -0500
                                                                  Razor Blades and Printers Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 22:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: Razor Blades and Printers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:00 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:40 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:36 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:26 -0500
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:34 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 13:41 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 13:59 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:30 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-28 19:56 +0100
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 22:16 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:44 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:23 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:26 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 00:20 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:28 +0000
                                                  CISC did not die in 1990 (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 16:59 -1000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:24 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 17:48 -1000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 04:18 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-27 21:11 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-28 13:08 -1000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-01 18:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 03:31 +0000
                                                                      Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:44 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:58 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                  Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:44 +0000
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:47 +0000
                                                      Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:19 -0500
                                                        Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:33 -0500
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-28 01:02 +0000
                                                            Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:05 +0000
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:15 -0500
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                    Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-27 19:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) David W Schroth <davidschroth@harrietmanor.com> - 2025-02-28 19:43 -0600
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:13 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 10:04 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 18:20 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:26 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-25 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:36 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 03:12 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 19:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-26 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:54 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-03-02 11:42 -0500
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-25 19:16 -0500
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:14 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-27 11:43 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:34 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 09:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 12:39 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:24 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 09:25 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 00:17 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 09:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 13:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 10:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:24 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:19 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 13:15 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 14:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 21:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:28 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-05 01:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-05 18:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-05 02:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-05 10:19 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 22:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-04 02:24 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 09:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 20:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-04 22:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000

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#230473

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
Message-ID<ZFjzP.18960$Sfe6.13368@fx35.iad>
In reply to#230464
On 2025-03-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 00:20:19 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>
>>    There's a huge tome called the "ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook"
>>    (sometimes several small tomes) that cover just EVERYTHING that is or
>>    ever was in comm tech - from iron-filing 'detectors' and mechanical
>>    sine-wave generators on up. Had one, lost it somewhere, very sad.
>>    Vast practical knowledge between those covers.
>
> I think mine is from '92.

I still have my 1965 edition.

>                           You need to start a little simpler though. How 
> about a spark gap generator sending Morse code with a receiver built from 
> a lead pencil and a Gillette Blue Blade? 
>
> Early tech is fun. 

Still, duplicating newer stuff in an older age is not a given.
John W. Campbell, editor of Astounding Science Fiction (later
renamed to Analog) wrote a sobering editorial in 1948 titled
"No Copying Allowed".  In it he describes just how incomprehensible
new tech can be even if transported only a few decades back in time.

https://www.free-culture.ir/Analog_1948_Nov_No_copying_allowed.html

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#230474

From"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
Message-ID<20250309183216.3f8bca22c1c9fab4a42f4662@127.0.0.1>
In reply to#230464
On 9 Mar 2025 07:07:13 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 00:20:19 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
> >    There's a huge tome called the "ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook"
> >    (sometimes several small tomes) that cover just EVERYTHING that is or
> >    ever was in comm tech - from iron-filing 'detectors' and mechanical
> >    sine-wave generators on up. Had one, lost it somewhere, very sad.
> >    Vast practical knowledge between those covers.
> 
> I think mine is from '92. You need to start a little simpler though. How 
> about a spark gap generator sending Morse code with a receiver built from 

IRC this was one of the technologies created from scratch by Jules
Vernes's castaways on The Mysterious Island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Island

> a lead pencil and a Gillette Blue Blade? 
> 
> Early tech is fun. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Rhinebeck_Aerodrome
> 
> The last time I was there was in the '80s. A guy had built a Bleriot;
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_XI
> 
> It uses wing warping rather than ailerons. I asked him how he learned to 
> fly it and he said you keep taxing a little faster and getting a few feet 
> higher off the ground until you decide to go for it. 
> 


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#230476

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
Message-ID<m367kaFgu34U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#230474
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 18:32:16 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> IRC this was one of the technologies created from scratch by Jules
> Vernes's castaways on The Mysterious Island
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Island

I should reread Verne. I was fascinated with his novels as a kid but that 
was a long time ago. I also liked 'Swiss Family Robinson', 'Robinson 
Crusoe' not so much. Defoe's style was a little archaic while 'Swiss 
Family' may have been improved by translation. 

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#230484

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
Message-ID<5oicndevqZZq2lP6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#230476
On 3/9/25 3:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 18:32:16 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> 
>> IRC this was one of the technologies created from scratch by Jules
>> Vernes's castaways on The Mysterious Island
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Island
> 
> I should reread Verne. I was fascinated with his novels as a kid but that
> was a long time ago. I also liked 'Swiss Family Robinson', 'Robinson
> Crusoe' not so much. Defoe's style was a little archaic while 'Swiss
> Family' may have been improved by translation.

   Verne is worth re-reading. He was quite good, esp
   for his time. Kept company with all the top tech
   and industry people of his era - so his 'sci-fi'
   was often closer to 'bleeding-edge'.

   There have been a few good films of Wells stuff
   also - the early 60s "First Men In The Moon",
   the Rod Taylor "Time Machine" and the Gene Barry
   'War Of The Worlds' update. Also been BAD films.
   The odd WOTW with Tom Cruise was weird ... the
   same story, but from a Joe Anybody's on the
   street perspective.

   Home-made spark-gap ... CAN be done. However
   if you wanna TUNE it you'd better have a
   Google-like knowledge of winding inductors
   and the formulas for caps made from little
   scraps of metal and the relevant resonance
   equations. Some DO ... even more 50 years ago.
   I know what NEEDS to be done - but those
   formulas/tables, long gone from the memory bank.

   If about to be lost at sea or cast upon an island,
   always travel with a copy of Glover's "Pocket Ref".
   Everything in there you'd ever need.

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#230492

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
Message-ID<m37d0sFm3r2U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#230484
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:01:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> There have been a few good films of Wells stuff
>    also - the early 60s "First Men In The Moon", the Rod Taylor "Time
>    Machine" and the Gene Barry 'War Of The Worlds' update. Also been BAD
>    films.
>    The odd WOTW with Tom Cruise was weird ... the same story, but from a
>    Joe Anybody's on the street perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Trip_to_the_Moon

The local indie theater uses the rocket in the eye image for their logo.


>    Home-made spark-gap ... CAN be done. However if you wanna TUNE it
>    you'd better have a Google-like knowledge of winding inductors and
>    the formulas for caps made from little scraps of metal and the
>    relevant resonance equations. Some DO ... even more 50 years ago. I
>    know what NEEDS to be done - but those formulas/tables, long gone
>    from the memory bank.

Tune? We doan need no steenking tune. 

https://earlyradiohistory.us/1901true.htm

Marconi and DeForest were involved but everyone was using very dirty 
transmitters and effectively jamming each other. It took a few years 
before it developed beyond pumping a lot of energy into an antenna and 
hoping for the best.


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#230453

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
Message-ID<vqiarl$adue$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#230449
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 00:21:15 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>
>>Relay logic was sort of fun. You were building state machines with relays, 
>>Eagle Signal electro-mechanical timers, limit switches, and so forth. I 
>>never did it but even more fascinating were some of the complex machines 
>>that were all cams, levers, gears, and springs except for the drive 
>>motor. 
>
> I use and repair relay logic even in these digital times:
>
> https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/target-pool

That Target Pool looks a bit like my Jacks Open.

I bought the Jacks Open and realized that as a home game, scoring special
just awarded credits.  Since we were playing at home credits were
meaningless.  The game had no Extra Ball feature.

I figured out what kind of relay I needed, drilled a hole between the
flippers put a light there, and wired in the relay.  I was always struck
at how much like programming the wiring and relays were like.  I still
play the game.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#230459

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
Message-ID<Fdmcne144qXojlD6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#230453
On 3/8/25 3:55 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> 
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 00:21:15 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> Relay logic was sort of fun. You were building state machines with relays,
>>> Eagle Signal electro-mechanical timers, limit switches, and so forth. I
>>> never did it but even more fascinating were some of the complex machines
>>> that were all cams, levers, gears, and springs except for the drive
>>> motor.
>>
>> I use and repair relay logic even in these digital times:
>>
>> https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/target-pool
> 
> That Target Pool looks a bit like my Jacks Open.
> 
> I bought the Jacks Open and realized that as a home game, scoring special
> just awarded credits.  Since we were playing at home credits were
> meaningless.  The game had no Extra Ball feature.
> 
> I figured out what kind of relay I needed, drilled a hole between the
> flippers put a light there, and wired in the relay.  I was always struck
> at how much like programming the wiring and relays were like.  I still
> play the game.


   Contemplate how similar electrics and PLUMBING are  :-)

   Hmmmm ... betcha a 'hydraulic CPU' really could be made ...

   I did find something long back, the equiv of a 'hydraulic
   transformer' - high-pressure/low-volume to low-pressure/
   high volume. Likely the reverse is possible without too
   much complication. An oscillator using an air-chamber,
   the 'capacitor', and proper flow resistance to tune
   resonance freq and .......   :-)

   If I had to explain electrics to someone from the
   Roman empire days, I'd use plumbing analogies.

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#230463

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
Message-ID<m34sdqFau80U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#230459
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:05:11 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Contemplate how similar electrics and PLUMBING are
> 
>    Hmmmm ... betcha a 'hydraulic CPU' really could be made ...
> 
>    I did find something long back, the equiv of a 'hydraulic
>    transformer' - high-pressure/low-volume to low-pressure/ high volume.
>    Likely the reverse is possible without too much complication. An
>    oscillator using an air-chamber,
>    the 'capacitor', and proper flow resistance to tune resonance freq
>    and .......
> 
>    If I had to explain electrics to someone from the Roman empire days,
>    I'd use plumbing analogies.

Maybe more than you think. Many hydraulic pumps were fixed volume, 5 gpm 
or whatever. Hook the output to something like a hydraulic ram and the 
pressure in the system is low, just enough to overcome friction or gravity 
depending on the orientation. Then the ram meets the work and stops 
moving. Pressure builds and the pump will happily blow itself up. Enter 
the pressure relief valve. You can adjust it for 2000 psi or whatever 
clamping force you want, and most of the 5 gpm is diverted back to the 
tank.

Enter the 7805 linear regulator. Same deal. Voltage drop * current or 
Pressure drop * gpm, it all gets converted to waste heat. It's been a long 
time but the equations used to roll off my tongue to calculate the 
horsepower of the electric motor to handle the flow and pressure.

Parker Hannifin came out with a servo controlled pump that was supposed to 
handle the problem. That's when I learned that when a manufacturer ships 
you something where the serial number starts with X, congratulations, 
you're a beta tester. 

All that was hot, dirty, and noisy, and I've been hosed down with 
hydraulic fluid more than once but I loved it. Controlling stuff in the 
real world gave me a satisfaction I never got from dealing with GUIs. I've 
sort of come full circle in my golden years playing with microcontrollers, 
sensors, servos, and the like. 

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#230466

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
Message-ID<-a2cnUPKM_MoyVD6nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#230463
On 3/9/25 1:57 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:05:11 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Contemplate how similar electrics and PLUMBING are
>>
>>     Hmmmm ... betcha a 'hydraulic CPU' really could be made ...
>>
>>     I did find something long back, the equiv of a 'hydraulic
>>     transformer' - high-pressure/low-volume to low-pressure/ high volume.
>>     Likely the reverse is possible without too much complication. An
>>     oscillator using an air-chamber,
>>     the 'capacitor', and proper flow resistance to tune resonance freq
>>     and .......
>>
>>     If I had to explain electrics to someone from the Roman empire days,
>>     I'd use plumbing analogies.
> 
> Maybe more than you think. Many hydraulic pumps were fixed volume, 5 gpm
> or whatever. Hook the output to something like a hydraulic ram and the
> pressure in the system is low, just enough to overcome friction or gravity
> depending on the orientation. Then the ram meets the work and stops
> moving. Pressure builds and the pump will happily blow itself up. Enter
> the pressure relief valve. You can adjust it for 2000 psi or whatever
> clamping force you want, and most of the 5 gpm is diverted back to the
> tank.
> 
> Enter the 7805 linear regulator. Same deal. Voltage drop * current or
> Pressure drop * gpm, it all gets converted to waste heat. It's been a long
> time but the equations used to roll off my tongue to calculate the
> horsepower of the electric motor to handle the flow and pressure.
> 
> Parker Hannifin came out with a servo controlled pump that was supposed to
> handle the problem. That's when I learned that when a manufacturer ships
> you something where the serial number starts with X, congratulations,
> you're a beta tester.
> 
> All that was hot, dirty, and noisy, and I've been hosed down with
> hydraulic fluid more than once but I loved it. Controlling stuff in the
> real world gave me a satisfaction I never got from dealing with GUIs. I've
> sort of come full circle in my golden years playing with microcontrollers,
> sensors, servos, and the like.


   Stuff you can lay hands on, put a wrench to, whack
   with a hammer ... I think that's more in tune with
   human psychology.

   The tech stuff - VERY recent, VERY abstract.

   Was watching a doc about DaVinci today - fascinating
   polymath for sure. Likely IQ-200 by today's measures.

   He was fascinated by many things - which included
   MACHINES. Little but wood/metal back then but he
   designed all sorts of fascinating solutions, or
   attempted solutions. He even made a 'programmable'
   robot of sorts to amuse his patron.

   But I wondered if he'd find modern tech nearly as
   interesting. Isn't "visceral", "intuitive", enough.

   Still thinking about the low->high pressure
   "hydraulic transformer" ........ something
   like a big piston driving a small piston,
   maybe with mechanical leverage involved ....
   but CAN be done. The 'plumbing' analogy
   holds.

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#230475

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
Message-ID<m366qhFgu34U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#230466
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 04:43:37 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Still thinking about the low->high pressure "hydraulic transformer"
>    ........ something like a big piston driving a small piston, maybe
>    with mechanical leverage involved ....
>    but CAN be done. The 'plumbing' analogy holds.

We inadvertently built one of those when a check valve was installed 
backwards. If you think about a double-acting cylinder the side that is 
used to apply force is the full diameter of the cylinder. The other side 
only needs enough area to retract the cylinder, so the rod fills most of 
it with only a small annular area. 

Put the check valve in the retract circuit and try to move the ram by 
pressuring the other side with, say, a 15:1 difference in the areas and 
2000 psi and you develop 30,000 psi, enough to bulge a 12" cylinder. The 
bulge wasn't visible but was enough so the piston wouldn't seal.

Big chunk of scrap. Even worse it came from a British firm and they were 
having one of their dock strikes so the replacement had to be air 
freighted. 

On r/embedded a young intern was worried because he had smoked a sensor on 
a $80 development board and wondered how much trouble he was in. I was 
thinking "Kid, you haven't even started to screw up.".  

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#230481

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
Message-ID<1kadnair7-RkolP6nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#230475
On 3/9/25 3:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 04:43:37 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Still thinking about the low->high pressure "hydraulic transformer"
>>     ........ something like a big piston driving a small piston, maybe
>>     with mechanical leverage involved ....
>>     but CAN be done. The 'plumbing' analogy holds.
> 
> We inadvertently built one of those when a check valve was installed
> backwards. If you think about a double-acting cylinder the side that is
> used to apply force is the full diameter of the cylinder. The other side
> only needs enough area to retract the cylinder, so the rod fills most of
> it with only a small annular area.
> 
> Put the check valve in the retract circuit and try to move the ram by
> pressuring the other side with, say, a 15:1 difference in the areas and
> 2000 psi and you develop 30,000 psi, enough to bulge a 12" cylinder. The
> bulge wasn't visible but was enough so the piston wouldn't seal.
> 
> Big chunk of scrap. Even worse it came from a British firm and they were
> having one of their dock strikes so the replacement had to be air
> freighted.
> 
> On r/embedded a young intern was worried because he had smoked a sensor on
> a $80 development board and wondered how much trouble he was in. I was
> thinking "Kid, you haven't even started to screw up.".

   Heh heh ... yea, the Magic Smoke often fills the
   air during development  :-)

   A "step-down transformer" is dead easy to do with
   fluids - basically you just use pressure to turn
   a valve. High-pressure/low-volume releases low-
   pressure high volume ... 'DC' even.

   But a "step-UP" ... not sure of the best way to do
   that. "Big piston with a small end" will work, but
   to get continuous high pressure it still seems you'd
   need some kind of oscillating action to keep pumping
   that piston. Do-able, but less clean. However there
   may be a trick where you change the VELOCITY of the
   low-pressure stream and tap off the high-speed
   vortex. The Egyptians or Inca probably invented it
   already ......

   Oh geez, TV, they're still digging up Egypt looking
   for Cleopatra. She was an expert on drugs/toxins so
   my guess is that she didn't die of suicide, just
   adequately simulated death. Even easier to just poison
   a body-double servant, let the poison kinda mess-up
   the corpse.  Likely she went into Syria or something
   after the ruse with an assumed name and adequate box
   of coin. They'll find her somewhere near Damascus.

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#230486

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
Message-ID<hAtzP.184208$yJX7.53315@fx48.iad>
In reply to#230475
On 2025-03-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On r/embedded a young intern was worried because he had smoked a sensor on 
> a $80 development board and wondered how much trouble he was in. I was 
> thinking "Kid, you haven't even started to screw up.".  

"Experience is in direct proportion to equipment ruined."

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#230494

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
Message-ID<m37fc9Fm3r2U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#230486
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 04:07:41 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-03-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On r/embedded a young intern was worried because he had smoked a sensor
>> on a $80 development board and wondered how much trouble he was in. I
>> was thinking "Kid, you haven't even started to screw up.".
> 
> "Experience is in direct proportion to equipment ruined."

I'm getting better though. The last thing I smoked was a $6 Pico W. I've 
got to get a better pair of magnifiers.

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#230499

From"Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this>
Date2025-03-10 06:41 -0700
Message-ID<67CEEC23.11311.news.afc@realitycheckbbs.org>
In reply to#230486
  To: Charlie Gibbs
-=> Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc <=-

 CG> "Experience is in direct proportion to equipment ruined."

I remember my entry into IT - programming moves, adds and changes on a
Northern Telecom PBX. I got a 3 hour training session from our service
provider who reminded me that I was a "billable problem".

Luckily, I don't think I ruined any hardware - but may have needed some
help in backing out some software changes...

         kurt weiske | kweiske at realitycheckbbs dot org
                     | http://realitycheckbbs.org
                     | 1:218/700@fidonet


 
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#230506

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
Message-ID<xhFzP.219350$FVcd.34509@fx10.iad>
In reply to#230499
On 2025-03-10, Kurt Weiske <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this>
wrote:

> To: Charlie Gibbs
> -=> Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc <=-
>
>  CG> "Experience is in direct proportion to equipment ruined."
>
> I remember my entry into IT - programming moves, adds and changes on a
> Northern Telecom PBX. I got a 3 hour training session from our service
> provider who reminded me that I was a "billable problem".

I've written software that dials into those beasties and does MACs
automatically based on a file containing scheduled transactions.
The user interface is a bit funky, and I had to write a ton of
exception code so it wouldn't go into a loop or worse if things
went sideways.

> Luckily, I don't think I ruined any hardware - but may have needed some
> help in backing out some software changes...

I got into some functions that needed the PDT login.
I was _very_ careful with that.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#230512

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 21:08 +0000
Message-ID<vqnkbr$1i1s0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#230506
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:26:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-03-10, Kurt Weiske
> <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this>
> wrote:
> 
>> I remember my entry into IT - programming moves, adds and changes on a
>> Northern Telecom PBX. I got a 3 hour training session from our service
>> provider who reminded me that I was a "billable problem".
> 
> I've written software that dials into those beasties and does MACs
> automatically based on a file containing scheduled transactions.
> The user interface is a bit funky, and I had to write a ton of exception
> code so it wouldn't go into a loop or worse if things went sideways.

Are those things still in use much? You have had open-source products like 
Asterisk, Kamailio etc for the past 20-or-so years that can do everything 
they can do, and more.

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#230521

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
Message-ID<P1LzP.309164$SZca.43861@fx13.iad>
In reply to#230512
On 2025-03-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:26:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2025-03-10, Kurt Weiske
>> <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I remember my entry into IT - programming moves, adds and changes on a
>>> Northern Telecom PBX. I got a 3 hour training session from our service
>>> provider who reminded me that I was a "billable problem".
>> 
>> I've written software that dials into those beasties and does MACs
>> automatically based on a file containing scheduled transactions.
>> The user interface is a bit funky, and I had to write a ton of exception
>> code so it wouldn't go into a loop or worse if things went sideways.
>
> Are those things still in use much? You have had open-source products like 
> Asterisk, Kamailio etc for the past 20-or-so years that can do everything 
> they can do, and more.

The Nortel stuff is dying out, but there's still some around.  If you've
invested a lot in a big SL-1 installation, replacing it is going to cost
enough to make you want to think about it first.

Nortel's assets were acquired by Avaya, who treat it as a second product
line ("Avaya Blue") alongside their primary offering ("Avaya Red").

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#230517 — Re: The joy of PBX Programming

FromLars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Date2025-03-10 22:15 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of PBX Programming
Message-ID<slrnvsup47.15vc2.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#230499
On 2025-03-10, Kurt Weiske <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this> wrote:
> I remember my entry into IT - programming moves, adds and changes on a
> Northern Telecom PBX. I got a 3 hour training session from our service
> provider who reminded me that I was a "billable problem".
>
> Luckily, I don't think I ruined any hardware - but may have needed some
> help in backing out some software changes...

PBX programming was always weird. Regardless of manufacturer they seems
to be doing it in a similar style. Done with a deskset, typing in
function codes (usually 3 digits), extension numbers to which they
applied and values for the feature. Somewhere in a pile on the back of my
 desk, I think I still have a die-cut keypad overlay sheet; but I cannot
remember if it is from the NorStar system or the Panasonic KX-T system
that succeeded it.

The Norstar apparently used an ISDN-BRI derivative to talk with the
handsets.

These days, we use Grandstream IP telephones served by CallCentric. We
used to pay $200/month for 3 POTS lines (one for a fax line). These days
we pay about $15/month for as many extensions as we care to use (not
very many for "4 guys in a garage"). The main problem we have with the
cheap system is hackers that trick the phones to dial into "900-service"
type lines in the Balkans. Solved by firewalling: These phones are only
allowed to talk to the "Central Office" in upstate New York.

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#230519 — Re: The joy of PBX Programming

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 23:14 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of PBX Programming
Message-ID<vqnrok$1jibk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#230517
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 22:15:35 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> PBX programming was always weird. Regardless of manufacturer they seems
> to be doing it in a similar style.

Asterisk has their oddball extensions.conf format. They added something 
else called AEL. Then on top of that, they now offer Lua as an option.

> These days, we use Grandstream IP telephones served by CallCentric.

Someone reverse-engineered the proprietary protocol used by those Cisco 
handsets (“SCCP” or “Skinny”, I think it was called), and created open-
source drivers for use with Asterisk.

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#230468

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
Message-ID<vqjqi9$m83o$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#230459
On 09/03/2025 04:05, c186282 wrote:
>    Hmmmm ... betcha a 'hydraulic CPU' really could be made ...
What d'ya think an automatic gearbox is?

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