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The joy of FORTRAN

Started byLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
First post2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
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  The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:11 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 15:28 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-24 18:24 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:13 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 23:06 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:14 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:06 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 08:51 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 17:55 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 19:58 +0200
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2024-09-28 11:35 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:13 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 11:34 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 20:56 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:18 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-bi5-this> - 2024-09-28 08:13 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:26 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:17 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 21:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:00 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:12 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:51 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 02:29 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:03 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-27 04:23 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-24 16:05 -1000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-10-11 14:49 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:58 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 19:29 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:25 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:42 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 17:22 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:23 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 21:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 21:50 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:45 -0600
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:24 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-09-25 11:03 +0800
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:38 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:31 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 10:58 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:06 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 17:01 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:45 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-25 15:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:31 -1000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-26 06:04 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 06:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:47 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 08:21 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-nnv-this> - 2024-09-27 07:40 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:42 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 11:49 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-26 18:01 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-27 10:43 +0100
                              Re: The joy of VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of VAX Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-28 19:05 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of VAX Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                          The joy of VAX C Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
                            Re: The joy of VAX C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
                            Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
                            Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                              Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:30 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:05 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:19 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
              TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
                        Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
                          Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                                        Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
                                        Re: C operator precedence rules Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:54 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
                                          Grace Hopper Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-03 10:35 -0700
                                            Re: Grace Hopper Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:19 +0000
                                              Re: Grace Hopper Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-04 17:17 -0400
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
                                  Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
                                            Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
                                                Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
                                                    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:44 +0000
                                          Re: The Joy Of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:42 +0000
                                            Re: The Joy Of Python Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-24 11:51 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
                                          Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
                                            Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
                                              Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:33 -0400
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 22:09 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-01 23:05 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:39 -0400
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-02 20:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:14 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
                                  7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
                                Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
                                  Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 17:54 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 01:46 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-25 15:40 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 16:59 +0200
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-25 10:45 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:17 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-28 09:33 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:41 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-29 09:19 +0100
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 11:23 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:18 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 16:47 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:10 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-08 19:53 -0600
                          Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 07:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-09 09:27 +0100
                                Re: The joy of Python lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-09 21:42 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 04:39 +0000
                              Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 14:01 +0000
                                Re: The joy of awk p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of awk "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-11 09:25 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of awk John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-11 07:55 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of awk Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-11 17:59 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:48 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 13:21 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of perl cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-10-10 12:49 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 15:24 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 20:27 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 14:14 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-29 01:11 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 05:21 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-24 14:52 +0100
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-24 14:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 19:55 +0300
                                                                                  Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-24 23:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 08:37 +0200
                                                                      Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-25 07:07 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 13:14 +0100
                                                                          Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:58 +0200
                                                                            Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-25 14:02 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
              Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
                  Re: The joy of Ada Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:53 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 00:01 +0100
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 00:05 +0000
                        Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 01:31 +0100
                          The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:37 -0700
                            Re: The joy of Oldtimers drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-29 01:40 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:17 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
                      Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
                  Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                        Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-30 22:04 +0100
                                      OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2024-10-02 07:40 +0000
                                        Re: OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-10-02 09:57 +0100
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:33 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:26 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 13:43 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:03 -0800
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:06 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:22 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:02 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:19 -0800
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:48 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:57 -0800
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:51 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:01 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:37 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 08:03 -0800
                                                            Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 17:44 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:32 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-28 07:30 -0500
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:03 -0500
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2025-03-07 04:42 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-07 13:06 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-03-07 06:46 -1000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-08 03:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 05:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 00:21 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 08:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 20:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 00:20 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 07:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:55 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:40 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:50 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 21:14 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:43 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:03 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:22 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 10:47 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:22 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:36 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:00 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:23 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:16 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-5od-this> - 2025-03-14 07:47 -0700
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-14 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-14 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-10 12:23 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-10 20:47 -0300
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 08:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2025-03-11 09:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:07 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:50 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-13 13:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:44 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:47 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-14 03:13 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:27 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 03:30 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:33 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:24 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-15 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-16 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Segways rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 19:42 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-10 08:51 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:13 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:47 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:04 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:29 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this> - 2025-03-10 06:41 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-10 22:15 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-09 14:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:06 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-10 09:53 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 00:47 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 07:54 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:52 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 23:58 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 16:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:04 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 22:57 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-27 08:09 +0100
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-27 18:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-27 03:39 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-26 00:02 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:35 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:21 -0400
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:57 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:06 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:40 -0400
                                                                                    Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 22:12 -0300
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 17:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-13 18:47 -0300
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:43 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 19:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:00 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:17 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:47 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 07:13 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:49 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:30 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2025-02-26 19:23 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:37 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:43 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:13 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:37 -0800
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                    Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:39 +0000
                                                      Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:42 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:41 -0500
                                                          Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:49 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:23 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:41 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:56 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:22 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 00:56 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 08:00 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 18:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:29 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:39 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 07:26 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:22 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 19:58 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 00:02 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:19 +0000
                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 18:11 +0000
                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:57 +0000
                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 -0700
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-01 01:48 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 14:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-01 21:28 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 15:21 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-03-02 02:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-03 00:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 12:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-04 01:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 14:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-03 01:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 02:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-03 03:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-04 23:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-05 03:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 23:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:43 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-06 20:22 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-06 20:33 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-04 00:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 17:36 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:39 +0000
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:39 -0500
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 21:11 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:42 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-01 00:04 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:44 -0500
                                                                  Razor Blades and Printers Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 22:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: Razor Blades and Printers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:00 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:40 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:36 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:26 -0500
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:34 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 13:41 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 13:59 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:30 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-28 19:56 +0100
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 22:16 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:44 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:23 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:26 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 00:20 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:28 +0000
                                                  CISC did not die in 1990 (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 16:59 -1000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:24 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 17:48 -1000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 04:18 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-27 21:11 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-28 13:08 -1000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-01 18:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 03:31 +0000
                                                                      Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:44 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:58 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                  Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:44 +0000
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:47 +0000
                                                      Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:19 -0500
                                                        Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:33 -0500
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-28 01:02 +0000
                                                            Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:05 +0000
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:15 -0500
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                    Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-27 19:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) David W Schroth <davidschroth@harrietmanor.com> - 2025-02-28 19:43 -0600
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:13 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 10:04 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 18:20 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:26 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-25 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:36 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 03:12 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 19:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-26 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:54 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-03-02 11:42 -0500
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-25 19:16 -0500
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:14 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-27 11:43 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:34 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 09:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 12:39 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:24 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 09:25 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 00:17 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 09:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 13:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 10:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:24 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:19 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 13:15 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 14:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 21:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:28 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-05 01:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-05 18:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-05 02:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-05 10:19 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 22:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-04 02:24 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 09:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 20:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-04 22:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000

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#227051

Frommoi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
Message-ID<llm5jeFu3k1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#227033
On 26/09/2024 04:16, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>    Oh, one lang I can't stomach - ADA. 

So much the worse for you.

-- 
Bill F.

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#227063

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Message-ID<558242156.749090002.260453.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#227018
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-09-25, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> 
>> COBOL ... well ... would rather NOT use it.
>> The whole "self documenting" idea turned out
>> to be crap - COBOL is *hard* to understand
>> sometimes.
> 
> Yes, the dream of a language that a manager could read
> was rather naive.  As Robert L. Glass (under the pseudonym
> Miles Benson) once wrote in his column in Computerworld:
> "His programs were so readable that he once had one
> published in the _Saturday Evening Post_."
> 
> But it left a lot of room for humour, e.g. "The Common
> Business-Oriented Goldilocks", which tells the story
> in COBOL.
> 
> I joined a PPOE at the same time as a new department head
> who was quite a character.  Our inside sales manager,
> Al Tannock, popped in and said to him: "Say something
> in COBOL."  Instantly our guy shot back:
> 
>     EXAMINE ROOM REPLACING ALL TANNOCKS WITH SPACES.
> 

I’d love to get Glass’ books, but they seem to be unobtanium.

-- 
Pete

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#227096

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<89CJO.19677$MoU3.17764@fx36.iad>
In reply to#227063
On 2024-09-27, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I’d love to get Glass’ books, but they seem to be unobtanium.

That's why I closely guard my copy of "The Universal Elixir
(and other projects which failed)".  Somewhere in my junk box
I think I have a photocopies of some of his articles too.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  effective.  -- Kurt Vonnegut

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#227057

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Message-ID<971448126.749088380.092448.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#226980
186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 9/24/24 8:26 AM, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 23/09/2024 23:45, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>    Hey, want "Real Computing" ? Try FORTRAN
>>>    or COBOL. THOSE were the foundation and
>>>    persist to this day. Wrote a FORTRAN app
>>>    just a couple of years ago - mostly to vex
>>>    the New Guys. Also a short COBOL app, that
>>>    oughtta REALLY give 'em the shits !  :-)
>> 
>> Back in 1985, I changed jobs from a University computer center, where we 
>> did our technical documentation using Univac's @DOC processor, to a 
>> small industrial computer system integration firm, where we built 
>> real-time systems on RSX-11M. I missed the @DOC so much that I wrote a 
>> re-implementation in FORTRAN IV. Used it for years afterwards, until I 
>> landed at a larger house doing communications work on Unix, and switched 
>> to /troff/.
> 
> 
>   Hey, FORTRAN *will* Get It Done as neatly as most
>   anything else. If you need many decades worth of
>   exotic math libs, you'll find them in FORTRAN too.
>   It is NOT an obsolete language/approach.
> 
>   For the younger people, note that Python carries
>   over a lot of FORTRAN ideas, including easy
>   string-slicing.
> 
>   If you can do BASIC then you can do FORTRAN, but
>   does anybody use BASIC anymore ? Intel/IBM did
>   sell BASCOM ... a BASIC compiler ... and it DID
>   speed up yer code like by 10X :-)
> 
>   COBOL ... well ... would rather NOT use it.
>   The whole "self documenting" idea turned out
>   to be crap - COBOL is *hard* to understand
>   sometimes. That's why COBOL programmers can
>   get really high-pay jobs these days, because
>   so much of that irreplacable biz software
>   from the 60s was writ in COBOL. Nobody can
>   AFFORD to re-write it. It worked, it works,
>   it was writ by REALLY GOOD narrow-tie Dilberts,
>   so you just have to MAINTAIN it like forever.
> 

For a long time, FORTRAN was the only remotely portable language, so lots
of programs were written in it.

-- 
Pete

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#227067

Fromgeodandw <geodandw@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
Message-ID<vd5195$edas$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227057
On 9/26/24 20:52, Peter Flass wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> On 9/24/24 8:26 AM, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 23/09/2024 23:45, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>     Hey, want "Real Computing" ? Try FORTRAN
>>>>     or COBOL. THOSE were the foundation and
>>>>     persist to this day. Wrote a FORTRAN app
>>>>     just a couple of years ago - mostly to vex
>>>>     the New Guys. Also a short COBOL app, that
>>>>     oughtta REALLY give 'em the shits !  :-)
>>>
>>> Back in 1985, I changed jobs from a University computer center, where we
>>> did our technical documentation using Univac's @DOC processor, to a
>>> small industrial computer system integration firm, where we built
>>> real-time systems on RSX-11M. I missed the @DOC so much that I wrote a
>>> re-implementation in FORTRAN IV. Used it for years afterwards, until I
>>> landed at a larger house doing communications work on Unix, and switched
>>> to /troff/.
>>
>>
>>    Hey, FORTRAN *will* Get It Done as neatly as most
>>    anything else. If you need many decades worth of
>>    exotic math libs, you'll find them in FORTRAN too.
>>    It is NOT an obsolete language/approach.
>>
>>    For the younger people, note that Python carries
>>    over a lot of FORTRAN ideas, including easy
>>    string-slicing.
>>
>>    If you can do BASIC then you can do FORTRAN, but
>>    does anybody use BASIC anymore ? Intel/IBM did
>>    sell BASCOM ... a BASIC compiler ... and it DID
>>    speed up yer code like by 10X :-)
>>
>>    COBOL ... well ... would rather NOT use it.
>>    The whole "self documenting" idea turned out
>>    to be crap - COBOL is *hard* to understand
>>    sometimes. That's why COBOL programmers can
>>    get really high-pay jobs these days, because
>>    so much of that irreplacable biz software
>>    from the 60s was writ in COBOL. Nobody can
>>    AFFORD to re-write it. It worked, it works,
>>    it was writ by REALLY GOOD narrow-tie Dilberts,
>>    so you just have to MAINTAIN it like forever.
>>
> 
> For a long time, FORTRAN was the only remotely portable language, so lots
> of programs were written in it.
> 
Cobol was also very portable.

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#227093

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<59CJO.19674$MoU3.15170@fx36.iad>
In reply to#227067
On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cobol was also very portable.

As long as your destination compiler supports COMP-3.  :-)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
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#227102

Fromgeodandw <geodandw@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
Message-ID<vd6vto$r0so$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227093
On 9/27/24 13:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cobol was also very portable.
> 
> As long as your destination compiler supports COMP-3.  :-)
> 
Or your source computer didn't have COMP-3, or if you didn't use it.

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#227107

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
Message-ID<iJEJO.198176$kxD8.81657@fx11.iad>
In reply to#227102
On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/27/24 13:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cobol was also very portable.
>> 
>> As long as your destination compiler supports COMP-3.  :-)
> 
> Or your source computer didn't have COMP-3, or if you didn't use it.

I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3.
Changing them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  effective.  -- Kurt Vonnegut

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#227119

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
Message-ID<vd7fv1$tdq8$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227107
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:38:38 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
> The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3.
> Changing them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.

Did you just change

   DEFINE TYPE COMP AS COMP-3

to

   DEFINE TYPE COMP as COMP-4

and that would take effect everywhere that COMP was used?

Oh, wait, COBOL didn’t have typedefs ...

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#227182

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
Message-ID<CF4KO.179531$1m96.73864@fx15.iad>
In reply to#227119
On 2024-09-27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:38:38 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
>> The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3.
>> Changing them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.
>
> Did you just change
>
>    DEFINE TYPE COMP AS COMP-3
>
> to
>
>    DEFINE TYPE COMP as COMP-4
>
> and that would take effect everywhere that COMP was used?
>
> Oh, wait, COBOL didn’t have typedefs ...

I suppose I could have done the equivalent of s/COMP-3/COMP-4/
in the text editor of the day, but that would have also changed
the fields that were not only legitimately COMP-3, but which
could not have been held in a COMP-4 variable.

Sometimes you just gotta Do the Right Thing, no matter
how long it takes.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
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#227188

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
Message-ID<vdap03$1kp35$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227182
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 04:26:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-09-27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:38:38 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
>>> The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3. Changing
>>> them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.
>>
>> Did you just change
>>
>>    DEFINE TYPE COMP AS COMP-3
>>
>> to
>>
>>    DEFINE TYPE COMP as COMP-4
>>
>> and that would take effect everywhere that COMP was used?
>>
>> Oh, wait, COBOL didn’t have typedefs ...
> 
> I suppose I could have done the equivalent of s/COMP-3/COMP-4/ in the
> text editor of the day, but that would have also changed the fields that
> were not only legitimately COMP-3, but which could not have been held in
> a COMP-4 variable.
> 
> Sometimes you just gotta Do the Right Thing, no matter how long it
> takes.

Helps if you are charging by the hour. ;)

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#227129

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
Message-ID<3hOdnWpQ649QMGr7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#227107
On 9/27/24 4:38 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/27/24 13:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cobol was also very portable.
>>>
>>> As long as your destination compiler supports COMP-3.  :-)
>>
>> Or your source computer didn't have COMP-3, or if you didn't use it.
> 
> I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
> The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3.
> Changing them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.

   Did COBOL even HAVE real "types" ???

   It was not really a "sophisticated" language.
   It was MEANT mostly for biz/commercial apps,
   esp financial and scheduling. It was GOOD at
   that - except for being TOO ugly/confusing in
   the chase to be "simple/self-documenting".

   I don't hate COBOL - it HAD/HAS its place.
   However the real-world implementation could
   never live-up to "The Vision".

   COBOL could/can be "improved" - made more
   efficient. But NOBODY is gonna DO that
   these days. As such COBOL kinda becomes
   like 'Latin' - an unchanging 'dead' lang.
   This MAY be a good thing.

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#227131

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
Message-ID<vd8doi$15q07$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227129
On 28/09/2024 08:18, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 9/27/24 4:38 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/27/24 13:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-09-27, geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cobol was also very portable.
>>>>
>>>> As long as your destination compiler supports COMP-3.  :-)
>>>
>>> Or your source computer didn't have COMP-3, or if you didn't use it.
>>
>> I was once called in to optimize a CPU-bound COBOL program.
>> The genius who wrote it declared all subscripts as COMP-3.
>> Changing them to COMP-4 knocked 30% off the execution time.
> 
>    Did COBOL even HAVE real "types" ???
> 
>    It was not really a "sophisticated" language.
>    It was MEANT mostly for biz/commercial apps,
>    esp financial and scheduling. It was GOOD at
>    that - except for being TOO ugly/confusing in
>    the chase to be "simple/self-documenting".
> 
>    I don't hate COBOL - it HAD/HAS its place.
>    However the real-world implementation could
>    never live-up to "The Vision".
> 
>    COBOL could/can be "improved" - made more
>    efficient. But NOBODY is gonna DO that
>    these days. As such COBOL kinda becomes
>    like 'Latin' - an unchanging 'dead' lang.
>    This MAY be a good thing.
> 
COBOL was massively good at what it did, and what it still does.

Batch processing  *enormous* quantities of data with a few small routines.

It was designed for and on machines with very small memories, initially 
core store, but very large data sets stored on hard drives or tapes, and 
is massively efficient at utilising that. 64k of RAM and a z80 was a 
luxury for COBOL

Its ideas about data organisation led to the relational database.  And 
thence SQL and friends

A subject about which most people here know very little.

Analysing businesses and writing code to streamline their operations is 
a different art  to network programming. *All* the hard work is in the 
analysis and initial data definitions and structures.

Back in the day the lowliest part of that process was the 'coder' who 
simply turned the specs into clean COBOL ....:-)



-- 
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all 
private property.

Karl Marx

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#227133

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
Message-ID<vd8eg7$15v1j$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227131
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:12:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> COBOL was massively good at what it did, and what it still does.

Too short-sighted in its design: in its focus on what passed for 
“business” needs in the early 1960s, it struggled to keep up with the 
growing popularity of relational databases in the 1970s and 1980s. To 
construct SQL queries, you really needed good dynamic string handling, and 
COBOL explicitly eschewed all that. So SQL handling was always some kind 
of bag on the side, rather than properly integrated into the language.

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#227185

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
Message-ID<cxicnVzg_cn_eGX7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#227133
On 9/28/24 4:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:12:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> COBOL was massively good at what it did, and what it still does.
> 
> Too short-sighted in its design: in its focus on what passed for
> “business” needs in the early 1960s, it struggled to keep up with the
> growing popularity of relational databases in the 1970s and 1980s. To
> construct SQL queries, you really needed good dynamic string handling, and
> COBOL explicitly eschewed all that. So SQL handling was always some kind
> of bag on the side, rather than properly integrated into the language.

   Ummmm ... I'd tend to say WELL-FOCUSED on its INTENDED
   uses - at least as best they understood them in the
   late 60s. "Net" - few even DREAMED.

   And COBOL is STILL with us, just under the skin. Lots
   of those 60s pgms writ by narrow-tie horn-rim-glasses
   Dilberts STILL doing their thing. NOT dead at all.
   I looked over the shoulder of my bank person while
   they were fixing-up some shit recently - LOOK & FEEL
   of a COBOL pgm, very "terminal", very biz focused.

   And now few can AFFORD/DARE to re-write What Just
   Works ... so COBOL will be around for another couple
   of decades fer sure until/if "AI" gets REALLY good.

   There's REALLY GOOD MONEY in maintaining/tweaking
   existing COBOL apps BTW. I know a guy, kinda MADE
   his retirement nest-egg that way ......

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#227189

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
Message-ID<vdapbn$1kp35$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227185
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 01:28:01 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> And COBOL is STILL with us, just under the skin. Lots of those 60s
> pgms writ by narrow-tie horn-rim-glasses Dilberts STILL doing their
> thing.

They are disappearing, one way or the other. Companies that are still 
insisting on sticking to that legacy code gradually going out of business 
or being acquired, and having that technical-debt-ridden stuff superseded 
by more modern stuff from the parent company ...

Do you think PayPal, Ebay or TradeMe use COBOL code to manage their 
financial transactions? Of course not.

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#227218

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
Message-ID<lltpunF4fseU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#227189
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 05:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 01:28:01 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> And COBOL is STILL with us, just under the skin. Lots of those 60s pgms
>> writ by narrow-tie horn-rim-glasses Dilberts STILL doing their thing.
> 
> They are disappearing, one way or the other. Companies that are still
> insisting on sticking to that legacy code gradually going out of
> business or being acquired, and having that technical-debt-ridden stuff
> superseded by more modern stuff from the parent company ...
> 
> Do you think PayPal, Ebay or TradeMe use COBOL code to manage their
> financial transactions? Of course not.

How many government agencies, financial institution and so forth do you 
think DON NOT have reams of legacy COBOL? 

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#227227

FromHarold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain>
Date2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
Message-ID<slrnvfjjvh.vgo.wookie@aspen.localdomain>
In reply to#227218
In <lltpunF4fseU2@mid.individual.net> rbowman:

[Snip...]

> How many government agencies, financial institution and so forth do you 
> think DON NOT have reams of legacy COBOL? 

... and plan to keep it supported indefinitely ...

<Quote>
COBOL code base in production hits 800+ billion lines
...
Quelle surprise, arguably, 92% of respondents said that their organisations'
COBOL applications are "strategic with future IT strategy" -- COBOL continues
to power some mighty critical applications across banking, the public sector,
airlines, insurance and beyond. Application portfolio alignment with new
technology was listed by the survey's respondents as a key drivers for ongoing
COBOL modernisation. Nearly half said they expect the amount of COBOL in use
to grow over the next 12 months as part of these efforts.
</Quote>
https://www.thestack.technology/cobol-in-daily-use/

<Quote>
The following information is  a snapshot of COBOL in use today...
90%
Of Fortune 500 business systems today are supported by COBOL
65%
Of active code used today is COBOL
800 billion
Lines of COBOL code are still in use today
</Quote>
https://cobolcowboys.com/cobol-today/

-- 
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Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots.
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#227234

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
Message-ID<vdcnra$1tmdr$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227218
On 29 Sep 2024 20:00:23 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 05:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 01:28:01 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> 
>>> And COBOL is STILL with us, just under the skin. Lots of those 60s
>>> pgms writ by narrow-tie horn-rim-glasses Dilberts STILL doing their
>>> thing.
>> 
>> They are disappearing, one way or the other. Companies that are still
>> insisting on sticking to that legacy code gradually going out of
>> business or being acquired, and having that technical-debt-ridden stuff
>> superseded by more modern stuff from the parent company ...
>> 
>> Do you think PayPal, Ebay or TradeMe use COBOL code to manage their
>> financial transactions? Of course not.
> 
> How many government agencies, financial institution and so forth do you
> think DON NOT have reams of legacy COBOL?

Government? Again, diminishing. Because, you know, politicians keep 
wanting to know why so many tax dollars are going into the increasing 
costs of maintaining “legacy” systems.

Financial institutions? See above.

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#227239

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
Message-ID<1smdnSjX3YoxgWf7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#227218
On 9/29/24 4:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 05:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 01:28:01 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> And COBOL is STILL with us, just under the skin. Lots of those 60s pgms
>>> writ by narrow-tie horn-rim-glasses Dilberts STILL doing their thing.
>>
>> They are disappearing, one way or the other. Companies that are still
>> insisting on sticking to that legacy code gradually going out of
>> business or being acquired, and having that technical-debt-ridden stuff
>> superseded by more modern stuff from the parent company ...
>>
>> Do you think PayPal, Ebay or TradeMe use COBOL code to manage their
>> financial transactions? Of course not.
> 
> How many government agencies, financial institution and so forth do you
> think DON NOT have reams of legacy COBOL?

   I've agreed with him though that like so many old
   languages COBOL *will* eventually fade away. What
   replaces it may or may not be "better" but there
   just aren't many people willing/able to do COBOL
   anymore, so ....

   There's always a psychology in the computer world
   that immediately embraces the "Newest/Greatest Thing"
   whether it's actually good/improved or not. Shit, I
   remember when 'C' was in that category ... that one
   DID hang on  :-)

   There's a parallel thread here started by someone
   who hates "Rust". It too is one of those "newest/
   greatest things" so all the kiddies immediately
   jumped on it. IMHO it looks like yet another
   pointless re-do of 'C', so use 'C', but that's
   not how the newbies see it.

   But the EXPENSE of translating/replacing all that
   good old COBOL - that's a factor these days. The
   USA/west had gobs of cash in the 60s ... but NOT
   so much now.

   Oh, I gave him a wiki of computer langs, 99% of
   which were flash-in-the-pan. I did note that it
   FAILED to include BRAINFUCK - what a hideous
   oversight !!!  :-)

   Due to their audience, SOME langs are gonna hang on
   for a LONG time still. FORTRAN is one of those.

   Oh, the recent serious crap/attacks with M$ and
   cloud apps probably do NOT encourage biz/govt to
   be in such a hurry to replace their old in-house
   COBOL. It WORKS.  :-)

   A month or so ago I posted a news story that says
   the US IRS is STILL using 1960s hardware/software
   for a lot of its daily operations. Dunno WHO
   maintains the hardware - they must get HUGE money.

   . . .

   "It is Cyrillic alphabet, like all the buttons
    you never push on a calculator !"

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